Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #26 on Jun 5, 2012, 10:55am »
If anything, this will be like a tame riot. Kings fans are nothing like Lakers fan.
Downtown News did a survey with all the restaurants/bars in downtown and they confirmed that Kings fans are more polite and better tipping. They said Laker fans were the worst; people who could cause damage.
As an added bonus...it said Kings fans were the most likely sports fan base in LA to public transit than Dodgers, Lakers or Clippers fans.
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Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #27 on Jun 5, 2012, 12:32pm »
Now that the Expo Line is opening to Culver City on June 20 with Farmdale, we will see the boost in ridership continue to push further north in bigger gains I believe with the added bus connectivity and additional destinations.
E3 starting Tuesday. I wonder how many on the Westside will park at La Cienega and take Expo in, instead of dealing with convention parking and traffic.
one would hope a lot. E3 is a giant convention, one of the largest that Los Angeles hosts, and there are electronic game design companies based out of Southern California.
still, it depends partially on how well E3 handles the situation and also how well Metro advertises itself to E3. (in general, I think the MTA could promote itself more at LAX) E3 doesn't do a great job of mentioning Metro Rail on its website, concentrating more on getting people from the airport (E3 is an international conference).
a lot of convention attendees may be staying at the JW Marriott, so the real question would be if they use Metro Rail to get from downtown to related events in Hollywood.
When I was boarding the Red Line from Vermont/Sunset to North Hollywood at 6:41pm, I did notice the train was more crowded with E3 attendees; the Orange Line was slightly more crowded, but at that point I couldn't tell if it was E3-related. I'm sure it's the same story on other parts of the Metro system. This is the beauty of holding conventions at a rail transit-accessible venue. I noticed the same thing during Anime Expo, which is coming up later this month.
I am going to E3 Wednesday. Planning to do exactly that, take expo. I am mostly worried about the Kings -- if they win, i don't want my car being trashed.
That, and its easier, cheaper and cooler to take the train!
E3 ends at 6pm, Kings game starts at 5pm, which means it should end around 8pm-ish. Might as well join the bandwagon and celebrate a possible Kings sweep.
Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #30 on Jun 6, 2012, 2:09pm »
Off topic, but speaking of possible Kings riots, Tom Leykis was talking about this on his show today. He read a story about Kings fans being told to "celebrate responsibly" and asked callers whether this was being done for politically correct reasons. He does not expect Kings riots, just like most people. Any discussion of possible Kings riots obviously circle steps the racial implications involved.
Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #32 on Jun 11, 2012, 9:17pm »
Regarding taking Expo/Blue trains to the Convention Center: I find it quite amusing to attend the Auto Show using electric railway transport from East Pasadena to Chick Hearn station. I've also visited the Petersen Auto Museum by rail with only the last segment being on rubber tires because the subway doesn't go that far yet.
Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #33 on Jun 12, 2012, 3:06pm »
I just realized Anime Expo is going to be the same weekend as X Games. Right on top of each other, too.
AX is pretty big; but this anime fan has to admit that X Games at Staples Center has typically been a bigger event, with more streets likely to be closed. Either way, it's a potentially crowded situation at Pico Station. And "riding rails" takes on a whole new meaning with skateboarding.
I just realized Anime Expo is going to be the same weekend as X Games. Right on top of each other, too.
AX is pretty big; but this anime fan has to admit that X Games at Staples Center has typically been a bigger event, with more streets likely to be closed. Either way, it's a potentially crowded situation at Pico Station. And "riding rails" takes on a whole new meaning with skateboarding.
That's quite unusual that the ESPN X Games are being held a month earlier than usual, and also on the same weekend as Anime Expo. Both events even by themselves bring in a large crowd to South Park Downtown L.A.; to have both running concurrently is going to be huge strain on the Pico Station. I hope Metro is aware of the possible crowds that weekend and look into operating longer trains or more frequency.
Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #35 on Jun 12, 2012, 10:57pm »
One would indeed hope that Metro is cognizant of the likelihood of big crowds this weekend. We'll see how it plays out, bearing in mind that the number of Anime and X-Games fans among the Metro management is probably rather small.
One would indeed hope that Metro is cognizant of the likelihood of big crowds this weekend. We'll see how it plays out, bearing in mind that the number of Anime and X-Games fans among the Metro management is probably rather small.
Metro is running full 6 car trains during non-rush hour for tomorrow's Kings parade on the Red/Purple and 3 car trains on Blue/Gold/Expo, so Metro does make accomodations appropriately during significant LA events.
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Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #37 on Jun 13, 2012, 2:07pm »
Looks like Expo ridership came in at 11,317 for May. Will be interesting to see how July performs with Culver City and Farmdale. Not sure we'll get up to 17k as I guessed in early May. I'd probably envision 15k given the disappointing number for May.
