1) it sounds like the vote will still happen tomorrow and the hearing will happen thereafter with Beverly Hills; but will most likely not affect the vote
2) the building in which Metro plans to tunnel under BHHS is actually slated for annexation by BHHS in their previously approved master plan
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #78 on Apr 26, 2012, 1:03pm »
No pun intended, but it's highly inflammatory; no wonder the residents of Beverly Hills are on the verge of rioting! Is this a product of the PR firm that's been spreading all the other misinformation? Forget professionalism, where is their sense of ethics?!!
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #80 on Apr 26, 2012, 1:45pm »
OK, so the first battle was won with some casualties...outstanding! Too bad construction can't begin from one day to the next. I'm curious now. TBM's are going to be used to bore part of the Connector's route. Are those TBM's going to be extracted from the ground from the Connector project, when it's complete, to be used on the Purple Line extension tunnels? Or does each project get its own TBM(s)?
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #83 on Apr 26, 2012, 5:42pm »
bzcat, thank you.
It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL!
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #84 on Apr 26, 2012, 7:15pm »
I don't think that he Crenshaw controversy will stop that line in any way. Every transit project in LA, that I can think of, is followed by unending controversy and opposition.
It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL!
I have been around long enough to know you can't really count a project until it has started real construction.
Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #86 on Apr 26, 2012, 11:00pm »
On the other hand, this is good news for the people that want something other than the mess at the VA, to have a better station. Ultimately if the subway continues to Santa Monica, the VA station becomes the subway's version of Farmdale on the Expo line. Unfortunately the VA is dead set on the station being in the middle of that onramp, allegedly because of the trees on the west side. A station on VA property but also with an entrance on Federal Avenue could provide the utility necessary for the private sector to come and develop the park and ride needed for the residents west of the 405, as well as not being a dud station when the subway does get to the sea eventually.
It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL!
Crenshaw is basically fully funded so it will start construction no matter what the NIBMYs say.
By the middle of 2013, we will have the following construction going on:
1. Expo 2 bridges (Venice/Robertson, National/Palm, Motor, Bundy, Sepulveda) and all stations on the route 2. Foothill stations and rail installation 3. Crenshaw ROW clearing and utility relocation 4. Purple line station box excavation (Fairfax, La Brea, La Cienega) and TBM staging at Wilshire/Crenshaw 5. Downtown Connector TBM excavation in Little Tokyo. 6. Final touch up/testing for Orange Line extension.
And we'll probably have the DEIR on South Bay, LAX spur, and Eastside completed. Santa Ana Branch is still a long ways to reality.
It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL!
Crenshaw is basically fully funded so it will start construction no matter what the NIBMYs say.
By the middle of 2013, we will have the following construction going on:
1. Expo 2 bridges (Venice/Robertson, National/Palm, Motor, Bundy, Sepulveda) and all stations on the route 2. Foothill stations and rail installation 3. Crenshaw ROW clearing and utility relocation 4. Purple line station box excavation (Fairfax, La Brea, La Cienega) and TBM staging at Wilshire/Crenshaw 5. Downtown Connector TBM excavation in Little Tokyo. 6. Final touch up/testing for Orange Line extension.
And we'll probably have the DEIR on South Bay, LAX spur, and Eastside completed. Santa Ana Branch is still a long ways to reality.
Doesn't the orange line open in June of this year? Why would it still be testing in 2013?
Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #89 on Apr 27, 2012, 1:40pm »
Things really could get busy around the LA area in the coming years, especially if Metro's Measure "R+" is approved this election year. Word is it might contain the Foothill Extension to Montclair... and perhaps the the final Westside extension to Santa Monica from the VA station (I doubt much more than that though). Also, if America Fast Forward/30-10 eventually DOES happen, all those projects will be fast-tracked.
EDIT: And keep in mind that doesn't include an elusive Measure "R2" (potentially containing new lines down the 405/Van Nuys, Vermont and maybe even Whittier).
Yes yes, I know, "R2" could be REALLY tough to propose if "R+" is ok'd this year by voters, but if "R2" is proposed in 2016, when the economy will probably be much stronger and metro is given more time to study different potential projects, I think "R2" might, just might, have a shot.
Crenshaw is basically fully funded so it will start construction no matter what the NIBMYs say.
By the middle of 2013, we will have the following construction going on:
1. Expo 2 bridges (Venice/Robertson, National/Palm, Motor, Bundy, Sepulveda) and all stations on the route 2. Foothill stations and rail installation 3. Crenshaw ROW clearing and utility relocation 4. Purple line station box excavation (Fairfax, La Brea, La Cienega) and TBM staging at Wilshire/Crenshaw 5. Downtown Connector TBM excavation in Little Tokyo. 6. Final touch up/testing for Orange Line extension.
And we'll probably have the DEIR on South Bay, LAX spur, and Eastside completed. Santa Ana Branch is still a long ways to reality.
