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Post by metrocenter on Mar 9, 2012 14:12:23 GMT -8
I'm sticking with July 1 for opening, but I hope to be proven wrong.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Mar 11, 2012 12:57:03 GMT -8
April 15th, to La Cienega. From what I've heard, I think that's a pretty good guess so maybe we'll hear something official soon.
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Post by jamesinclair on Mar 11, 2012 15:03:58 GMT -8
Once April 1 - LAofAnaheim is eliminated, all on-time guesses will be gone. Meaning every member of this forum under-estimated the incompetence that is behind this rail line. Sort of sad
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Post by simonla on Mar 11, 2012 15:57:17 GMT -8
As far as anything in April, I appreciate optimism and all, but what gives anyone the impression that the junction issue has been rectified? I've heard nothing and I feel The Source would probably have informed people that it was fixed and an opening announcement was imminent. The junction thing really makes me nervous--no one else?!?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Mar 11, 2012 17:35:54 GMT -8
As far as anything in April, I appreciate optimism and all, but what gives anyone the impression that the junction issue has been rectified? I've heard nothing and I feel The Source would probably have informed people that it was fixed and an opening announcement was imminent. The junction thing really makes me nervous--no one else?!? I talked to an Expo train operator today. I don't want to spread any rumors, so I'll leave it at that. I think that The Source is useful for official announcements, but that's pretty much all that we can expect from them. They are more oriented towards keeping riders updated with practical information and not so much with satisfying the curiosities of transit geeks. We may not get information from them as quickly as we might like or in the detail that we might prefer. The status of the junction is just one example.
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 11, 2012 17:43:37 GMT -8
I think April 15 was the original goal and that's what the operators may know.
I don't know if they still want to meet the original goal or open it to Culver City a month later.
If they open it to La Cienega, train testing to Culver City will be very difficult.
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 22, 2012 12:18:52 GMT -8
I know I've already made too many guesses but given the start of the prerevenue operation on Sunday, March 25, I will make a final one, which is more of a wishful guess. Assuming that they still want to have a 12-week-long prerevenue operation and also take the advantage of a full opening to Culver City, my final wishful guess is:
Sunday, June 17, 2012, to Culver City
This would still put the opening of the line before the start of the summer (this year, June 20, 4:09 pm).
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 22, 2012 16:59:38 GMT -8
Sunday, June 17? That's the second day of Pacific Electric weekend at Orange Empire. We usually bring PE Business Car 1299 out for display; this is the only surviving car that I'm sure has run on the Santa Monica Air Line (and if anyone is wondering, it's highly unlikely that it would be brought back to LA for a repeat performance or appearance, for a number of reasons)
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Post by transitfan on Mar 23, 2012 6:26:35 GMT -8
Sunday, June 17? That's the second day of Pacific Electric weekend at Orange Empire. We usually bring PE Business Car 1299 out for display; this is the only surviving car that I'm sure has run on the Santa Monica Air Line (and if anyone is wondering, it's highly unlikely that it would be brought back to LA for a repeat performance or appearance, for a number of reasons) June? Is that event separate from the festivals that OERM used to hold? (usually last weekend in April and October).
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Post by dane on Mar 23, 2012 9:57:36 GMT -8
Villaraigosa just announced Expo open to public on April 28th.
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Post by dane on Mar 23, 2012 10:02:56 GMT -8
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 23, 2012 11:26:49 GMT -8
So, my original guess, April 15, was the closest guess made here. But then I changed it a couple of times.
Could we still declare me as the winner? LOL
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Post by bzcat on Mar 23, 2012 14:19:23 GMT -8
It ain't over until the fat lady sings...
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 23, 2012 14:27:47 GMT -8
Regarding special events at Orange Empire: Apr. 28: Union Pacific Picnic (for UP employees, but Museum still open for visitors) May 6: Antique Truck Show (there are usually some classic buses, too) May 19-20: Railfest (special operations, live entertainment, etc.) June 9: Rods and Rails: Custom car show, sponsored by City of Perris June 16-17: Pacific Electric Weekend
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Post by jamesinclair on Mar 23, 2012 23:15:22 GMT -8
It ain't over until the fat lady sings... Seriously people. There might be some more rain this month, which for all we know may add a 6 week delay.
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Post by metrocenter on Mar 24, 2012 9:07:56 GMT -8
^ Yes, we all remember the water-soluble comm cables.
Well at least they have put a date on this. Now they can be held to account if it is further delayed.
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Post by jamesinclair on Mar 24, 2012 13:06:28 GMT -8
^ Yes, we all remember the water-soluble comm cables. Well at least they have put a date on this. Now they can be held to account if it is further delayed. Nobody held them accountable for missing November 15, which was set in financial stone.
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Post by Transit Coalition on Mar 24, 2012 13:26:22 GMT -8
^ Yes, we all remember the water-soluble comm cables. Well at least they have put a date on this. Now they can be held to account if it is further delayed. Here is the concept from the Urban Rail Professionals getting Expo ready for revenue service:
The line must operate safely, without fault or flaws before it is opened to the public.
