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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1527 on Nov 5, 2009, 8:07pm »
It looks like the Expo Line ballasted-track installation will finally begin next week. After many years of construction, this is the first time the right-of-way will start looking like a rail line; so, this is a huge milestone.
Good Afternoon,
Please find enclosed our latest construction notice regarding the intermittent interruption of northbound and southbound traffic on Crenshaw Boulevard for rail movement across the Exposition right-of-way scheduled for next week.
What: Intermittent interruption of northbound and southbound traffic on Crenshaw Boulevard.
When: Monday, November 9, 2009 through Friday, November 13, 2009
(No work on Wednesday, November 11 due to the holiday)
Weeknight hours: 7:00 p.m. through 10:00 p.m.
Where: Crenshaw Boulevard traffic will experience intermittent interruptions at the intersection with the Exposition Right-of-Way.
Traffic Impacts:
*During this construction activity, all northbound and southbound vehicular and pedestrian traffic will be interrupted for approximately 5 minutes at 20-30 minute intervals on Crenshaw Boulevard at the Exposition Right-of-Way. *Traffic will not be forced to detour onto side streets during this construction activity. *Flaggers will be used to direct traffic in order to minimize disruption to pedestrians and commuters during this period. *Noise mitigation will include: monitoring all activities to make sure the work being performed is within the necessary compliance levels, disabling backup alarms, care in handling of materials and using workers to guide construction equipment safely through construction areas and public streets.
Advisories: Parking restrictions in all construction areas will be strictly enforced at all times. Please do not enter the construction work zone and obey all posted construction signs.
Please click here to view the complete construction notice.
Also, to ensure that your constituents are well informed about this construction activity, I am hoping you could include this announcement on your website, in your newsletter or forward it to your database. Thank you, I appreciate it.
Here's track laying proceeding across 7th Street this afternoon, with workers manually lifting the ties to the rails to be attached.
Late this afternoon (after dark) a crew was placing the road plates between the rails, a day after rail and tie installation. It still needs asphalt paving up to the plates, and the road has not reopened.
Late this afternoon (after dark) a crew was placing the road plates between the rails, a day after rail and tie installation. It still needs asphalt paving up to the plates, and the road has not reopened.
They will do the same thing at Arlington all next week. And the actual track installation will also start hopefully next week or so according to the above notice.
Late this afternoon (after dark) a crew was placing the road plates between the rails, a day after rail and tie installation. It still needs asphalt paving up to the plates, and the road has not reopened.
They will do the same thing at Arlington all next week. And the actual track installation will also start hopefully next week or so according to the above notice.
I also noticed similar track installation along Flower north of Jefferson yesterday. This line is starting to look pretty good!
It's just a perfect example of how much demand USC will have for the Expo Line to get Downtown or to connect to the existing Metro Rail. (I strongly expect the tram to be discontinued once the Expo Line opens up.)
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1532 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:03pm »
Well, this was the last crossing that had to be closed, and ballasted-track installation that we have been waiting for a long time should begin soon.
Good afternoon,
Enclosed you will find a construction notice regarding the temporary closure of Crenshaw Boulevard at the intersection with Exposition Boulevard scheduled for next weekend, Friday, November 13, 2009 through Monday, November 16, 2009.
What: Temporary Street Closure for Track Crossing Installation
When: Friday, November 13, 2009 through Monday, November 16, 2009
Weekend work hours: Friday at 9:00 p.m. through Monday at 6:00 a.m.
Where: Crenshaw Boulevard will be closed at the intersection with Exposition Boulevard
Traffic Impacts:
* NO northbound or southbound vehicular traffic will be allowed to cross Exposition Boulevard by using Crenshaw Boulevard during this construction activity. * Northbound traffic on Crenshaw Boulevard will be detoured onto eastbound Rodeo Road. Southbound traffic on Crenshaw Boulevard will be detoured onto westbound Jefferson Boulevard. * Exposition Boulevard will remain open to eastbound and westbound traffic. However, right and/or left turns will be restricted at these intersections. * Exposition Boulevard will remain open to eastbound and westbound traffic. However, right and/or left turns will be restricted at these intersections. * Excavated material will be hauled along Exposition and Jefferson Boulevards to a stockpile area on the right-of-way at Hauser Boulevard. * Flagmen and directional signage will be used to safely direct drivers around the construction zones in order to minimize the disruption to traffic. * All activities will be monitored to make sure the work being performed is within the necessary levels for noise compliance.
