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Post by spokker on Jun 6, 2012 14:09:14 GMT -8
Off topic, but speaking of possible Kings riots, Tom Leykis was talking about this on his show today. He read a story about Kings fans being told to "celebrate responsibly" and asked callers whether this was being done for politically correct reasons. He does not expect Kings riots, just like most people. Any discussion of possible Kings riots obviously circle steps the racial implications involved.
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Post by rubbertoe on Jun 11, 2012 5:14:41 GMT -8
May: 8,900 July: 11,200 September: 12,900
RT
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Post by bobdavis on Jun 11, 2012 21:17:51 GMT -8
Regarding taking Expo/Blue trains to the Convention Center: I find it quite amusing to attend the Auto Show using electric railway transport from East Pasadena to Chick Hearn station. I've also visited the Petersen Auto Museum by rail with only the last segment being on rubber tires because the subway doesn't go that far yet.
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Post by James Fujita on Jun 12, 2012 15:06:17 GMT -8
I just realized Anime Expo is going to be the same weekend as X Games. Right on top of each other, too.
AX is pretty big; but this anime fan has to admit that X Games at Staples Center has typically been a bigger event, with more streets likely to be closed. Either way, it's a potentially crowded situation at Pico Station. And "riding rails" takes on a whole new meaning with skateboarding.
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Post by tonyw79sfv on Jun 12, 2012 19:54:18 GMT -8
I just realized Anime Expo is going to be the same weekend as X Games. Right on top of each other, too. AX is pretty big; but this anime fan has to admit that X Games at Staples Center has typically been a bigger event, with more streets likely to be closed. Either way, it's a potentially crowded situation at Pico Station. And "riding rails" takes on a whole new meaning with skateboarding. That's quite unusual that the ESPN X Games are being held a month earlier than usual, and also on the same weekend as Anime Expo. Both events even by themselves bring in a large crowd to South Park Downtown L.A.; to have both running concurrently is going to be huge strain on the Pico Station. I hope Metro is aware of the possible crowds that weekend and look into operating longer trains or more frequency.
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Post by bobdavis on Jun 12, 2012 22:57:21 GMT -8
One would indeed hope that Metro is cognizant of the likelihood of big crowds this weekend. We'll see how it plays out, bearing in mind that the number of Anime and X-Games fans among the Metro management is probably rather small.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Jun 13, 2012 9:31:46 GMT -8
One would indeed hope that Metro is cognizant of the likelihood of big crowds this weekend. We'll see how it plays out, bearing in mind that the number of Anime and X-Games fans among the Metro management is probably rather small. Metro is running full 6 car trains during non-rush hour for tomorrow's Kings parade on the Red/Purple and 3 car trains on Blue/Gold/Expo, so Metro does make accomodations appropriately during significant LA events.
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Post by masonite on Jun 13, 2012 14:07:28 GMT -8
Looks like Expo ridership came in at 11,317 for May. Will be interesting to see how July performs with Culver City and Farmdale. Not sure we'll get up to 17k as I guessed in early May. I'd probably envision 15k given the disappointing number for May.
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Post by rubbertoe on Jun 13, 2012 16:09:38 GMT -8
Looks like Expo ridership came in at 11,317 for May. Will be interesting to see how July performs with Culver City and Farmdale. Not sure we'll get up to 17k as I guessed in early May. I'd probably envision 15k given the disappointing number for May. The May numbers aren't posted on the Metro website yet. Do you have access to an early release of the numbers? RT
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Jun 13, 2012 16:40:52 GMT -8
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 25, 2012 18:02:49 GMT -8
From my observations, ridership on the Expo Line is still very low. Culver City and Farmdale Stations don't appear to have helped much. It's probably around 12,000. We may have to wait until Phase 2 to see more people riding the line. Meanwhile, speeding up the Flower St section a bit and even the median-running section on Exposition, and lightening up with the paranoid operations at Farmdale (don't slow down the trains until they stop at the platform) should help boost the ridership.
