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Post by erict on May 8, 2012 11:58:10 GMT -8
It is happened to me a quite a few times,. Sometimes the red/green/blue lines will just stop and sit for 5+ minutes with indication of what is wrong. And then start up. Once i had to walk to the next station on the Green line - a mile away.
Buses do the same thing, although usually it is something unrelated like getting food.
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Post by metroman on May 8, 2012 20:24:00 GMT -8
Metro says it was a failed lightning arrestor. Go figure why would a lightning arrestor cause problems on a sunny day. Over the years I've seen two of them explode. Internal failure.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 13, 2012 8:30:25 GMT -8
Flaw at L.A. light-rail junction poses derailment risk, experts sayMetro blamed abnormal wear for the need to keep rewelding a spot on the track where the Expo and Blue lines meet. But state regulators disagree, saying part of the weld broke. Re-welding is planned. A track flaw at the junction of the Blue and Expo lines will require a non-standard repair. (Michael Robinson Chavez, Los Angeles Times / July 12, 2012)By Dan Weikel, Los Angeles Times July 12, 2012Local transit officials have run into complications trying to fix a junction on the recently opened Expo light-rail line, where experts said a serious track flaw presented a higher risk of train derailments. Officials of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority believed they had found a permanent solution to a rail alignment problem where the Expo Line and Blue Line merge at Washington Boulevard and Flower Street just south of downtown Los Angeles. However, the extra metal that was welded to a portion of track to keep trains moving smoothly as the Blue Line makes a 90-degree turn has had to be redone several times because of frequent wear, Metro officials say. "We have been re-welding the section of track as it wears down," said Michael Harris-Gifford, Metro's executive officer of wayside systems. "We have no doubts yet about this being a permanent solution, but we need to see what is going on here." Metro officials had reported earlier that the results of the modification were encouraging and appeared to stop the abnormal wear of track and rail car wheel assemblies. But on Wednesday, regulators with the California Public Utilities Commission, which oversees certain rail operations in the state, contradicted Metro's assertion that wear was the problem. State officials said that a small part of the outer layer of the weld broke some time before July 6 and that the same weld also had broken in May. Dave Sotero, a Metro spokesman, said the portion of track is set to be re-welded on Friday night. By adding a bulb of metal to thicken a key part of the rail, the repair is designed to reduce the damage to wheel assemblies as trains enter the turn. First noticed in June 2010, the alignment flaw affects a portion of the junction used by southbound trains on the Blue Line, which runs between Long Beach and downtown Los Angeles. With 140 trips a day and 26 million annual riders, it is one of the busiest light-rail lines in the nation. Though the metal bulb is a non-standard repair, Metro says the recent complications and the alignment problem have not endangered passengers or resulted in operating restrictions, such as slower speeds, for trains that now go through the junction. As a condition of opening the Expo Line in April, the utilities commission imposed a stringent inspection program for the intersection. The agency plans to check on the welded portion of track. The alignment problem has attracted the attention of several MTA board members, including Los Angeles County SupervisorsMark Ridley-Thomas, who has requested explanations from Metro, and Michael D. Antonovich, the new board chairman. "Our office is extremely concerned about the issue and will work with MTA staff to find a solution because safety has to be the top priority," said Tony Bell, a spokesman for Antonovich. dan.weikel@latimes.com
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 13, 2012 8:32:44 GMT -8
I would be really interested to see a nice close-up photo of this "bulb" welded onto the rail if someone can go there and take it. They are going to reweld tonight; so, it's today or never.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jul 15, 2012 16:48:30 GMT -8
I would be really interested to see a nice close-up photo of this "bulb" welded onto the rail if someone can go there and take it. They are going to reweld tonight; so, it's today or never. I don't know about the "or never" part. I've seen them grinding/welding a couple of times in the last few months and I don't even ride that often. Also, while this is Expo line newsworthy, I'd like to point out that technically it sounds like it's the blue line trains that are at risk of derailing. I saw them cutting it a week or so ago about that time, I guess getting ready to weld it. I can't remember the day or time, but it might have been in the afternoon on July 6th. Trains were still running in regular service and they were cutting during the gaps between trains. It was on the turn on track 2 and iirc was the outside rail.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jul 15, 2012 16:51:00 GMT -8
If they can't fix it - and so far it's not looking good - I wonder how long they would need to shut down the junction? From an earlier article it sounds like it would need to be completely replaced and presumably retested. Are we talking days, weeks, or months?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jul 15, 2012 20:44:48 GMT -8
