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Post by davebowman on May 24, 2016 8:42:40 GMT -8
I caught the EB train at about 8:00am this morning at Bergamot Station. It was another two-car train, and it eventually filled but it was not packed to the gills like yesterday. That could mean a)yesterday's overflow situation was an aberration due to the early morning accident at Crenshaw, or b)some people who had a bad experience yesterday decided not to try it again today. But the train was full, everyone was calm and collected, and the train seemed to get to USC a couple minutes faster than yesterday, so all-in-all it was a very pleasant and smooth experience.
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Post by Gokhan on May 24, 2016 12:59:23 GMT -8
What are the chances of an idiot driving through the fence on the first Monday, right?
Phase 2 ridership is really good. Trains are already packing most of its riders in the Phase 2 section, not the Phase 1 section. If the Phase 1 ridership was 30,000, I would think that the current ridership is 90,000 but I know this is not the case because many people ride Expo for a short distance in the Downtown section. I think it's already over 50,000 - 55,000 though, which puts is above all light-rail lines except the Blue Line. It may exceed the Blue Line soon if the quality of the service is good.
I am surprised how much the Green Line ridership has fallen, only 37,000 now.
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Post by masonite on May 24, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -8
What are the chances of an idiot driving through the fence on the first Monday, right? Phase 2 ridership is really good. Trains are already packing most of its riders in the Phase 2 section, not the Phase 1 section. If the Phase 1 ridership was 30,000, I would think that the current ridership is 90,000 but I know this is not the case because many people ride Expo for a short distance in the Downtown section. I think it's already over 50,000 - 55,000 though, which puts is above all light-rail lines except the Blue Line. It may exceed the Blue Line soon if the quality of the service is good. I am surprised how much the Green Line ridership has fallen, only 37,000 now. LA Times reported over 12k taps at new stations with about half at DTSM. Bundy was second most. Westwood/Rancho Park was the least. Of course, you can't quite say that additional ridership was 24k, because some people that may have boarded at Culver City before Phase II opened are now starting their journeys farther West, but it is probably safe to say at least 20k. Not bad at all for the first weekday.
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Post by Gokhan on May 24, 2016 15:25:07 GMT -8
Other than the DTSM terminal, Palms, Sepulveda, and Bundy Stations are the most popular. It's interesting that the Westwood Station was found to be by far the most popular after DTSM (~ 4,500 riders) in the EIR but it's the least popular right now. They had also found the Palms Station the least popular in the EIR but it's one of the most popular in reality. thesource.metro.net/2016/05/24/expo-line-ridership-numbers-from-mondays-commute/Palms: 1,016 TAP entries. Westwood/Rancho Park: 661 TAP entries. Expo/Sepulveda: 1,150 TAP entries. Expo/Bundy: 1,376 TAP entries. 26th St/Bergamot: 853 TAP entries. 17th St/SMC: 1,020 TAP entries. Downtown Santa Monica: 5,982 TAP entries.
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Post by joshuanickel on May 24, 2016 16:16:25 GMT -8
Other than the DTSM terminal, Palms, Sepulveda, and Bundy Stations are the most popular. It's interesting that the Westwood Station was found to be by far the most popular after DTSM (~ 4,500 riders) in the EIR but it's the least popular right now. They had also found the Palms Station the least popular in the EIR but it's one of the most popular in reality. thesource.metro.net/2016/05/24/expo-line-ridership-numbers-from-mondays-commute/Palms: 1,016 TAP entries. Westwood/Rancho Park: 661 TAP entries. Expo/Sepulveda: 1,150 TAP entries. Expo/Bundy: 1,376 TAP entries. 26th St/Bergamot: 853 TAP entries. 17th St/SMC: 1,020 TAP entries. Downtown Santa Monica: 5,982 TAP entries. Palms station is probably the easiest for connections to Century City considering the peak hour line 5 bus service between that station and Century City. I also expect the Westwood station to gain more riders as the UCLA students get wind of it, though you may need to wait until the fall for that to happen. One thing that I really appreciate is that the automated announcements tell you what bus connections are available at each station.