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Post by macross287 on Jun 25, 2012 18:52:30 GMT -8
I guess I will also echo what some previous posters have said about the Expo Line not being a previously established transit corridor. It might take time for transit users and new riders to get used to the service much like the Pasadena Gold Line and the Eastside Gold Line, which seems to have already met its ridership predictions in a little over two years instead of the predicted 10. Though once USC opens up in the fall we could see a significant uptick in riders.
That said weekend ridership seems to have gone up since it went to Culver City. Trains coming to and from the West end of the line looked alot more crowded than they did when the line ended in La Cienega.
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Post by wad on Jun 26, 2012 3:18:30 GMT -8
From my observations, ridership on the Expo Line is still very low. Even the Blue Line was a failure in its first few years. A USC professor famously decreed it will forever be a ghost train. Lines need a few years to find their legs. Instead of poring over monthly ridership trends, Friedman units are better suited for ridership.
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Post by Elson on Jun 26, 2012 13:16:34 GMT -8
From my observations, ridership on the Expo Line is still very low. Tis true, only a small number of people line up at the gates and are early adopters. One of my friends lives walking distance from Expo/La Brea and he rode it starting 4/30 as part of his commute to Pasadena. The rest would be bus riders who took formerly took the same corridor and jumped to rail (though the bus lines that closely paralleled Expo weren't a very high ridership bus anyway). The silver lining is that eventually the most of the riders will be new converts to transit.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 16, 2012 14:27:37 GMT -8
So, that Red Line transfers article mentioned 14,000. Perhaps we're now around 15,000 in July? Once USC opens, we may climb toward 20,000.
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Post by masonite on Jul 16, 2012 15:30:25 GMT -8
So, that Red Line transfers article mentioned 14,000. Perhaps we're now around 15,000 in July? Once USC opens, we may climb toward 20,000. Stats are out for June. Expo already at 16,569. Culver City and its bus connections seem extremly popular. Really need to see July to have a sense of ridership for the line since CC was only open for a portion of June. All time high for rail ridership at 362k per weekday (of course we didn't have Expo before) and June-July seem to be the peak.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 16, 2012 15:52:22 GMT -8
Wow, Culver City only operated for 1/3 of June. Of course, there were free rides on the first day. Don't forget Farmdale either.
It must be more than 20,000 riders per week day now then.
Also, rail ridership is much higher than last year. Perhaps Expo Line is helping the other lines as well. It looks like antirail advocates are being proven wrong in their claim that adding more lines don't help increase the system ridership.
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Post by rubbertoe on Jul 16, 2012 16:01:14 GMT -8
Thanks for the heads up. I'll put together the ridership charts hopefully tonight. Since it's the end of June, that means all the graphs get updated. The 16,000 is very impressive up from 11,000.
RT
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Post by masonite on Jul 16, 2012 16:22:25 GMT -8
Wow, Culver City only operated for 1/3 of June. Of course, there were free rides on the first day. Don't forget Farmdale either. It must be more than 20,000 riders per week day now then. Also, rail ridership is much higher than last year. Perhaps Expo Line is helping the other lines as well. It looks like antirail advocates are being proven wrong in their claim that adding more lines don't help increase the system ridership. I think there are a lot more people riding Eastbound (in the morning) now with Culver City, because they can catch bus connections. If people are riding from places like Simi Valley and all parts of the Valley as the Daily News claims then that means people from other parts of the County are as well. I rode Sunday from La Cienega for the first time since before it was open to the public. A lot of people continued on to Culver City (some with bikes), others were talking about connecting to buses. Overall, it was a nice ride. 29 minutes in from La Cienega and 26 out. At 23rd Street Station on the way back, the doors did not open in my car and someone couldn't get out. Somebody else said it happens at that station all the time. Yikes. I wouldn't be too happy if that happened to me.