Doesn't the orange line open in June of this year? Why would it still be testing in 2013?
I got 2012 and 2013 confused
You are right, Orange line will be open by middle of next year.
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #91 on May 15, 2012, 12:03pm »
So let's say Metro goes with the busway to the VA for the Sepulveda pass line. Not to get all Mirisch on everyone, but won't that make the Westwood station location kind of sub-optimal? Sure, Wilshire's busy, but it's really, really far from UCLA. More than that, there's so much gravity just generally north of Wilshire that a lone Westwood station on the region's border seems to really miss the target. And as much as I hate to say it, why is the "center of the center" standard not considered at all here when it's so understandably important just one stop east in Century City?
Of course, a Sepulveda pass line with a UCLA station and connection to the purple line at Wilshire would really take care of the whole mess.
"There are no buildings that have been built by chance, remote from the human society where they have grown and its needs, hopes and understandings..."
So let's say Metro goes with the busway to the VA for the Sepulveda pass line. Not to get all Mirisch on everyone, but won't that make the Westwood station location kind of sub-optimal? Sure, Wilshire's busy, but it's really, really far from UCLA. More than that, there's so much gravity just generally north of Wilshire that a lone Westwood station on the region's border seems to really miss the target. And as much as I hate to say it, why is the "center of the center" standard not considered at all here when it's so understandably important just one stop east in Century City?
Of course, a Sepulveda pass line with a UCLA station and connection to the purple line at Wilshire would really take care of the whole mess.
Yes, it would be a missed opportunity and I am very much for a Sepulveda line with a stop at UCLA if we can somehow afford it.
Given that, Westwood Village including the office towers on Wilshire as well as the apartment community just south as well as businesses on Westwood Blvd. more than qualify for a station. Wilshire is like Century City in this area and it has tens of thousands of workers here. That is why this station is projected as so busy. Look at the 720 stop in Westwood. It is always absolutely packed.
If you put a Purple Line station up on campus you miss all that. It will be great to have a station at UCLA eventually, but I think if I had to choose one location right now, it would be where the Purple Line is. People like Mirsch (who doesn't know what he is talking about and is just trying to criticize Metro because of the Beverly Hills situation) will say Metro is missing a key area like UCLA, but they underestimate ridership from office towers like those on Wilshire and in Century City of course.
Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #93 on May 15, 2012, 1:52pm »
UCLA is not the only game in town in Westwood. The office towers on Westwood and the surrounding apartment community more than justify the choice of placing the station at Wilshire/Westwood -- not to mention there are issues with crossing the VA property if it is any farther north than that.
Mirischi is looking for a cheap excuse to criticize Metro.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 1:53pm by Dan Wentzel »
there are issues with crossing the VA property if it is any farther north than that.
Could you elaborate on those issues? I've heard mention of not being able to tunnel under a national cemetery, though that is somehow hard for me to believe. That would be an odd policy.
"There are no buildings that have been built by chance, remote from the human society where they have grown and its needs, hopes and understandings..."
UCLA is not the only game in town in Westwood. The office towers on Westwood and the surrounding apartment community more than justify the choice of placing the station at Wilshire/Westwood -- not to mention there are issues with crossing the VA property if it is any farther north than that.
Mirischi is looking for a cheap excuse to criticize Metro.
Mr. Mirisch and CenturyCitySubway.org (a paid PR firm on behalf of BHUSD), are spreading lies. First of all, having a station at UCLA instead of Wilshire/Westwood makes no sense given the proximity. It works well for a N-S line, but not E-W like the Purple Line.
A university is in session 180 days a year with full students. Students mostly live in/around the university area. Now, office towers are occupied 270 days/year and people tend to live further away from work than students with school.
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #96 on May 16, 2012, 8:44am »
So who on this discussion board is going to be at the Tomorrow's Hearing at Metro HQ to speak in behalf of the Constellation Station and tunneling under BHHS is safe?
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #97 on May 16, 2012, 11:33am »
Hmm? If these people show up in droves, I can picture a crescendo of normal tone anti-digging comments and opinions turning into a frenzied, stentorian anti-subway rally where they'll drown out anyone that says anything positive. The PR firm that BHUSD hired has done a great job of poking the hornets nest.
Hmm? If these people show up in droves, I can picture a crescendo of normal tone anti-digging comments and opinions turning into a frenzied, stentorian anti-subway rally where they'll drown out anyone that says anything positive. The PR firm that BHUSD hired has done a great job of poking the hornets nest.
Actually its the ones who say something positive that drowns out the others contrary to their comments.
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Re: Final EIR released for Purple Line. « Reply #99 on May 17, 2012, 2:48pm »
Somewhat dry and technical testimony from my listening on and off for the last hour but I have not been able to focus because I am at work. Can anyone else provide an update?
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