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Post by joshuanickel on Jan 29, 2014 23:02:33 GMT -8
Apparently metro has these meetings called the Quarterly Service Councils Meet and Confer with Art Leahy. The last one held was on January 28th. One of the items on the agenda was Potential Line Naming Convention Changes, Renee Berlin, Executive Officer, Countywide Planning & Development, and Cory Zelmer, Transportation Planning Manager. Included was an attachment which was amap that showed what line would have as a name. The plan is to go to letters as we have seen with the Expo line Signage:  Metro Expo Line The list would be: Blue Line/Pasadena Gold Line - A Red Line - B Purple Line - C Green Line - D Expo Line/Eastside Gold Line - E Orange Line - G Silver Line - J Crenshaw Line - K Here is a link to the map: Proposed Metro Line Name Map
If you notice on the map it shows what has been suspected with the Green line turning to LAX and the Crenshaw line continuing on to Redondo Beach. |
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Post by andert on Jan 30, 2014 0:05:01 GMT -8
Hrm, I was really hoping they'd go with names, not letters. I always preferred the London nomenclature over New York. Letters just seem so sterile.
Is that color the color they're actually planning on using for Crenshaw? I assumed it'd be brown since that's been on all the maps to date.
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Post by skater on Jan 30, 2014 14:55:25 GMT -8
 the thing I don't like is that the regional connector is pictured as being south of the red line thru DTLA, not like the loop it will actually be with the connector passing north of the red/purple lines. The sliver line overlaps with many of the rail lines, so I think it is OK to have them overlap so that it can be more geographically acurate. perhaps there should be a DTLA inset with more detail.  |
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Post by bzcat on Jan 31, 2014 15:49:03 GMT -8
My opinion on the letter name is that it is too random... if we are going to change the official names, it should have meaning. Changing it from "Red" to "B" doesn't improve service transparency.
Changing it from "Red" to "H" would be much better. H = Hollywood
Metro is keeping the "E" train for obvious reasons (Expo-Eastside) so why not go the full distance and give meaningful names to other rail and BRT lines?
Red = H (Hollywood)
Purple = W (Wilshire)
Expo/Gold = E (Expo-Eastside)
Blue = F and L (Foothill train will run the entire length, Long Beach train will run from Union Station to Long Beach)
Green = I (Imperial)
Orange = V (SF Valley)
Silver = G and M (Gateway line will run the entire length, El Monte line will run from El Monte Station to Union Station)
Crenshaw = C (Crenshaw)
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Post by andert on Jan 31, 2014 17:27:35 GMT -8
My opinion on the letter name is that it is too random... if we are going to change the official names, it should have meaning. Changing it from "Red" to "B" doesn't improve service transparency. Changing it from "Red" to "H" would be much better. H = Hollywood Metro is keeping the "E" train for obvious reasons (Expo-Eastside) so why not go the full distance and give meaningful names to other rail and BRT lines? Red = H (Hollywood) Purple = W (Wilshire) Expo/Gold = E (Expo-Eastside) Blue = F and L ( Foothill train will run the entire length, Long Beach train will run from Union Station to Long Beach) Green = I (Imperial) Orange = V (SF Valley) Silver = G and M ( Gateway line will run the entire length, El Monte line will run from El Monte Station to Union Station) Crenshaw = C (Crenshaw) I wouldn't mind that so much -- it would at least allow the lines to maintain an identity in the name, and essentially give them the defacto names I'd assume they'd have anyway (Wilshire Line, Hollywood Line, Expo Line, etc.) It also maintains one of the strengths of the letter-based system, which is easily identifying different operating routes in the same line, i.e. F and L trains in your example. One of the only things I didn't love about the Tube when I lived in London was that there were so many different operating patterns on certain branching lines (particularly the District) that were hard to identify just by looking at the map. And about the map -- the geographic error drives me nuts too. I get that they want to keep it simple and clean, but making the lines accurate relative to one another is more important I think. Something like this map I made a year ago or so (ignore the accuracy/inaccuracy of the rest of it -- there's definitely things I'd change about it now. Though I do wish they were keeping cyan for the expo/eastside, just because it looks better running alongside the blue line through the regional connector. But I'm probably the only person that cares about that.) |
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Post by matthewb on Feb 1, 2014 7:30:53 GMT -8
I think it's great to separate cyan and blue to avoid confusion, just my thoughts. I think letters or numbers would be fine, and don't really make a difference in practice. It's good to get away from colors when things like cyan and blue can be confusing. That's the reason the Expo line is called by name instead of color.
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Post by bzcat on Feb 3, 2014 11:53:39 GMT -8
The geographic error exists right now because this map was adopted from the existing map where the Blue and Gold line does not run thru Downtown. Obviously, Metro will need to redesign the whole map when the Regional Connector actually opens. They will need to enlarge the Downtown section to show the details. The Red/Purple and Blue/Gold line will cross twice so Metro will need to make the Downtown section really big.
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Post by joshuanickel on Apr 2, 2015 23:43:36 GMT -8
Metro is proposing that the name changes begin this year and will be implemented in phases: Presentation on Metro Letter Designation ProjectHere is the recommended system: A - Long Beach-Pasadena (Blue) B - Red Line C - Purple Line D - Current Green Line (Norwalk-Redondo Beach) E - Expo to Eastside (Gold) G - Orange Line J - Silver Line K - Crenshaw Line (Purplish Grey Color) L - Green Line (LAX-Norwalk) (Pink Color) |
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Post by johanragle on Apr 3, 2015 8:40:05 GMT -8
I see I need to update my conceptual map again. Which probably isn't a bad idea anyway, since it's looking doubtful the A line will ever reach ONT anyway.  |
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 3, 2015 11:53:07 GMT -8
And the color aqua entirely disappears... We should have taken Bernard Parks' rose color when he offered it!  |
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Post by numble on Nov 9, 2018 14:57:47 GMT -8
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Post by culvercitylocke on Nov 9, 2018 16:29:50 GMT -8
Nice the only change they should do is flip flop A And B line, just make the Blue line the B line because that is much more intuitive. |
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Post by andert on Sept 30, 2019 20:29:29 GMT -8
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