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Post by joshuanickel on May 24, 2016 16:21:27 GMT -8
Other than the DTSM terminal, Palms, Sepulveda, and Bundy Stations are the most popular. It's interesting that the Westwood Station was found to be by far the most popular after DTSM (~ 4,500 riders) in the EIR but it's the least popular right now. They had also found the Palms Station the least popular in the EIR but it's one of the most popular in reality. thesource.metro.net/2016/05/24/expo-line-ridership-numbers-from-mondays-commute/Palms: 1,016 TAP entries. Westwood/Rancho Park: 661 TAP entries. Expo/Sepulveda: 1,150 TAP entries. Expo/Bundy: 1,376 TAP entries. 26th St/Bergamot: 853 TAP entries. 17th St/SMC: 1,020 TAP entries. Downtown Santa Monica: 5,982 TAP entries. It is interesting that the story refers to it as "TAP entries" since the stations with the highest ridership are the one with actual fare gates (Palms, Sepulveda, Bundy, and Downtown SM). Of course, 17th/SMC does not have gates and is slightly higher than Palms. I just thought I would point that out.
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Post by jpjstarfleet on May 27, 2016 18:12:45 GMT -8
Hello! first time poster, long time viewer, I wanted to give an Expo ride report, I Live in Pasadena close to the Sierra Madre station, so I took the Gold Line to the Red Line, then Expo, the ride to Santa Monica was fine, it was slower on the new section after Culver City, especially in the Northvale Trench?? coming back was another story...
I got on a two car train in SM at 3:40pm, the operator along the way made an anoucement that there would be an extended stop at Bundy because they were going to add on a 3rd car, we got there and sure enough about 5-7 minutes later they added the 3rd car but then things got interesting... we sat there for another 5+ minutes then a two car train from LA showed up, we were then told to exit our train and get onto that train that just got in from LA because it was going back to LA and our train was going back to Santa Monica! I decided to wait for the next train to arrive instead of crossing the platform because it was already standing room only, while I waited for a new train, the one that was going back to LA closed it doors and sat there for a good 10 minuets! it finally left and a new train two car train arrived from Santa Monica, it was crush loads! I could barely get in the doors, the trip back toward LA was slow and horrible, very very jerky, seams like we never made it above 25mph, I was standing in the very front looking out the operators window, when we got to Culver City, I noticed I could see the previous train that I did not get on just ahead of us! clearly in visual range maybe a mile ahead of us, that would explain the slow orders along the way.
What the hell? what happen to the train ahead that it got so far behind after leaving Bundy that we caught up to it? and was that Bundy debacle? I got off at Expo Park/USC (wanted to see the Shuttle Fuel Tank) and got back on about 45 minuets later back to LA, btw.. the Gold Line was fast, smooth and beautiful (as always)
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Post by Gokhan on May 27, 2016 19:25:12 GMT -8
Hello! first time poster, long time viewer, I wanted to give an Expo ride report, I Live in Pasadena close to the Sierra Madre station, so I took the Gold Line to the Red Line, then Expo, the ride to Santa Monica was fine, it was slower on the new section after Culver City, especially in the Northvale Trench?? coming back was another story... I got on a two car train in SM at 3:40pm, the operator along the way made an anoucement that there would be an extended stop at Bundy because they were going to add on a 3rd car, we got there and sure enough about 5-7 minutes later they added the 3rd car but then things got interesting... we sat there for another 5+ minutes then a two car train from LA showed up, we were then told to exit our train and get onto that train that just got in from LA because it was going back to LA and our train was going back to Santa Monica! I decided to wait for the next train to arrive instead of crossing the platform because it was already standing room only, while I waited for a new train, the one that was going back to LA closed it doors and sat there for a good 10 minuets! it finally left and a new train two car train arrived from Santa Monica, it was crush loads! I could barely get in the doors, the trip back toward LA was slow and horrible, very very jerky, seams like we never made it above 25mph, I was standing in the very front looking out the operators window, when we got to Culver City, I noticed I could see the previous train that I did not get on just ahead of us! clearly in visual range maybe a mile ahead of us, that would explain the slow orders along the way. What the hell? what happen to the train ahead that it got so far behind after leaving Bundy that we caught up to it? and was that Bundy debacle? I got off at Expo Park/USC (wanted to see the Shuttle Fuel Tank) and got back on about 45 minuets later back to LA, btw.. the Gold Line was fast, smooth and beautiful (as always) Thanks. It's very interesting that they would add a car outside the yard. Northvale Road Trench and the Palms Overhead Tunnel are a little slow because of the curves but it's a nonissue. It's much faster than it would be if it went on the Venice/Sepulveda Boulevards diversion. Yes, two-car trains are a problem. Hopefully they will tune all the new Kinkisharyo P3010 cars soon so that they could run three-car trains at all times. Service should get much better in a few months.