Advisories: Parking restrictions in all construction areas will be strictly enforced at all times. Please do not enter the construction work zone and obey all posted construction signs.
Have a good weekend.
Greg Starosky
Government/Community
Relations Representative
213.243.5534
gstarosky@exporail.net
For more information about the Expo Light Rail Line, please visit BuildExpo.org
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1533 on Nov 7, 2009, 3:33pm »
It looks like the only grade crossing left without track west of Normandie and east of the Crenshaw Station is Gramercy Pl (Exposition/Rodeo). I'm guessing this is because of the complicated nature of the crossing, requiring special trackwork.
Looking forward to the track installation to begin. Probably this will happen within two weeks and finally we will see a rail corridor again on the Expo right-of-way.
Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1534 on Nov 7, 2009, 6:39pm »
Recently I posted a defense of USC and its creation of greenspace, but I may have to eat my words. The site of the old George Lucas building was supposed to be replaced by "green space," but a couple days ago most of it was covered in concrete, and evidently it is going to be an extension of the wide Watt Way sidewalk that passes in front of Heritage Hall, connecting it to 34th street, the on-campus street just south of Jefferson. There will be some grass and trees on either side of the walkway, but it will not be a small park. Some people I have talked to have joked that maybe the new sidewalk will be painted green.
Back to topic: Recently I was at the Santa Monica Public Library and browsed through a book called "Transport of Delight: the mythical conception of rail transit in Los Angeles," by Jonathan Richmond. The author is an academic who specializes in urban transit systems, and from what I could gather in the hour or so I spent skimming through the book is that his premise is that the greater Los Angeles region is not well-suited to light rail (or HRT) as a mass transit option. He maintains that all objective academic analyses of the transportation situation in Los Angeles come to the same conclusion, but despite that there has been strong popular and political support to revive light rail. He goes into a detailed analysis of why that is, which from what I could gather is a mixture of nostalgia for the old Pacific Electric Red Car system, an inherent appeal of trains as opposed to buses, and probably other factors as well. This predisposition leads to predictions of cost for light-rail that tend to underestimate, and predictions of ridership that tend to overestimate. Those of you who have examined the history of the Blue Line and Gold Line closer than I have can judge the soundness of that argument.
Again, I just skimmed the book, but I think other factors he cited are potential riders' reluctance to have to walk more than a short way to stations, waiting times for trains, and the fact that in an area like Los Angeles bus systems can be much more flexible and provide greater connectivity.
Anyways, since I live in Santa Monica and work at USC it got me to thinking: will I really take the Expo Line when it's done, or do I just like the idea of it? Assuming using the Expo Line will take longer than driving, will I sacrifice the extra commute time in return for saving money, reducing stress, doing more walking on a daily basis, and being able to read in transit instead of listen to the radio? Will I forsake the comfort, convenience, and privacy of my car for public transit?
The first step is to find out exactly how long it takes me to drive to work every day, so like the nerd I am I've started to time my daily commute, using the timer in my car to record exactly how long it takes me to get from my garage to my parking space at USC in the morning, and vice-versa in the evening. I'm going to do it for a few weeks, to allow for variations due to weather, holidays, and accidents and so forth, and then I'll compare that average commute time to predicted travel times and headways on the Expo, also factoring in walk times to and from the stations--I live about five blocks from Bergamot Station and my office at USC is on the north side of campus, just a block from Jefferson and a ways from the USC/Trousdale Expo station. The results will be a little skewed, since I'm a long-time employee and have a permit to park on-campus, only a block from my office, which is very unusual at USC. For most USC employees the Trousdale station will be closer than where they park.
Anyways, when I get the results I'll file the report.
Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1535 on Nov 7, 2009, 8:19pm »
Here's an even tougher assignment, Dave, that you might want to consider:
How much time does it take you to get to Robertson, vs. east of Robertson on the 10 freeway to USC? I've often wondered if freeway-adjacent Venice/Robertson station is a midway point that many Santa Monicans will want to utilize if the Expo Line takes too long from Santa Monica to USC, but is a quicker and more attractive ride from Venice/Robertson to USC and/or Downtown.