Some positive press. San Fernando Valley commuters flock to new Expo LineThe dozen riders aboard the Expo Line train car early Wednesday morning used the quiet morning commute in different ways: fiddling with phones, playing video games, or reading a book. All were strangers, but a handful on the train were neighbors, of sorts. North Hollywood resident Dairenn Lombard sat near the window, headed to a job as a computer network engineer near Culver City. A few seats away was Sherman Oaks resident Carlos Mora, who works as an academic review counselor at USC. And farther down the car, Andre Fields was heading to teach kids at a summer camp in Westchester after leaving his home in Chatsworth earlier in the morning. Turns out, San Fernando Valley commuters are flocking to the new Expo Line. The new 8.6-mile light rail-line, which officially opened last month to Culver City, is billed as a transit alternative for downtown, Culver City and Westside residents. The line runs from downtown and serves neighborhoods such as USC, West Adams, Baldwin Hills, and Culver City. And Expo Line riders can get to West L.A. and Santa Monica via bus connections. But a trend that's surprised some transportation officials, San Fernando Valley residents are boarding trains to get to jobs near the Expo Line. In an unusual commute that takes them east to ultimately end up west, Valley commuters catch the Red Line from North Hollywood or Universal City stations, transfer at 7th Street stop in downtown, and head across town on the Expo Line. Their hustle underscores a growing frustration with the traffic-clogged San Diego (405) Freeway, and the jammed-up canyon roads that connect the Valley with the Westside. Faced with no other ways to get over the hill, the new Expo Line line is drawing Valley residents, some of whom are commuting by public transportation for the first time. Until two weeks ago, North Hollywood resident George Araujo, 35, had never regularly ridden a bus or a train in Los Angeles. On Tuesday night, about 6 p.m, he boarded a train in Culver City and leaned back in the seat. "It takes about the same amount of time as driving, but it's lot easier," said Araujo, whose commute from Culver City, where he works an art director, takes about an hour to North Hollywood. Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials don't have figures on how many of the 14,000 daily Expo Line boardings are Valley residents. But in an email, Metro manager and analyst R. Scott Page, wrote that staff "observations at 7th/Metro show that trains coming from North Hollywood deposit a large number of patrons at this station who are seen moving upstairs to the Metro Blue and Expo Lines platform." And Valley residents were found on 11 out of 12 Expo Line trips taken by a Daily News reporter last week. For many, the Expo Line replaces an uncomfortable bus trip. Sherman Oaks resident Earl Jordan, an executive at West Angeles Church in Crenshaw, used to take a Rapid Bus down Wilshire Boulevard from the Red Line. Now he picks up the Expo Line downtown. "The bus," sighed Jordan on a recent morning, "is bumpy. This is so much smoother and quieter. I'll read. I'll do the emails going in." Jordan isn't sure if the commute - which takes about 50 minutes - is faster than if he drives his car, but the savings is significant: With a company discount, he spends $155 on an annual Metro pass, or about $3 a week on his commute. Valley residents aren't just using the train for work. Both North Hollywood resident Dairenn Lombard and his wife own cars, but they recently traveled to an exhibition at the California Science Center near USC on the Red and Expo lines. He also commutes four days a week to his job at the edge of Culver City - a trip that involves the Red Line, the Expo Line, two buses and takes about 90 minutes. "There's just no easy way to get to the Westside from the Valley," said Lombard, who saves about $300 a month by leaving his car at home. "This is as efficient as it gets." But it is still mass transit. The ride may be smoother than the bus, but riders argue the Expo Line slows to a crawl as it leaves downtown. There are also Simi Valley resident John Trotter rides the new Metro Expo Line to work Tuesday, July 11, 2012. Trotter starts his day in Simi Valley and rides several different Metro lines to get to work. (Andy Holzman/Staff Photographer) complaints of fare dodgers and graffiti on the train. Transit officials hope one day to build a direct rail system connecting the Valley with the Westside. A Metro report expected this fall will offer proposals for the Sepulveda Pass, including a subway under the mountains. Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who helped champion the opening of the Expo Line, sounded amazed to hear the line is becoming popular with Valley commuters. "I wish I could say I planned this. ... It is unanticipated," Yaroslavsky said, adding the trend reflects the growing connectivity of the area's bus and rail lines. The opening of the Orange Line busway in 2005 brought more riders to the Red Line, he said. Additionally, the opening of the Red Line to North Hollywood in 2000 resulted in an increase in bus service along Wilshire Boulevard, as Valley commuters connected to buses to head west after coming over the hill. The Valley's rush to the Expo Line also shows that people really don't want to battle traffic, Yaroslavsky added. "It's a reflection of how screwed up traffic is in this city that commuters are doing this circuitous route." dakota.smith@dailynews.com 818-713-3761 twitter.com/dakotacdsmith
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Post by dane on Jul 16, 2012 10:33:26 GMT -8
Just further validation of what Antonovich refuses to acknowledge in his battle against the subway...