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Post by culvercitylocke on May 28, 2016 15:00:00 GMT -8
Other than our tap cards being expired for some reason we didnt have much trouble.
We rode from Culver to Santa Monica on a three car old train it was herky jerky the whole way but we didn't hit a red until Lincoln and then also sixth. Very good time length for the trip I thought, faster than surface street but slightly slower than the freeway.
Waited forever on an increasingly crowded platform at 230 to return.
finally a two car new train limped into the station with excruciating slowness and metro personnel went around saying the train was broken and couldn't be used.
About seven minutes later a three car old train showed up and the two car train passengers were still trying to exit the platform as it was so packed, people could only exit single file on the yellow sidings. Needless to say the three car train was fairly full, probably forty people standing and every seat taken--so about half the amount of people standing as you find on any typical 720 bus.
The return trip was super smooth, other than a loud bang and shaking exiting one of the stations that caused all the running lights to go out and the train to coast for about thirty seconds before power resumed to the metal on metal shrieking sound of the overhead thingy contacting the wires.
Since parking at 3rd street in Santa Monica is plentiful and cheaper than two train tickets I doubt we will use the line very often. But if I were single it'd be awesome. There were tons of other families using the train along with us, and about a third of our train car was very elderly.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 6, 2016 18:14:07 GMT -8
After the busy first week, Phase 2 ridership has been very weak. I wonder if it has to do with initial riders being discouraged by two-car trains, slow service, accidents, and breakdowns. You would think many people would be taking the train to Santa Monica.
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Post by masonite on Jun 6, 2016 18:41:00 GMT -8
After the busy first week, Phase 2 ridership has been very weak. I wonder if it has to do with initial riders being discouraged by two-car trains, slow service, accidents, and breakdowns. You would think many people would be taking the train to Santa Monica. Too bad. I know there have been a lot of complaints about reliability, speed, and severe crowding where people couldn't even board the train. I wonder how full the various parking lots are? Also, are the loads evenly distributed both directions or are people mostly using it to commute to the Westside for work? I plan to use it for just the second time next week to go to the Grammy Museum for an event. I'm sure it will beat the nightmarish traffic at that time, but not looking forward to 2 car trains.
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Post by TransportationZ on Jun 6, 2016 18:49:57 GMT -8
After the busy first week, Phase 2 ridership has been very weak. I wonder if it has to do with initial riders being discouraged by two-car trains, slow service, accidents, and breakdowns. You would think many people would be taking the train to Santa Monica. Those are 4 big things that will discourage people from riding, especially choice riders. At least in traffic you are in comfort of your car. Expo is not only slow, but you have to be smashed in like sardines. Something needs to really be done about the signals in Los Angeles. Until we see real signal priority(not those pseudo-priority techniques outlined in Metro's grade crossing policy doc), the line is not going to see its full potential. I overheard complaints of it being slow at least 5 different times during the course of the two opening days. Plus, the whole system seems to be suffering from the waning ridership of the Blue and Red lines, which are the system's heavy hitters. The network effect can work with us or against us. The Red Line seems to have lost 20,000 daily riders in the past 5 years, the Blue losing 8,000 year over year from 2014. The only line that's not suffering right now is the Gold Line. Certainly Metro's blitz to increase fares(which is needed) is probably not helping either.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jun 6, 2016 21:17:12 GMT -8
We are choice riders and we don't use expo because it is more expensive and more time consuming than driving and parking. The inconvenience and cost, not the performance are why we don't use it. It is an incredible value when attending usc games though
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Post by TransportationZ on Jun 7, 2016 6:37:11 GMT -8
We are choice riders and we don't use expo because it is more expensive and more time consuming than driving and parking. The inconvenience and cost, not the performance are why we don't use it. It is an incredible value when attending usc games though "Time consuming" is directly related to the speed of the line. You must live fairly close to SM, because there's no way in hell the gas, parking and the added mileage on the car would be cheaper than 2 metro tickets for me.