You are asking some blunt but pragmatic questions, questions that have yet to be answered because they probably CANNOT be truly known (suspected, perhaps, but not truly known) until the line opens.
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1536 on Nov 7, 2009, 11:03pm »
OK, so, USC does stand for University of Steel and Concrete. I don't understand why they have been trying to get rid of grass and replace it with concrete. Maybe they are afraid of squirrels. The new campus center will certainly be the new concrete center of the university.
Simply ignore the book, davebowman. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether it's worth anything or not. I'm sure BRU will love that book, along with other antirail people like USC's Jim Moore (Chairmain of the Industrial and Systems Engineering Dept) and Tom Rubin.
Ten myths about US urban rail systems by Thomas Rubin, James Moore, and Shin Lee. Perhaps the entire reason why USC hired and promoted these people (along with President Sample) was to try to stop the Expo Line LOL:
Myth 1. Rail is cost-effective. Myth 2. Rail is the people's choice. Myth 3. Rail is fast transit. Myth 4. Rail is high-capacity transit. Myth 7. Rail will be paid for with non-local funds that cannot be used for other purposes. Myth 8. Rail will attract new riders to transit.
As for LRT versus driving, I'm sure you will prefer LRT. From 26th St to Expo Park/USC it's about 25 - 30 minutes. Add ten minutes on this for walking and train waiting, you are looking at 35 - 40 minutes. You can't probably drive faster than that during the day and even if it is 5 or 10 minutes longer than driving, you are saving a lot of money (USC parking costs $100 per month, gas, maintenance, higher insurance premiums for commuting to work) and stress. It's also certainly a lot safer. Most people get into at least one accident in their lives on the Santa Monica Freeway or other roads.
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1537 on Nov 8, 2009, 1:07am »
Dave,
If you work on the North side of campus, wouldn't the Jefferson be more appropriate for you? The Jefferson station is right behind Galen Center and really just as much a USC station as the USC station.
Also, keep in mind if you get your parking paid by USC, if you decide to use transit, they have to pay you the value of the parking as Gokhan pointed out. This unfortunately gets treated as compensation so it is taxed.
Even though I own a car, I find using transit to be more enjoyable (you'll feel more relaxed, feel like you are not part of the herd on the roads and actually more part of the community) assuming you have reasonable service, which it sounds like Expo would be for you. I currently walk to work now and am more than glad that I don't have to get behind the wheel every day.
If you work on the North side of campus, wouldn't the Jefferson be more appropriate for you? The Jefferson station is right behind Galen Center and really just as much a USC station as the USC station.
Also, keep in mind if you get your parking paid by USC, ...
LOL. USC doesn't pay for parking -- they charge their employees and students $100 per month for parking. In fact they charge for everything. And the food in the campus is very expensive, too.
But they do have discounted Metro passes. For USC students and employees, I believe it's only $45 per month.
Also, keep in mind if you get your parking paid by USC, ...
LOL. USC doesn't pay for parking -- they charge their employees and students $100 per month for parking. In fact they charge for everything. And the food in the campus is very expensive, too.
But they do have discounted Metro passes. For USC students and employees, I believe it's only $45 per month.
All the better reason to use Expo when it is up and running. Hopefully, they encourage their employees and students to use Expo as much as possible, which isn't assured given their acrimonious relationship with the line.
LOL. USC doesn't pay for parking -- they charge their employees and students $100 per month for parking. In fact they charge for everything. And the food in the campus is very expensive, too.
But they do have discounted Metro passes. For USC students and employees, I believe it's only $45 per month.
All the better reason to use Expo when it is up and running. Hopefully, they encourage their employees and students to use Expo as much as possible, which isn't assured given their acrimonious relationship with the line.
Actually the parking at USC is very scarce, with no parking spaces left in the afternoon, and USC encourages alternative modes of transportation strongly.
The Expo Line is also considered in their long-range plan for building the campus, such as making Jefferson Blvd narrower in the future and more pedestrian friendly. The station locations and pedestrian access to the stations are taken into account.