For many here that had trouble understanding why there were so many delays after the track and power were in place, this is just standard practice to provide a reliable product, as the bug removal becomes the next challenge.
Sometimes technical realities get in the way of theory and they are only revealed when you start the testing.
The Expo Line will run for 5 weeks in full practice and there should NOT be any technical flaws. The next 5 weeks is where the Train Operators learn to run the service as in a precision ballet and Operating Quirks are worked out.
I hope that all the board participants realize that in a Major Urban Operation, the progression is from 0 to 100% and that 100% will be here during our lifetime, as long as the facility receives proper preventive maintenance. You won't find the goofs that happened at NCTD with the Sprinter and in Austin with Capital MetroRail with months-long and year-long delays after the initial Revenue Service dates were announced over and over.
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Post by Transit Coalition on Mar 24, 2012 13:34:44 GMT -8
^ Yes, we all remember the water-soluble comm cables. Well at least they have put a date on this. Now they can be held to account if it is further delayed. Nobody held them accountable for missing November 15, which was set in financial stone. Actually, it was just a target, as a professional budget exercise. The money allocated to run Expo was repurposed to run the increased Red / Purple Line frequencies, as it became obvious internally that the resolution of the Expo Technical Issues would enter unknown territory. As I said before, the peanut gallery and the sidewalk engineers seem to want "More, Better and Different" than what the Authority put out and twisting of reality seems the norm.
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Post by erict on Mar 24, 2012 19:25:30 GMT -8
I am so happy that we know when it will open finally ( fingers crossed). And when Expo I does open, we can all move on to he next challenge, which is getting Expo to Santa Monice.
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Post by bzcat on Mar 26, 2012 17:42:21 GMT -8
So when is the Transit Coalition pre-opening test ride?
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Post by masonite on Mar 26, 2012 18:40:00 GMT -8
So when is the Transit Coalition pre-opening test ride? Too bad metro can't operate like a museum or private company. I'd pay a founding member fee to get a first hand tour before the real opening.
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Post by bzcat on Mar 27, 2012 8:47:52 GMT -8
So when is the Transit Coalition pre-opening test ride? Too bad metro can't operate like a museum or private company. I'd pay a founding member fee to get a first hand tour before the real opening. Bart mentioned in the Phase 1 construction thread that there will be a free test ride for "transit fans" coordinated by Transit Coalition before the official opening
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Post by metroman on Apr 25, 2012 19:52:53 GMT -8
Will they have a train break through a banner as they did with the Goldline and East side grand openings? It would make a great photo-op. But where and when?
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Post by transitfan on Apr 26, 2012 8:28:54 GMT -8
Will they have a train break through a banner as they did with the Goldline and East side grand openings? It would make a great photo-op. But where and when? Hmm, interesting thought. On the north end, the Expo Line is operating on the Blue Line, which already had its banner-breaking moment over 20 years ago Only thing I could think of is having it at La Cienega, with a train starting out west of the station. But La Cienega is elevated, so you could have someone holding the banner on one side standing on the platform, but what about the other side? I guess they don't have to have it, I don't think they had a banner for the Red Line for any of its phases, or the Green Line.
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Post by metroman on Apr 26, 2012 15:38:47 GMT -8
Will they have a train break through a banner as they did with the Goldline and East side grand openings? It would make a great photo-op. But where and when? Hmm, interesting thought. On the north end, the Expo Line is operating on the Blue Line, which already had its banner-breaking moment over 20 years ago Only thing I could think of is having it at La Cienega, with a train starting out west of the station. But La Cienega is elevated, so you could have someone holding the banner on one side standing on the platform, but what about the other side? I guess they don't have to have it, I don't think they had a banner for the Red Line for any of its phases, or the Green Line. Thanks for the comments. I emailed Metro about this, but got no reply. I did hear a rumor that some type of special event or celebration would occur on Friday, but I have not been able to confirm.
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Post by jamesinclair on Apr 30, 2012 14:48:45 GMT -8
So now that we've been able to confirm that the line did indeed open....
A winner can be announced!
April 1 - LAofAnaheim April 15 - Gokhan*
LAofAnaheim had the best on-time guess, so he is the winner.
Gokhan gets an honorable mention, with an asterisk, as he guessed past the due date.
I will do another guess-the-date thing as we get closer to another opening date, and we will all look anxiously at those two for their predictions.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 30, 2012 15:15:52 GMT -8
Let's guess the opening date for Culver City!
I'm going with June 17, 2012, coincide with the bus schedule changes
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 30, 2012 15:36:36 GMT -8
Ha-ha, considering that testing has stopped after Day One, June is way too optimistic. Also, there is still a ton of work to do there.
I would guess July 29, despite that being optimistic as well. Same date for Farmdale, too.
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Post by jamesinclair on Apr 30, 2012 23:14:32 GMT -8
We can definitely use this thread for those guesses. Put me down for....
August 12
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