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Post by masonite on Jun 7, 2016 9:12:30 GMT -8
We are choice riders and we don't use expo because it is more expensive and more time consuming than driving and parking. The inconvenience and cost, not the performance are why we don't use it. It is an incredible value when attending usc games though "Time consuming" is directly related to the speed of the line. You must live fairly close to SM, because there's no way in hell the gas, parking and the added mileage on the car would be cheaper than 2 metro tickets for me. Most people only consider direct costs such gas and parking. Then when they get a giant car repair or tire replacement bill, they probably just throw it on the credit card and attribute it to bad luck. When they need a new car they just get a loan or a lease and attribute the payment to living. Traffic coming out of Santa Monica even on weekend afternoons can be pretty brutal too. With summer coming it only gets worse. Hard to believe Expo can't be pretty time competitive for a lot of people. A lot of people don't realize parking cash out programs exist at their employment. I've been walking to my job for the past 10 years and while my company does not pay out much for their program it has grossed me $9k over that time. It is taxed, but it isn't nothing.
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Jun 7, 2016 10:02:10 GMT -8
We are choice riders and we don't use expo because it is more expensive and more time consuming than driving and parking. The inconvenience and cost, not the performance are why we don't use it. It is an incredible value when attending usc games though As a person who voluntarily gave up his car for Metro Rail (an 8 minute trip to work every morning), buses, ride hailing, Zipcars (now with one-way trips!), and walk/biking car ownership is daunting to jump back into considering the costs that by the sound of it owners ignore such as auto loan, fuel, insurance, unforeseen maintenance, stress from traffic delays, parking tickets, and the cost of monthly parking (in my case $100/mo) etc in a non-hybrid that could be conservatively 20% of near-average income annually. My $100 monthly transit pass cost is also reduced to $40 by my job as pre-tax benefit which is a tough bargain to beat.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 7, 2016 15:37:48 GMT -8
It took Expo Line Phase 1 to reach the current ridership about a year. So, whatever Phase 2 ridership will be, we will know by next summer.
I don't like it when initial riders are discouraged by poor service. I hope that's not the case with most initial Phase 2 riders.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jun 7, 2016 21:31:04 GMT -8
We are choice riders and we don't use expo because it is more expensive and more time consuming than driving and parking. The inconvenience and cost, not the performance are why we don't use it. It is an incredible value when attending usc games though As a person who voluntarily gave up his car for Metro Rail (an 8 minute trip to work every morning), buses, ride hailing, Zipcars (now with one-way trips!), and walk/biking car ownership is daunting to jump back into considering the costs that by the sound of it owners ignore such as auto loan, fuel, insurance, unforeseen maintenance, stress from traffic delays, parking tickets, and the cost of monthly parking (in my case $100/mo) etc in a non-hybrid that could be conservatively 20% of near-average income annually. My $100 monthly transit pass cost is also reduced to $40 by my job as pre-tax benefit which is a tough bargain to beat. Not really a consideration, we don't commute to Santa Monica, we might occasionally go there on weekends for A fun mini day trip. Going as a family means buying two adult fares, each way which is substantially more than parking at Santa Monica place.