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 16, 2012 14:25:59 GMT -8
Also, while this is Expo line newsworthy, I'd like to point out that technically it sounds like it's the blue line trains that are at risk of derailing. Actually they are not worried about a derailment at the junction. They are worried about a chance of a high-speed derailment due to a wheel damaged at the defective junction. In principle it could be an Expo Line train with a wheel damaged previously at the junction.
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Post by RMoses on Jul 16, 2012 21:35:59 GMT -8
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Post by darrell on Jul 16, 2012 22:06:38 GMT -8
Here's the California Public Utilities Commission letter to Metro and Expo (PDF). Key text: Please provide me with a written timetable for the expedited replacement of an appropriately designed, manufactured, and installed frog for this junction by August 20, 2012. The current frog is unacceptable; it is a non-standard frog with a non-standard "fix" and a repeatedly failing weld. Metro's response letter states, Our first step is to correct a defect in a small portion of the track commonly called the “frog” as it relates to the junction where the new Expo Line meets the Metro Blue Line at Washington and Flower near downtown Los Angeles. This was completed last Friday. They replaced a frog that fast? Here's a 9/10/10 photo of the switches and crossing. Do we know which frog is the problem? And here is their installation on 4/4/10.
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Post by K 22 on Jul 17, 2012 6:34:02 GMT -8
Some positive press. San Fernando Valley commuters flock to new Expo LineThe dozen riders aboard the Expo Line train car early Wednesday morning used the quiet morning commute in different ways: fiddling with phones, playing video games, or reading a book. All were strangers, but a handful on the train were neighbors, of sorts. North Hollywood resident Dairenn Lombard sat near the window, headed to a job as a computer network engineer near Culver City. A few seats away was Sherman Oaks resident Carlos Mora, who works as an academic review counselor at USC. And farther down the car, Andre Fields was heading to teach kids at a summer camp in Westchester after leaving his home in Chatsworth earlier in the morning. Turns out, San Fernando Valley commuters are flocking to the new Expo Line. The new 8.6-mile light rail-line, which officially opened last month to Culver City, is billed as a transit alternative for downtown, Culver City and Westside residents. The line runs from downtown and serves neighborhoods such as USC, West Adams, Baldwin Hills, and Culver City. And Expo Line riders can get to West L.A. and Santa Monica via bus connections. But a trend that's surprised some transportation officials, San Fernando Valley residents are boarding trains to get to jobs near the Expo Line. In an unusual commute that takes them east to ultimately end up west, Valley commuters catch the Red Line from North Hollywood or Universal City stations, transfer at 7th Street stop in downtown, and head across town on the Expo Line. Their hustle underscores a growing frustration with the traffic-clogged San Diego (405) Freeway, and the jammed-up canyon roads that connect the Valley with the Westside. Faced with no other ways to get over the hill, the new Expo Line line is drawing Valley residents, some of whom are commuting by public transportation for the first time. Until two weeks ago, North Hollywood resident George Araujo, 35, had never regularly ridden a bus or a train in Los Angeles. On Tuesday night, about 6 p.m, he boarded a train in Culver City and leaned back in the seat. "It takes about the same amount of time as driving, but it's lot easier," said Araujo, whose commute from Culver City, where he works an art director, takes about an hour to North Hollywood. Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials don't have figures on how many of the 14,000 daily Expo Line boardings are Valley residents. But in an email, Metro manager and analyst R. Scott Page, wrote that staff "observations at 7th/Metro show that trains coming from North Hollywood deposit a large number of patrons at this station who are seen moving upstairs to the Metro Blue and Expo Lines platform." And Valley residents were found on 11 out of 12 Expo Line trips taken by a Daily News reporter last week. For many, the Expo Line replaces an uncomfortable bus trip. Sherman Oaks resident Earl Jordan, an executive at West Angeles Church in Crenshaw, used to take a Rapid Bus down Wilshire Boulevard from the Red Line. Now he picks up the Expo Line downtown. "The bus," sighed Jordan on a recent morning, "is bumpy. This is so much smoother and quieter. I'll read. I'll do the emails going in." Jordan isn't sure if the commute - which takes about 50 minutes - is faster than if he drives his car, but the savings is significant: With a company discount, he spends $155 on an annual Metro pass, or about $3 a week on his commute. Valley residents aren't just using the train for work. Both North Hollywood resident Dairenn Lombard and his wife own cars, but they recently traveled to an exhibition at the California Science Center near USC on the Red and Expo lines. He also commutes four days a week to his job at the edge of Culver City - a trip that involves the Red Line, the Expo Line, two buses and takes about 90 minutes. "There's just no easy way to get to the Westside from the Valley," said Lombard, who saves about $300 a month by leaving his car at home. "This is as efficient as it gets." But it is still mass transit. The ride may be smoother than the bus, but riders argue the Expo Line slows to a crawl as it leaves downtown. There are also Simi Valley resident John Trotter rides the new Metro Expo Line to work Tuesday, July 11, 2012. Trotter starts his day in Simi Valley and rides several different Metro lines to get to work. (Andy Holzman/Staff Photographer) complaints of fare dodgers and graffiti on the train. Transit officials hope one day to build a direct rail system connecting the Valley with the Westside. A Metro report expected this fall will offer proposals for the Sepulveda Pass, including a subway under the mountains. Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who helped champion the opening of the Expo Line, sounded amazed to hear the line is becoming popular with Valley commuters. "I wish I could say I planned this. ... It is unanticipated," Yaroslavsky said, adding the trend reflects the growing connectivity of the area's bus and rail lines. The opening of the Orange Line busway in 2005 brought more riders to the Red Line, he said. Additionally, the opening of the Red Line to North Hollywood in 2000 resulted in an increase in bus service along Wilshire Boulevard, as Valley commuters connected to buses to head west after coming over the hill. The Valley's rush to the Expo Line also shows that people really don't want to battle traffic, Yaroslavsky added. "It's a reflection of how screwed up traffic is in this city that commuters are doing this circuitous route." dakota.smith@dailynews.com 818-713-3761 twitter.com/dakotacdsmith A SFV/Westside rail line is starting to look more attractive now, eh?
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Post by spokker on Jul 17, 2012 12:28:30 GMT -8
I was surprised to hear of a guy from Chatsworth on Expo. Should've spent $1 billion on the rail tunnel instead of a carpool lane.
