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Post by rubbertoe on Mar 25, 2010 13:59:58 GMT -8
I have been posting the Red and Gold line ridership charts in threads on those forums. Someone suggested that I also post the Green and Blue line charts too, so here we go. As of February 2010.
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Post by kenalpern on Mar 26, 2010 4:22:34 GMT -8
Not bad for a failure of a line that doesn't really go anywhere.
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Post by jeisenbe on Mar 26, 2010 10:19:04 GMT -8
The seasonal variation makes this hard to see, but Feb 2010 ridership is the highest every for that month of the year. If the economy and gas prices recover this summer, perhaps we will see near-record ridership again.
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 26, 2010 18:32:13 GMT -8
Although he now works fairly close to home, my nephew used to work near LAX. He would drive to the east terminal of the Green Line, ride to his stop and walk a few blocks to his workplace. He was the first family member to ride an electric railway on a regular basis since his dad and I rode the PE as children.
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Post by redwings105th on Apr 2, 2010 20:29:46 GMT -8
Will the ridership stats for the Green Line as well as the Blue Line's stats be updated monthly? This line really doesn't do to bad, just that it hardly has any major point of interest along the line other than just connecting to other bus lines. If only had major point of inetersts like most Metro Rail lines have, maybe this line could've gotten a bigger ridership.
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Post by kenalpern on Apr 2, 2010 22:52:05 GMT -8
...and with the Crenshaw Line, with a connection to Century/Aviation and LAX, as well as a link up Crenshaw Blvd. to at least the Expo Line, who knows just how HUGE it'll be at that point.
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 2, 2010 23:02:17 GMT -8
I'd like to see where the people get on and off this train. From what I've seen, I'd guess 85% are traveling to either Aviation, Imperial/Wilmington, or Harbor/105, to transfer to a north/south line.
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Post by wad on Apr 3, 2010 4:40:03 GMT -8
This line really doesn't do to bad, just that it hardly has any major point of interest along the line other than just connecting to other bus lines. If only had major point of inetersts like most Metro Rail lines have, maybe this line could've gotten a bigger ridership. Blame the highway engineers. The only reason the Green Line exists was to get the 105 Freeway built. Two missed opportunities for stops are at Western Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard. Western has Southwest College; Atlantic is an important north-south bus connection (it has a Rapid line).
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 3, 2010 8:22:00 GMT -8
Will the ridership stats for the Green Line as well as the Blue Line's stats be updated monthly? Yes, I will update them all monthly from now on. If you want a copy of the spreadsheet send me a PM and I will send it to you. It's in Excel 2007 format.
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Post by kenalpern on Apr 3, 2010 19:09:39 GMT -8
This line really doesn't do to bad, just that it hardly has any major point of interest along the line other than just connecting to other bus lines. If only had major point of inetersts like most Metro Rail lines have, maybe this line could've gotten a bigger ridership. Blame the highway engineers. The only reason the Green Line exists was to get the 105 Freeway built. Two missed opportunities for stops are at Western Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard. Western has Southwest College; Atlantic is an important north-south bus connection (it has a Rapid line). This is indeed the truth, but as fate would have it, this line--done so early and done so imperfectly compared to how it should have done, provided the concept of a countywide rail network decades before it otherwise would be done by Metro.
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 14, 2010 12:13:57 GMT -8
Well, March has brought us a nice 2,200 uptick in the Green Line ridership. The YOY increase isn't that great at only 323. We are trending higher going into the summer as is usually the case.
img]http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/GreenLine03-10.jpg[/img]
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Post by redwings105th on Apr 14, 2010 14:54:10 GMT -8
Its seems that as long as the gas prices goes up the ridership goes up as well. Glad to see its doing good again.
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 15, 2010 9:30:41 GMT -8
Does Metro have ridership numbers by station? I would love to see those. I wonder if those are available, say, in the Metro library.
Especially with all the new lines being planned - it would be great to know if, for example, 2000 daily boardings is good or bad for a light-rail station.
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 15, 2010 9:44:27 GMT -8
Here are the boardings per station, for each line, for March 2010:
Red+Purple Lines: 9,218 Blue Line: 3,537 Green Line: 2,675 Gold Line: 1,453
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Post by redwings105th on Apr 15, 2010 9:56:48 GMT -8
I think its possible but it woud probably be pointless at the monent as there's still fare evaders and the turnstiles they've installed at the stations (especially at the light rail stations) are pretty useless at the moment as people just ignore those things and go straight to the platforms. Unless they fix that and put barriers (and a few more of those turnstiles), it'll prevent fare evaders and that'll help keep track of ridership per station.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 15, 2010 18:18:21 GMT -8
Does Metro have ridership numbers by station? I would love to see those. I wonder if those are available, say, in the Metro library. Especially with all the new lines being planned - it would be great to know if, for example, 2000 daily boardings is good or bad for a light-rail station. The boarding numbers per station are here.
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Post by rubbertoe on May 19, 2010 13:06:09 GMT -8
April numbers now released. Green Line is up 1,639 YOY but down slightly MOM.