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Post by masonite on Jun 10, 2016 8:11:10 GMT -8
Took Expo into Downtown last night around 5:00. Quick observations:
1. Plenty of ridership. Platform at Bundy was pretty crowded. Even with 3 car trains, it will be tight. Even going back at 8:00, it was pretty packed. 2. Lots of people going between stations not just Downtown SM and LA. 3. Culver City is still a heavily used station and the parking lot looked more crowded than before Phase II opened. La Cienega seemed very busy as well, which wasn't the case with Phase 1. 4. All two-car trains. Didn't see one 3 car in either direction both ways I rode. It got pretty ugly in the train I rode on with a near fight as it was crush loads and people huddle by the doors and don't go into the middle of the train, although this ended up being full eventually too. 5. Phase II isn't all that fast even in the trench. Not slow, but this line will never be a speed demon and will be Metro's slowest overall line probably forever. I didn't time my train, but I think it stuck to the schedule. They had trouble closing the doors at a couple of stations due to the crowding though so we were probably off a minute or two. 6. I finally got to ride in a new car on the way back as I didn't get to on opening day either. Seemed nice and pretty comfortable. I think they are having a lot of problems breaking them in though. Didn't see a lot of them on the line and the announcements were not working. There was a conductor riding in the rear car with us with the window open and he shouted out the stops. 7. Parking at Bundy was wide open. It is all permit and they had signs if you wanted to pay cash to go to 17th Street or Sepulveda. Not sure how realistic that is though since 17th Street is tiny and Sepulveda is on the other side of the freeway which can be a 30 minute drive. Since these spaces are not in a lot I imagine they will never be able to charge cash here.
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Post by bzcat on Jun 10, 2016 16:17:45 GMT -8
It seems that the new P3010 trains are very slow compare to the older train. I rode the line 3 times on the P3010 and each time, the train was 6 or 7 minutes behind schedule by the time it reaches USC. But when I rode on the older trains, they were either right on the mark or just slightly behind schedule.
Yesterday, I decided to drive and took Exposition Blvd just so I can see the trains swoosh by as I drive. I saw a P3010 going very slow westbound from La Brea to Crenshaw. I past it before reaching Farmdale just driving at the 35 mph speed limit and then I reached Crenshaw. I was trying to make a right turn on Crenshaw but the line to make a right was very long so I ended up waiting for 2 red light cycles. The P3010 pulled into Crenshaw station after 2 red light cycles and was immediately followed by a P2000, which had to wait outside the station until the P3010 departs the platform (if you are doing the math... it means the P3010 I saw is at least 12 minutes behind schedule and it didn't even reach USC yet). Of course the P3010 had to wait for the red light to change so the P2000 train waited just outside Crenshaw station for at least 2 minutes. During that time, 2 southbound 710 and 1 southbound 210 buses stopped and left bus stop at Crenshaw/Expo with lots of unamused people standing at the crosswalk waiting to get from Expo station to the bus stop. It was surreal and honestly very embarrassing performance by Metro.
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Post by f ron on Jun 10, 2016 19:12:36 GMT -8
Looks like the May ridership numbers are out. Metro is claiming 39,000 boardings for May. Since the opening of phase 2 was late in the month it's hard to read the tea leaves. The net increase in boardings is 10,000 over the previous month. So, about 5,000 more bodies in the morning hours and 5,000 more in the evening, spread out, more or less. Right?
Anyone recall what the opening month figure for Phase 1 was? Did the line open at the beginning of the month or towards the end?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jun 11, 2016 19:06:28 GMT -8
Took Expo into Downtown last night around 5:00. Quick observations: 1. Plenty of ridership. Platform at Bundy was pretty crowded. Even with 3 car trains, it will be tight. Even going back at 8:00, it was pretty packed. 2. Lots of people going between stations not just Downtown SM and LA. 3. Culver City is still a heavily used station and the parking lot looked more crowded than before Phase II opened. La Cienega seemed very busy as well, which wasn't the case with Phase 1. 4. All two-car trains. Didn't see one 3 car in either direction both ways I rode. It got pretty ugly in the train I rode on with a near fight as it was crush loads and people huddle by the doors and don't go into the middle of the train, although this ended up being full eventually too. 5. Phase II isn't all that fast even in the trench. Not slow, but this line will never be a speed demon and will be Metro's slowest overall line probably forever. I didn't time my train, but I think it stuck to the schedule. They had trouble closing the doors at a couple of stations due to the crowding though so we were probably off a minute or two. 6. I finally got to ride in a new car on the way back as I didn't get to on opening day either. Seemed nice and pretty comfortable. I think they are having a lot of problems breaking them in though. Didn't see a lot of them on the line and the announcements were not working. There was a conductor riding in the rear car with us with the window open and he shouted out the stops. 7. Parking at Bundy was wide open. It is all permit and they had signs if you wanted to pay cash to go to 17th Street or Sepulveda. Not sure how realistic that is though since 17th Street is tiny and Sepulveda is on the other side of the freeway which can be a 30 minute drive. Since these spaces are not in a lot I imagine they will never be able to charge cash here. Thanks for the report. I was driving along the expo line thursday between 5:30pm and 6:00pm and can confirm that as I sat in traffic watching many trains pass, that all I saw were two car trains and they ranged from full with a few standees to packed/crush loaded. Especially headed towards downtown, but pretty crowded both ways.