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Post by rayinla on Jul 16, 2012 16:40:41 GMT -8
Overall, it was a nice ride. 29 minutes in from La Cienega and 26 out. At 23rd Street Station on the way back, the doors did not open in my car and someone couldn't get out. Somebody else said it happens at that station all the time. Yikes. I wouldn't be too happy if that happened to me. I wound up riding Expo to Culver City on Saturday and Sunday and in both instances the automated announcement notified everyone that La Cienega was the final stop and they needed to get off the train. The operators then announced the train was continuing to Culver City but by then several people had already gotten off in confusion and didn't make it back on before the train pulled away.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 10:12:17 GMT -8
From my observations and the Metro's June average, for which the Culver City Station was open for only 1/3 of the month, the current Expo Line ridership might be as high as 27,000. So, it looks like it will easily exceed the Metro's estimated 2013 ridership of 27,000.
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Post by masonite on Jul 18, 2012 10:59:23 GMT -8
From my observations and the Metro's June average, for which the Culver City Station was open for only 1/3 of the month, the current Expo Line ridership might be as high as 27,000. So, it looks like it will easily exceed the Metro's estimated 2013 ridership of 27,000. Can you reasonably tell if there are more people heading East in the morning or West (may be tough to tell if you, yourself are only going East)?
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 11:05:52 GMT -8
From my observations and the Metro's June average, for which the Culver City Station was open for only 1/3 of the month, the current Expo Line ridership might be as high as 27,000. So, it looks like it will easily exceed the Metro's estimated 2013 ridership of 27,000. Can you reasonably tell if there are more people heading East in the morning or West (may be tough to tell if you, yourself are only going East)? Right, I can't tell much about the other direction. By the way, there are still a lot of joy riders on the train.
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Post by Elson on Jul 18, 2012 11:53:16 GMT -8
Just wondering, what if the Expo Line opened in its entirety to Santa Monica? Wonder what the ridership would be? And even with the current signaling/junction track issues.
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Post by jdrcrasher on Jul 18, 2012 12:08:22 GMT -8
^ Umm, off the charts? lol. jk
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Post by Elson on Jul 18, 2012 13:09:59 GMT -8
^ Umm, off the charts? lol. jk Just realized that the only Metro Rail line to open in its entirety (no phases opening in increments) was the Green Line -- all 20 miles of it opened in August 1995. The Blue Line was some 19 miles when it first opened 22 years ago. The LB loop and subway segment were phased in months later.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 14:07:21 GMT -8
Despite the negative comments by antirail groups and those pointing that Expo goes through industrial areas, it looks like Expo's ridership will be excellent. If we are already up to mid-20k, a few years after Phase 2 starts, it may compete with the Blue Line ridership and, who knows, it may even exceed that.
And imagine what if they built TODs around the line, converting the industrial areas around the station to commercial and residential areas. A Wal-Mart at Farmdale would bring the daily ridership of the Farmdale Station up to 20+k. LOL
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 18, 2012 18:57:43 GMT -8
Rush-hour ridership on the Expo Line seems to have doubled in comparison to about a month ago. It's very likely that the current ridership is around 25,000 or more. And wait until after they erect the really nice Expo Line sign at Venice and Robertson...
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Post by carter on Jul 18, 2012 21:34:11 GMT -8
From my observations and the Metro's June average, for which the Culver City Station was open for only 1/3 of the month, the current Expo Line ridership might be as high as 27,000. So, it looks like it will easily exceed the Metro's estimated 2013 ridership of 27,000. I'm nearly positive that it was an estimate for 2030, not 2013.
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Post by transitfan on Jul 19, 2012 6:47:40 GMT -8
^ Umm, off the charts? lol. jk Just realized that the only Metro Rail line to open in its entirety (no phases opening in increments) was the Green Line -- all 20 miles of it opened in August 1995. The Blue Line was some 19 miles when it first opened 22 years ago. The LB loop and subway segment were phased in months later. I remember it well. I was present for the first day of the initial segment (7/14/90) and the Metro Center extension (2/14/91--a rare weekday (Friday) opening). For some reason, I missed the opening of the Long Beach loop (Sat. 9/2/90), but I rode down the next day. I recall that LBT still operated their shuttle buses on 9/2 and 9/3 (not sure about 9/4 which would've been Labor Day), while RTD operated the Pico-Metro center bus shuttle for the last time on 2/14/91
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