It was a few administrators at USC who opposed the Expo Line. The main one (Sample) is already gone and others probably have changed their mind or gone as well. It's interesting that they also had cheerleaders in Daily Trojan and School of Communication, who have been writing anti-Expo articles and building anti-Expo Web sites. Whenever that girl who works for Daily Trojan (probably a student) wrote an anti-Expo article, in the comment sections, you would always see comments by other students saying why the article is wrong. So, the majority of the students do strongly support the Expo Line.
The Expo Line is also considered in their long-range plan for building the campus, such as making Jefferson Blvd narrower in the future and more pedestrian friendly. The station locations and pedestrian access to the stations are taken into account.
Here is a map from the USC Master Plan illustrating the Expo Line. The plan envisions three enhanced pedestrian corridors feeding the stations along Jefferson, Trousdale, and McClintock. (Notably, McClintock still won't actually connect to the Vermont station because of the new Parkside complex, which was built in the way):
...The author is an academic who specializes in urban transit systems, and from what I could gather in the hour or so I spent skimming through the book is that his premise is that the greater Los Angeles region is not well-suited to light rail (or HRT) as a mass transit option. He maintains that all objective academic analyses of the transportation situation in Los Angeles come to the same conclusion, but despite that there has been strong popular and political support to revive light rail.
Dave, I checked Amazon and the book was published back in 2005. In early 2005 oil was about $35 per barrel. In 2004 when he was probably writing the book oil was closer to $30 per barrel, or even less. My how things have changed since then...
Whenever I see an author say things like "He maintains that all objective academic analyses" it makes me cringe, because I know what comes next is almost always based on bad assumptions. Did the "objective academic analysis" that he and others did take into account the possibility, and eventual fact, that oil prices went to $130 per barrel in 2008? I haven't even read the book, but I'll bet there is no mention of that possibility.
The cost of getting from point A to point B by car is a very important factor that should be part of any analysis. As gas prices go up, more and more people are going to use public transport. Check my graph of Red/Gold Line ridership that also shows the gas prices in LA County. When gas prices peaked, so did ridership, and ridership stayed high even when gas prices came down. Along those same lines, I'm now reading a book called "$20 per gallon gas, and how it will change the way we live". When gas prices get anywhere North of $5 per gallon the trains will be full...
While I generally get the idea that because LA is so spread out, there is an academic argument to be made that light/heavy rail may not be the best way to go. Thats a great discussion to have back in say 1985 before billions of $$$ were invested in the system that we now have. All thinking about the best way to proceed has to take into account that we already have major infrastructure in place. So, the options now become to either expand it, or stop expanding it. We don't start with a clean sheet of paper in 2009, only the academics do that...
I would also question the assumption that people won't walk/ride more than 1/2 mile to a transit stop. People will change as the situation warrants, like they did when gas went up. As more walkable communities arise around the transit system, people will be more willing to take that walk, especially if the car experience keeps getting worse.
Recently I was at the Santa Monica Public Library and browsed through a book called "Transport of Delight: the mythical conception of rail transit in Los Angeles," by Jonathan Richmond. The author is an academic who specializes in urban transit systems, and from what I could gather in the hour or so I spent skimming through the book is that his premise is that the greater Los Angeles region is not well-suited to light rail (or HRT) as a mass transit option. He maintains that all objective academic analyses of the transportation situation in Los Angeles come to the same conclusion, but despite that there has been strong popular and political support to revive light rail. He goes into a detailed analysis of why that is, which from what I could gather is a mixture of nostalgia for the old Pacific Electric Red Car system, an inherent appeal of trains as opposed to buses, and probably other factors as well. This predisposition leads to predictions of cost for light-rail that tend to underestimate, and predictions of ridership that tend to overestimate. Those of you who have examined the history of the Blue Line and Gold Line closer than I have can judge the soundness of that argument.
Again, I just skimmed the book, but I think other factors he cited are potential riders' reluctance to have to walk more than a short way to stations, waiting times for trains, and the fact that in an area like Los Angeles bus systems can be much more flexible and provide greater connectivity.
It's true that people have a nostalgia for L.A's rail network of yesterday but to attribute the desire for effective mass transportation to rosey pictures of yesterday is to completely ignore our current transportation quagmire. As a person who travels across town from SM to USC you know first hand what a taxing commute that can be if you get on the freeway during the 7 hours a day that traffic slows to a fifteen MPH crawling parking lot.