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Post by darrell on Jul 17, 2012 12:32:01 GMT -8
... Here's a 9/10/10 photo of the switches and crossing. Do we know which frog is the problem? The LA Times today notes, "County transit officials have said the problem presents a derailment risk for southbound Blue Line trains." In other words, it must be the frog on the far left.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 17, 2012 14:32:00 GMT -8
Shawn said above that it's on the outer rail on Track 2; so, it's the outermost frog. You can't see it well in your photo.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 17, 2012 15:19:17 GMT -8
I got to read the letter sent from CPUC Consumer Protection and Safety Division to Metro and Expo. After CPUC realized that Metro/Expo has no intention of replacing the frog, they wrote a really harsh letter, requesting immediate replacement of the frog or else. Here is the summary: - CPUC directs Metro/Expo to replace the frog
- CPUC directs Metro/Expo to immediately comply with the earlier letter in March
- Since the earlier letter, the weld broke twice and in neither case Metro/Expo notified the CPUC
- ATP on the Expo Line (I am guessing ATP all along the line, not just at the junction) still doesn't work as designed, by which Metro is violating the previous letter's requirements
- The weld fix to the frog will not be accepted by CPUC and Metro/Expo needs to send CPUC a timetable by August 20, 2012, on the installation of a newly manufactured replacement frog
- If Metro/Expo chooses not to replace the frog immediately, which is on the southbound track at the junction, where the Blue Line track diverges from the Expo Line track, Metro must stop the southbound Blue Line operations through the junction
- Metro/Expo also needs to provide a timetable to fix the ATP along the Expo Line and must follow Metro's instructions and speed restrictions on dealing with the abnormal ATP behavior and keep contact with CPUC on this
- This will be followed by a formal CPUC order
Here is a very brief summary of the earlier letter on March 14: CPUC says Expo and Metro submitted the safety and security verification reports before the problems were resolved. Prevenue service should not be started before these problems are resolved. The problems are described to be mainly ATP-related, and CPUC urges Metro/Expo not to treat problems with the ATP system losing communication as a nuisance but a safety concern. Then, there is a whole list of inspections at the junction. Apparently the diamond, in addition to the frog, at the junction was also problematic at that time. Since the new letter doesn't mention the diamond, I am guessing that Expo's modifications has fixed it. Then the March letter finishes with a list of inspections for the trains, particularly center pins, wheels, brake rigging, dog bones, and all suspension components so that any derailment hazard occurring due to a damage at the improperly built junction is immediately identified.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jul 17, 2012 19:12:46 GMT -8
Shawn said above that it's on the outer rail on Track 2; so, it's the outermost frog. You can't see it well in your photo. It was definitely track 2, but I'm not as positive about which rail it was. To the best of my recollection they were cutting (could have been welding, but I think cutting) in the area below. I thought that they were cutting that piece in the middle of that area, but that doesn't seem to make sense from the descriptions of the problems with the frog. Maybe it's related peripherally or maybe my memory is bad and they were on a different section of rail.
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Post by joemagruder on Jul 17, 2012 19:33:55 GMT -8
What is it about this frog that is different from all the other street railway frogs, let alone railway frogs, in existence?
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Post by pithecanthropus on Jul 18, 2012 11:29:57 GMT -8
In case anyone here didn't see the L.A. Times article yesterday: State Orders Expo Line officials to replace flawed piece of trackFrom the article, it sounds rather serious. Is this going to knock the Expo line out of commission for an extended time? (If the Times' website won't let you read the article by using my link, try googling for it by the title.)
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Post by Elson on Jul 18, 2012 12:04:05 GMT -8
To my eye, the encircled section of diverging track looks unusually straight (especially closest to the frog) and does not follow the curvature of the diverging track. It's close enough for rock & roll for a slow-moving train to roll through without incident, but with several trains running through it during the course of a day, it's not good to take chances. I can't see the frog detail, but it might have been built in a way that is susceptible to throw the wheels off the track. Also understand that being made of steel, railroad track expands and contracts according to weather conditions.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 12:51:24 GMT -8
From the article, it sounds rather serious. Is this going to knock the Expo line out of commission for an extended time? I actually saw and read the CPUC letter and summarized it above. My post is more informative than the LA Times article. Currently, the Blue Line is at immediate risk, not the Expo Line. The problem is the southbound Blue Line trains going through the frog where the Blue Line tracks diverge from the Expo Line tracks at the junction. If Expo/Metro chooses not to replace the frog immediately, CPUC is directing Metro to cease the southbound Blue Line operations through the junction. This is indeed serious. Therefore, the junction is the Blue Line's problem, not the Expo Line's. The Expo Line's problem is the ATP not operating as it was designed. If they don't fix the jerky rides on the Expo Line, caused by ATP problems, soon, CPUC may lose patience and they may ask Metro to cease the Expo Line operations until they fix the ATP. CPUC says ATP problems are not only a nuisance but can also be a safety concern. Incidentally, I saw a westbound train at La Cienega dwelling for 5 minutes -- possibly because of the ATP problems in the Culver City section. It could also be because of poor coordination of turning the trains around in Culver City.
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Post by spokker on Jul 18, 2012 14:10:17 GMT -8
So the ATP problems weren't just a figment of my imagination.
Sounds like they should start the bus bridges and get this thing fixed.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 14:34:11 GMT -8
Sounds like they should start the bus bridges and get this thing fixed. You don't need to close the line to fix the ATP. It's a software update and can be fixed and tested at night. Already 20+k people have changed their commuting habits. Closing the line would be a nightmare for them. A few slowdowns or stalls, perhaps adding a minute or two occasionally to the trip time, is much better than going back to riding the bus for an hour or more.
