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Post by Elson on Jan 20, 2013 23:04:25 GMT -8
Get a load of Miami Metrorail's new heavy rail vehicles that they just ordered: Story: miami.curbed.com/archives/2012/12/13/new-metrorail-cars-1.php#50ca0bd3f92ea160c9005c34 (More pics in the article) They feature folding seats, hanging bicycle racks (a la Portland) and...Wi-Fi(!) Why am I talking about Miami's rail cars? Because they are built to the exact same spec as the Metro Red/Purple Lines (and Baltimore's Metro as well). In fact, over 20 years ago, the then-RTD borrowed a pair of Miami Metrorail HRVs and successfully ran them in pre-revenue testing for a number of months in the MOS-1 tunnels. Could Metro be ordering these cars in the not-so-distant future? So here's the controversial thing: The Miami contract was awarded to AnsaldoBreda. Yes, the company that delivered some tardy, overweight LRVs to us not so long ago...But here's the thing: The P2550 LRVs were a custom spec, while the Miami cars, if Metro wants to order them, would be an off-the-shelf model, possibly cheaper and possibly more reliable in terms of delivery (if the Miami delivery works out well). The original Breda HRVs we got were, essentially, an off-the-shelf design; the RTD wanted the same cars as Baltimore had, but their manufacturer (Budd) went out of business. Breda built our current A650s to the same Budd/UTDC spec the Baltimore and Miami cars were made. Does this look like the LA Metro subway car of the future? Or do we need to go with a more unique design?
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Post by matthewb on Jan 21, 2013 8:41:48 GMT -8
Let Miami test them out for us on their system for a few years before even considering ordering them for LA. If it's reliable, within weight specification, and easy to maintain, that's the most important thing. The extra comfort features would be nice, but are in my mind secondary to something that actually works and gets people reliably and on time to where they need to go.
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Post by matthewb on Jan 22, 2013 12:58:22 GMT -8
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Post by TransportationZ on Jan 27, 2013 21:55:37 GMT -8
Why is AnsaldoBreda still in business? After their LRVs have plagued SF and LA, I would rather have my dog build an LRV than Breda. Do these agencies even do background checks to see how much they have screwed other cities?
A650s turned out OK, thank goodness, but I would steer away. After our fiasco with the Gold Line LRVs Metro seems to have learned their lesson and will avoid Breda like the plague it is.
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Post by transitfan on Jan 28, 2013 7:21:20 GMT -8
Well, considering the banana republic that is Dade County, no wonder that they would go with a losing proposition like Breda. The current Budd cars are not quite 30 years old, and should have another 10 years left, but I guess bananas can't do maintenance I'll miss the Miami Budds, they have the greatest door-closing chimes
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Post by skater on Dec 6, 2013 10:04:10 GMT -8
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Post by bobdavis on Dec 7, 2013 22:41:43 GMT -8
I don't share the same antipathy for the Gold Line Bredas that some of the local electric railway enthusiasts have, but in addition to SF Muni and LA Metro, the cars they built for Boston's MBTA had a problem with staying on the rails. I think that's finally been solved, but that's a rather fundamental issue that should have been dealt with before the customer ever saw the cars (maybe Breda didn't have access to a 100+ year old tramway system for testing.)
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Post by skater on Mar 20, 2014 14:20:44 GMT -8
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Mar 23, 2014 13:34:10 GMT -8
I like what Hyundai Rotem has going on with their EMU/HRV, good looking rail cars with tons of space and lots of way finding options on the interior. Hyundai Rotem cars are seeing a lot of use on Stockholm and Hong Kong's mass transit networks. You don't see much from this company in the United States although Metrolink's FRA class Guardian coaches made it over (shipped not made in USA).
Perhaps Kinki Sharyo will have a shot at making the next generation HRV rail cars for the Purple Line to the Westside.
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