It is true that bus transportation is a less expensive initial investment and is more flexible then fixed guide-way but he ignores a lot of the other very important considerations.
COST: If you ever ride a bicycle down Wilshire Blvd, not a good idea by the way, you will see first hand how torn up the blvd is. It's riddled with cracks and potholes. This is due primarily to the large amount of bus traffic that goes up and down that blvd. The author's cost estimates probably don't account for the cost of maintaining these asphalt guideways.
CAPACITY: Additionally, it's a basic fact that busses do not have the same capacity as rail. A standard bus has 38 seats. A three car LRT train has 228. HRT is even greater.
SPEED: These light rail trains with mostly dedicated right-of-way travel faster and more efficiently then buses that are stuck in the same traffic as the rest of automobiles. If you've ever taken a bus across town you know that it takes hours to get from Santa Monica to downtown. I discovered long ago that I can get from SM to downtown on my bicycle faster then a bus that doesn't take the freeway.
ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT: LRT and HRT provides for economic stimulus in the form of neighborhood beautification and attraction of new business that you just can't get with a bus. Other posters here know the numbers but for every dollar you put in you get a greater return on that investment through increased tax revenue and in the case of HRT lease income from property above stations.
ENVIRONMENTAL: While rail is powered by coal burning electric power plants they are still much more energy efficient then thousands of CNG and diesel powered buses. As more wind and solar plants come online the environmental benefits only increase.
PSYCHOLOGICAL: Lets face it many people who will ride a smooth electrically powered train will never ride a bus. I'm not sure why maybe one of you can expand on this.
In truth rail is not the only answer to our transportation woes. Our city can not put rail EVERYWHERE. Buses can go to these communities and in turn feed into the larger capacity rail that can take commuters across town.
Lastly, in regards to ridership estimates I believe the LRT lines in our city with the exception of the Gold Line phase one, have exceeded ridership expectations. The most shining example of this is the Blue Line. Anyone have the numbers for projection vs actual?
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1545 on Nov 8, 2009, 9:15pm »
Here is the USC professors' antirail paper. (Use the zoom featue on your browser for better readibility.)
Note that the conclusion of the paper is that the real problem is the rail advocates:
There is an eleventh rail myth we have not addressed. We cannot. No one can, and this provides the myth with a nearly divine status among US rail advocates. The eleventh myth is “Rail will ultimately perform as required, but only if the rail system is constructed in its entirety.” Thus no matter how dismally existing rail systems might perform, proponents have an argument for building more. We cannot disprove this argument conclusively because it is grounded in blind faith, and we cannot afford to build rail systems large enough to test it. However, we can draw informed conclusions from the best evidence available. Larger US urban rail systems are not better rail systems, they are more expensive failures.
Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1547 on Nov 8, 2009, 11:38pm »
His 11th myth is interesting. I wonder how many fewer cars, say, the Century Freeway would see if it didn't have the 405, 110, 710 and 605 feeding into it, as well as the myriad of surface streets.
Today, the Red Line is pumping people through Downtown, Hollywood and Mid-city like never before. I'm sure that the fact that the system is becoming more complete has something to do with it. The Red Line's ridership will see further increases when the East LA Gold Line Extension, Expo and the subway toward the sea are open for business.
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Re: Exposition Light Rail Line Project Development « Reply #1548 on Nov 9, 2009, 2:01pm »
Aw come on guys, I can't get over into Culver City for a while and when I look at this site I am hopping to see some more pictures but all I'm getting is discussion on a book. please somebody get some new pictures!
Aw come on guys, I can't get over into Culver City for a while and when I look at this site I am hopping to see some more pictures but all I'm getting is discussion on a book. please somebody get some new pictures!
Ask and you shall receive. I took these last week of La Brea, La Cieniega, Ballona and Venice/Washington. My art and fabrication studio is near here:
Pedestrian "tunnel" under La Brea falsework.
La Brea Falsework
La Cieniega false work
East Side of Ballona Creek. Note there are two pillars and not one.
Rebar Cages for pylons South of Washington.
Cranes at Venice and Robertson. They are finally chuggin away at this station.
HUGE steel pylon casing being trucked to Venice and Robertson. Note the size of the man standing in the center comparative to the casing.
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