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Post by Tony Fernandez on Jul 28, 2007 7:50:11 GMT -8
So a while back, I saw that LA area carpool lanes were not going fast enough for federal standards. Add this on to the toll lane that will be implemented soon, and this gives me an idea. Why don't we completely reword the carpool lanes here? Let toll payers and cars with 3 people in all carpool lanes. Then, and this is what will allow it to happen, build dedicated ramps for exits and other freeways. This way, you will be able to get many people to carpool or pay tolls, and the ramps could be payed for by the tolls. It would decrease traffic and get the carpool lanes to the 45 mph minimum. What do you think?
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Jul 28, 2007 8:34:30 GMT -8
NO!!!!! That makes driving too convenient and decreases the NEED for mass transit. By implementing auto-friendly policies AND SPENDING BILLIONS MORE ON FREEWAYS....why should ask for money for mass transit?
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Post by nickv on Jul 28, 2007 11:28:31 GMT -8
I think the only way that this is going to work is to:
1. Go 3+ and make the 1-2 person vehicle tolls very expensive (based on congestion) during rush hour to keep the lanes moving. This will hopefully encourage solo drivers to carpool, vanpool or take rapid transit. With that...
2. Offer all day express transit along the corridor and have station stops near (but not in the median) the corridor, fed by local transit.
But overall, whatever gets done, I think there needs to be proper planning. No quick-fixes here.
Also, let's not forget that we have the alternative of expanding our regional rail system, which I think would be a better idea since there are many people who would ride the rails, but not an express bus.
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Post by Tony Fernandez on Jul 28, 2007 15:33:17 GMT -8
The thing that's different about this is that with the tolls we have the option of letting the people who use it pay for it. With rail, cashbox recovery isn't high enough to pay for a system. With toll lanes, we can make improvements to carpool lanes and have them be paid for and then once that's done we will have extra revenue for rail projects. I don't see why we shouldn't do this.
I mean let's face it, we will never get everyone to stop driving. Might as well use that to our advantage.
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Post by wrcousert on Aug 27, 2008 12:38:35 GMT -8
Why not convert car pool lanes into "bus only" lanes?
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Post by jejozwik on Aug 27, 2008 15:00:04 GMT -8
Why not convert car pool lanes into "bus only" lanes? because the lanes would be empty most of the day. the idea behind the HOT lanes on el monte at least is to better manage the flow of traffic. bus only, busway empty, freeflow super duper congested 2+ carpool, busway fills people think the carpool is a waste of time, freeflow gets congested 3+ carpool, busway underused in non-rush hour times HOT lanes allow for flux pricing higher during congested times, low during times when the busway is empty |
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