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Post by JerardWright on Jul 18, 2012 14:39:23 GMT -8
Sounds like they should start the bus bridges and get this thing fixed. You don't need to close the line to fix the ATP. It's a software update and can be fixed and tested at night. Already 20k+ people have changed their commuting habits. Closing the line would be a nightmare for them. A few slowdowns or stalls, perhaps adding a minute or two occasionally to the trip time, is much better than going back to riding the bus for an hour or more. Software and relation to the trains that operate on this. If this problem with the ATP is just the Nippon Sharyo LRV's or the Siemens LRV's? There are ways of managing this such as running one of the other trains independently on one of the lines only. Also the ATP was a last minute add-on issued for political reasons by the CPUC that hasn't worked out right. My hunch is that all these concerns are political smokescreen for CPUC, of course they are going to sound stern because it have to cover the fact that they delayed for flimsy reasons in the first place and then they approved it after they've delayed it for so long.
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Post by JerardWright on Jul 18, 2012 14:45:56 GMT -8
Here's the California Public Utilities Commission letter to Metro and Expo (PDF). Key text: Please provide me with a written timetable for the expedited replacement of an appropriately designed, manufactured, and installed frog for this junction by August 20, 2012. The current frog is unacceptable; it is a non-standard frog with a non-standard "fix" and a repeatedly failing weld. Metro's response letter states, Our first step is to correct a defect in a small portion of the track commonly called the “frog” as it relates to the junction where the new Expo Line meets the Metro Blue Line at Washington and Flower near downtown Los Angeles. This was completed last Friday. They replaced a frog that fast? No, they simply fixed the defect, it never stated the frog was replaced.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 15:01:53 GMT -8
No, they simply fixed the defect, it never stated the frog was replaced. I think the new frog needs to be redesigned and then manufactured from the scratch. It's time-consuming and expensive. That's why CPUC gave Metro until August to have a timetable on the frog replacement or else cease the service on the southbound Blue Line.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jul 18, 2012 18:08:29 GMT -8
Sounds like they should start the bus bridges and get this thing fixed. You don't need to close the line to fix the ATP. It's a software update and can be fixed and tested at night. Already 20+k people have changed their commuting habits. Closing the line would be a nightmare for them. A few slowdowns or stalls, perhaps adding a minute or two occasionally to the trip time, is much better than going back to riding the bus for an hour or more. Maybe they should prepare for the nightmare because fixing the ATP is proving to be very difficult for some reason. And now with the junction needing to be redesigned and replaced, it's looking like Expo commuters are going to have some hard times in the next few months. And blue line commuters are completely screwed. My impression of the letter is that the CPUC is not going to let Metro continue with the fixes/inspections even as they redesign the new junction and that riders could be looking at weeks and maybe months of bus bridges.
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Post by macross287 on Jul 18, 2012 18:49:18 GMT -8
I can't imagine fixing the junction should take more than a couple of weekend closures. SF Muni regular replaces section of track on weekends, I just don't get why Metro is being so stubborn on not replacing the the defective part of the junction.
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Post by pithecanthropus on Jul 18, 2012 20:20:51 GMT -8
I can't imagine fixing the junction should take more than a couple of weekend closures. SF Muni regular replaces section of track on weekends, I just don't get why Metro is being so stubborn on not replacing the the defective part of the junction. Maybe because everything in this town takes twenty to forty years longer? I do recall reading that it's really a Blue Line issue, so to speak, but it's everyone's problem, or at least everyone who cares about and uses public transit in L.A. Any protracted closure of the Blue Line would be a public relations nightmare, as Metro may still be perceived as putting the final shine on the new line to the Westside, while the Blue Line that runs through the poorer areas to the south would be out of service. That would not look good.
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Post by pithecanthropus on Jul 18, 2012 22:36:27 GMT -8
I don't know why anyone would be taken by surprise here. I'd be surprised if thousands of daily commuters don't eventually ride Expo to the Westside every morning, especially after Phase II and the Downtown Connector are completed. LRT to Santa Monica will make MetroLink viable for many more commuters from the Inland Empire to the Westside.
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