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Post by rubbertoe on Aug 18, 2010 6:41:18 GMT -8
Green Line down 4,000 from June, but YOY is unchanged.
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Post by jeisenbe on Aug 18, 2010 23:28:41 GMT -8
Rubbertoe,
Thank you for doing this every month!
Would you consider doing a graph of bus ridership and Orange Line ridership (if it's available. I don't think the Silver line buses are separately accounted for, or I would ask for that to) as well, for comparison to the rail lines? You don't have to update that one every month.
I'm betting that bus ridership dropped more than rail ridership, since most bus trips are shorter, and some people may be walking / biking instead, due to higher fares
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Post by wad on Aug 20, 2010 3:53:48 GMT -8
I'm betting that bus ridership dropped more than rail ridership, since most bus trips are shorter, and some people may be walking / biking instead, due to higher fares I would find it more useful for the ridership of individual bus lines rather than the collective number Metro gives. I've seen individual line figures on the MTAGossip Scribd site, but those are from 2008.
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Post by rubbertoe on Aug 20, 2010 9:52:01 GMT -8
Rubbertoe, Thank you for doing this every month! Would you consider doing a graph of bus ridership and Orange Line ridership (if it's available. I don't think the Silver line buses are separately accounted for, or I would ask for that to) as well, for comparison to the rail lines? You don't have to update that one every month. I'm betting that bus ridership dropped more than rail ridership, since most bus trips are shorter, and some people may be walking / biking instead, due to higher fares I do have the Orange Line ridership, not the bus though. I'll start up a thread before the next numbers come out with the Orange Line ridership. I don't have those in a chart yet, that will take a bit of work. September 2008 was the peak at 27,987. The current number is 21,902 with the average being quite stable in the 20,000 to 23,000 range the last couple years. RT
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Post by jeisenbe on Aug 21, 2010 13:22:22 GMT -8
I do have the Orange Line ridership, not the bus though. I'll start up a thread before the next numbers come out with the Orange Line ridership. I don't have those in a chart yet, that will take a bit of work. September 2008 was the peak at 27,987. The current number is 21,902 with the average being quite stable in the 20,000 to 23,000 range the last couple years. RT Thanks. I think the visual comparison is helpful. Perhaps we could even have them all charted on one graph? That might be easier for you to update. I agree with Wad that it would be nice to see a few of the highest-ridership bus routes. For example, we could compare ridership on the Wilshire buses (20, 720, 920) with the Purple line, and the Vermont buses with the Red line. Even the Blue Line could be compared to the buses on Central, Atlantic and Long Beach Blvd. Does Metro actually provide monthly figures for any bus lines, or would we have to request that they release them? They must have data... right? It would be even better if you could compare one segment, like Wilshire from Vermont to Hope, or Vermont from Hollywood to Wilshire, so you could make direct comparisons. But Metro may not even have a way to record that data, at least until TAP is fully implemented. One of the enormous benefits of TAP for transit planning would be to see where people get on each bus, if combined with GPS data. If we go to a POP system and require everyone to TAP when getting off the last vehicle on the trip, you could have even better data (and we could charge by the mile, which would lower fares on shorter trips)
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Post by rubbertoe on Oct 15, 2010 7:49:58 GMT -8
Here is the September graph since I missed the August one. I do have a combined graph that shows all 4, but the problem with that one is that the Red Line is so large that it makes all the other lines so low that changes in ridership are hard to see. And also, you can really only fit about 2 years of data on, since there are so many more columns. Maybe I'll experiment with having just a "light rail" ridership that I update every month, that shows all 3 lines. And then just post the individual lines on a quarterly basis.
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Post by jamesinclair on Oct 16, 2010 14:07:47 GMT -8
Is it possible to get an update on the orange line as well?
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Post by rubbertoe on Oct 18, 2010 6:50:51 GMT -8
Is it possible to get an update on the orange line as well? Done. I'll post/update that quarterly now along with all the other rail lines. And monthly I will update just the light rail lines in a new thread. RT
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Post by jamesinclair on Oct 18, 2010 13:40:11 GMT -8
Is it possible to get an update on the orange line as well? Done. I'll post/update that quarterly now along with all the other rail lines. And monthly I will update just the light rail lines in a new thread. RT Works for me, thanks!
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Post by rubbertoe on Jan 25, 2011 8:31:21 GMT -8
End of December 2010 numbers:
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 13, 2011 7:55:12 GMT -8
March 2011 numbers: 38,359 This is the first year that the December lows didn't drop below the 35,000 level. December is always the low point, and the low point seems to be gradually increasing over time. This is probably a better gauge of hard core ridership over time than the peaks. Since the peaks sort of represent the additional riders attracted by external factors (seasons, gas, etc), while the December low ridership represents the people who ride no matter what the other factors are.
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Post by jeisenbe on Apr 13, 2011 15:44:19 GMT -8
I'm surprised we didn't see another jump this month, considering the increase in gas prices and the fairly good weather, compared to earlier in the winter. Maybe next month?
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Post by rubbertoe on Jul 13, 2011 16:52:04 GMT -8
June 2011 numbers: 42,380 5 of the last 6 months are over 40,000. This has happened before, but never from January through June...
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