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Post by davebowman on Jun 13, 2016 8:24:50 GMT -8
This morning was the first messed-up commute for me on the Expo Line since I started taking the train three weeks ago (arrived at work 20 minutes late), and it made me want to be back in my car stuck in traffic on the 10 freeway again. Evidently the delays were caused by a disabled train. When I check the service alerts on thesource.metro.net it seems there are a lot of problems on the metro system every day. Is this something I should get used to?
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 13, 2016 14:38:34 GMT -8
This morning was the first messed-up commute for me on the Expo Line since I started taking the train three weeks ago (arrived at work 20 minutes late), and it made me want to be back in my car stuck in traffic on the 10 freeway again. Evidently the delays were caused by a disabled train. When I check the service alerts on thesource.metro.net it seems there are a lot of problems on the metro system every day. Is this something I should get used to? I would say they happen every few months or so and if you are lucky, only about once a year. However, even when you drive, occasionally there will be accidents, traffic jams, breakdowns (dead batteries), etc. and you will be late to work. Seldom 20-minute-late to work is no big deal unless you miss an important meeting. If you have an important meeting or a class teach, it's a good idea to aim half hour early just in case.
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Post by f ron on Jun 13, 2016 15:46:07 GMT -8
This morning was the first messed-up commute for me on the Expo Line since I started taking the train three weeks ago (arrived at work 20 minutes late), and it made me want to be back in my car stuck in traffic on the 10 freeway again. Evidently the delays were caused by a disabled train. When I check the service alerts on thesource.metro.net it seems there are a lot of problems on the metro system every day. Is this something I should get used to? As someone who both works and lives adjacent to the line I've become quite aware of when things "go quiet". I'll often check the Metro service alert feed to confirm and discover that it's something like a disabled train. Often that seems to be the culprit. Since June 1st there have been 8 delays on the Expo Line ranging from anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes that go on for an hour or more. So, at least in the past two weeks, its about every other day that such an event takes place. Since the line opened two morning commutes have been interrupted. Given the random nature of the events it's really a matter of chance as to how or when any given rider would be affected. That said, an event every two days or so sounds rather frequent to me. Even if you're not experiencing them they've been happening on a regular basis.
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Post by gatewaygent on Jun 13, 2016 20:23:13 GMT -8
So what's slowing it down? Is it the tunnel under I-10? I've only ridden it once, but boy did the LRV hug the walls! And where are all those new cars?
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 14, 2016 16:00:33 GMT -8
So what's slowing it down? Is it the tunnel under I-10? I've only ridden it once, but boy did the LRV hug the walls! And where are all those new cars? The tunnel and trench is not the issue. There are a lot of silly speed restrictions along the entire Phase 2 alignment, including station approaches, and the last mile is street-running. They also seem to stop and wait for a couple of minutes at the Stewart Street yard. They run many two-car P3010 sets on the Expo Line. And there are a lot of breakdowns, such as the major delays today, and the crowded two-car P3010 trains are requiring minute-long dwells at the stations. However, one street guitarist on the P3010 train from Santa Monica was praising the train today, saying that the bus was taking two hours.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jun 14, 2016 17:14:04 GMT -8
So what's slowing it down? Is it the tunnel under I-10? I've only ridden it once, but boy did the LRV hug the walls! And where are all those new cars? Radius of the curve in and out of the tunnel determines max speed.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 14, 2016 19:37:30 GMT -8
The tunnel is only 375-ft-long. The speed limit is due to the sharp curves in the tunnel and both approaches and also the trench. Again, it's a nonissue. It's much faster than if it ran on the Venice/Sepulveda diversion.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 14, 2016 19:39:27 GMT -8
There was a breakdown earlier today and another one this evening. Problems, problems, problems all the time, in addition to crowded two-car trains. Phase 2 was opened prematurely.
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