Nippon Sharyo Cars « Thread Started on Apr 26, 2008, 10:39pm »
Heres some sad news, Metro is now planning on retiring their Nippon Sharyo cars 100-148, and replacing them with Siemens P2020 cars, i wonder where they will go?
Where did you hear that? If that's true they would be replacing them with cars that wouldn't be able to transfer to the Expo and Gold lines without a trip to the shop. The whole idea behind the Breda cars was to get cars that could run on all of the lines. This would be very problematic in the near term and even worse when the Regional Connector opens. It's a little hard to believe. Do you have a link?
I dunno. It was something that came up on the old forum a few times. Here's one link.
Quote:
Even though the lines all employ the same gauge, each has unique power systems and other controls, said Dave Kubicek, MTA's deputy executive officer of rail operations. That meant moving a Blue Line car to the Green Line posed major headaches. "It's very exhaustive [and] expensive to reconfigure one car to the next," Kubicek said.
I assume that the blue line is the one that's different and all of the ones since then are the same.
« Last Edit: Apr 27, 2008, 4:55pm by bluelineshawn »
Where did you hear that? If that's true they would be replacing them with cars that wouldn't be able to transfer to the Expo and Gold lines without a trip to the shop. The whole idea behind the Breda cars was to get cars that could run on all of the lines. This would be very problematic in the near term and even worse when the Regional Connector opens. It's a little hard to believe. Do you have a link?
It came from wikipedia, it says LACMTA is planning on retiring all of the P850 cars, and replacing them with P2020's, it could be the same ones that were tested on the blue line. I hope its not true myself, because I would truely miss the Nippon Sharyo's but if it does happen I hope they end up in a museum, hopefully in Perris, CA.
I think that you misunderstood. The P2020's that were originally on the green line were transferred to the blue line several years ago when the green line got the P2000's. The blue line was supposed to be getting the P2550's from the first option, but someone here said that Metro never exercised the option. The P2550's are the new Breda cars that have been testing on the gold line and very occasionally on the blue line. See this thread. If they haven't exercised the option I don't know what's ahead for the blue line.
Lastly wiki was wrong. The blue line cars are P865's not P850's. I edited that back yesterday.
I dunno. It was something that came up on the old forum a few times. Here's one link.
Quote:
Even though the lines all employ the same gauge, each has unique power systems and other controls, said Dave Kubicek, MTA's deputy executive officer of rail operations. That meant moving a Blue Line car to the Green Line posed major headaches. "It's very exhaustive [and] expensive to reconfigure one car to the next," Kubicek said.
I assume that the blue line is the one that's different and all of the ones since then are the same.
it seems like an incredible blunder to have different lines run on different power systems. after all, the Expo line will share track with the Blue Line and when the regional connector is built, there will be a direct link between the Blue and Gold Lines. then, there is the possibility that the Crenshaw Line will connect the Expo and Green Lines.... well, you get the point. the Pacific Electric didn't have trolleys that could only run on the Long Beach line or on the Orange County routes @_@
ah well, godspeed to the Nippon Sharyo trains, and surely there's a rail system somewhere that would want them, even if the MTA doesn't?
So it's the original Nippon Sharyo from the 1989 delivery that are being retired, not the 1994 delivery originally for the Green Line right? If so, then we'll still have relatively the same cars around, just not the originals, which I'm guessing are the ones with the city plaques on them. It won't be long before whatever replaces the old cars to get a lot of scratchitti and graffiti. I'm a daily user of the 233 and 761, but haven't been on the 754 that much, but when I did, it was a mess inside those supposedly new buses.
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Re: Nippon Sharyo Cars « Reply #8 on Feb 25, 2009, 2:51am »
The Nippon Sharyos will live on. If you haven't seen the agenda and handout from the most recent MTA Operations Comittee meeting you should check it out. All of the Nippon Sharyos (both P850 and P2020) are going to be refurbished as part of a contract for 100 new cars (the Breda option for 100 P2550s that was never exercised due to the issues had with them). The contract would include both the refurbishment of the 67 Nippon Sharyos and the 100 new cars (to be dubbed the P3000) and would go to one bidder. Were still receiving the order of 50 P2550s from Breda, but apparently they weren't up to snuff for the operations people. Also, its important to note that the overhaul and new car orders are both going through (instead of either or) because of the Measure R projects on the horizon and predicted ridership
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Re: Nippon Sharyo Cars « Reply #9 on Aug 16, 2009, 7:19pm »
After almost a 2 year absence a Breda lrv is back in the blue line yard. Not sure if it's there for testing, crew familiarization, or heavy maintenance, but it's parked where they used to park the Breda's near the blue line tracks. It's No. 731.
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