Looks like Expo ridership came in at 11,317 for May. Will be interesting to see how July performs with Culver City and Farmdale. Not sure we'll get up to 17k as I guessed in early May. I'd probably envision 15k given the disappointing number for May.
The May numbers aren't posted on the Metro website yet. Do you have access to an early release of the numbers?
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Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #40 on Jun 25, 2012, 6:02pm »
From my observations, ridership on the Expo Line is still very low. Culver City and Farmdale Stations don't appear to have helped much. It's probably around 12,000. We may have to wait until Phase 2 to see more people riding the line.
Meanwhile, speeding up the Flower St section a bit and even the median-running section on Exposition, and lightening up with the paranoid operations at Farmdale (don't slow down the trains until they stop at the platform) should help boost the ridership.
Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #41 on Jun 25, 2012, 6:52pm »
I guess I will also echo what some previous posters have said about the Expo Line not being a previously established transit corridor. It might take time for transit users and new riders to get used to the service much like the Pasadena Gold Line and the Eastside Gold Line, which seems to have already met its ridership predictions in a little over two years instead of the predicted 10. Though once USC opens up in the fall we could see a significant uptick in riders.
That said weekend ridership seems to have gone up since it went to Culver City. Trains coming to and from the West end of the line looked alot more crowded than they did when the line ended in La Cienega.
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Re: Guess Expo's ridership « Reply #43 on Jun 26, 2012, 1:16pm »
[quote author=wad board=expoline thread=1175 post=29168 time=1340709510][quote author=gokhan board=expoline thread=1175 post=29163 time=1340676169]From my observations, ridership on the Expo Line is still very low. Quote:
Even the Blue Line was a failure in its first few years. A USC professor famously decreed it will forever be a ghost train.
Lines need a few years to find their legs.
Instead of poring over monthly ridership trends, Friedman units are better suited for ridership.
Tis true, only a small number of people line up at the gates and are early adopters. One of my friends lives walking distance from Expo/La Brea and he rode it starting 4/30 as part of his commute to Pasadena. The rest would be bus riders who took formerly took the same corridor and jumped to rail (though the bus lines that closely paralleled Expo weren't a very high ridership bus anyway).
The silver lining is that eventually the most of the riders will be new converts to transit.
So, that Red Line transfers article mentioned 14,000. Perhaps we're now around 15,000 in July? Once USC opens, we may climb toward 20,000.
Stats are out for June. Expo already at 16,569. Culver City and its bus connections seem extremly popular. Really need to see July to have a sense of ridership for the line since CC was only open for a portion of June.
All time high for rail ridership at 362k per weekday (of course we didn't have Expo before) and June-July seem to be the peak.
Wow, Culver City only operated for 1/3 of June. Of course, there were free rides on the first day. Don't forget Farmdale either.
It must be more than 20,000 riders per week day now then.
Also, rail ridership is much higher than last year. Perhaps Expo Line is helping the other lines as well. It looks like antirail advocates are being proven wrong in their claim that adding more lines don't help increase the system ridership.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll put together the ridership charts hopefully tonight. Since it's the end of June, that means all the graphs get updated. The 16,000 is very impressive up from 11,000.
Wow, Culver City only operated for 1/3 of June. Of course, there were free rides on the first day. Don't forget Farmdale either.
It must be more than 20,000 riders per week day now then.
Also, rail ridership is much higher than last year. Perhaps Expo Line is helping the other lines as well. It looks like antirail advocates are being proven wrong in their claim that adding more lines don't help increase the system ridership.
I think there are a lot more people riding Eastbound (in the morning) now with Culver City, because they can catch bus connections. If people are riding from places like Simi Valley and all parts of the Valley as the Daily News claims then that means people from other parts of the County are as well.
I rode Sunday from La Cienega for the first time since before it was open to the public. A lot of people continued on to Culver City (some with bikes), others were talking about connecting to buses.
Overall, it was a nice ride. 29 minutes in from La Cienega and 26 out. At 23rd Street Station on the way back, the doors did not open in my car and someone couldn't get out. Somebody else said it happens at that station all the time. Yikes. I wouldn't be too happy if that happened to me.
Overall, it was a nice ride. 29 minutes in from La Cienega and 26 out. At 23rd Street Station on the way back, the doors did not open in my car and someone couldn't get out. Somebody else said it happens at that station all the time. Yikes. I wouldn't be too happy if that happened to me.
I wound up riding Expo to Culver City on Saturday and Sunday and in both instances the automated announcement notified everyone that La Cienega was the final stop and they needed to get off the train. The operators then announced the train was continuing to Culver City but by then several people had already gotten off in confusion and didn't make it back on before the train pulled away.
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