Laatest report on the "Breda Bunch": From a quick count while passing the yard this morning, there could be ten on the property now, possibly more. I rode 711 (with 710) this afternoon. They ride smoothly (they should, being newer than the Siemens units), but I think they are noisier inside.
Post by whitmanlam on Sept 10, 2008 19:52:39 GMT -8
I sorta liked the old Siemens cars better. The big windows bring in more natural light during the day, and at night they show off a larger panoramic view of the city. The new cars don't seem as pleasant in the interiors. The "next station" electronic billboard is nice, but I sure will miss the big windows.
Post by Justin Walker on Sept 17, 2008 21:22:18 GMT -8
I wish they could do something to raise the 55 MPH limit. Only when traffic is completely stopped can the Gold Line trains move along the I-210 stretch faster than the traffic (this includes Gold Line stops).
This stretch is totally open with wide curves and no potential obstacles. 55 too slow!
Post by Tony Fernandez on Sept 17, 2008 22:11:00 GMT -8
The only reason I can think of is that the track was not made for speeds higher than 55. The train already seems kind of rocky at the speed that it goes at (which is higher than the speed originally intended for that line).
In August 2007 I was driving south up the Grapevine on I-5, came upon this, and managed to have my camera handy! Ironically that's the closest I've been to a Breda car so far.
you would think those would be more easily shipped via... ship. or even by freight train. That is a really long truck bed.
and why is it coming from SF?!?
Jeremy: The cars are assembled in Pittsburg (I believe), which is a direct trip down I-5 to Los Angeles. The truck bed is a "Low Boy", which I hope some truck information specialist will varify.
All transit vehicles are subject to a buy American provision, where a certain percentage of each transit bus or rail vehicle must have America content and final assembly. Yes, the Breda vehicles are fabricated in Italy and many components come across the world. And then the shells are sent to the U.S. for final assembly (and a lot of other work, such as electronics).
I thought that the Siemens cars could go faster than 55, but they're limited to it by the speed limit. The Breda Cars would also be limited. I don't think I understand.
Concerning car speed:
Going northbound on the freeway section of the line, the P2000 can't go faster than 55 even if they were allowed to. Some of that section is at an upgrade, and the car doens't have enough power. With a 2 car consist loaded with passengers, and the master controller held in the P10 position (full power) the train will max out around 52 or 53 mph.
in an attempt to ride the gold line for my commute i got to witness the new breda cars first hand.
and i have to say, from a visual standpoint, at night those new cars are stunning. all the metal siding reflecting the station and city lights. and the blue and red running lights. i have to say i really like them and i cant wait for them to be running on the gold and expo more regularly.
unfortunately the train went out of service and i was unable to actually ride the train, but still. i have to say im impressed
Today's report from Gold Country: Breda 716 and an unmarked unit were on the delivery track near Cornfield Park. 720 was out for test runs, loaded with sandbags (to simulate a full load) and with metering leads running out of one of the doorways to the top of the car (possibly to the resistor banks). Technicians with laptop computers were monitoring various systems. It was a lot simpler in the days of Type K controllers and straight air brakes.
I was on the Gold Line on Tuesday and the operator made an announcement that it was "three-car Tuesday" and that all trains were running with three cars in order to "see if we could handle all these cars running at the same time".
He also made a remark that today would be "two-car Wednesday", haha.
Were they doing this to test the Breda cars or something else?
Last Edit: Nov 26, 2008 13:51:24 GMT -8 by spokker
Post by bluelineshawn on Nov 26, 2008 15:17:02 GMT -8
I heard about that. I assume that they are testing running 3-car trains because that's what they will be doing once the east la extension opens. But the Breda's were running 3 cars as well, so it could have something to do with that.
There was quite a bit of discussion when the Gold Line opened about supposed lack of capacity in the electric power system. I never saw any official reports, but the "rumor mill" said that there wasn't enough "juice" to run more than two or three three-unit trains at the same time. The unofficial word was that there should have been more rectifier substations installed, but the money wasn't available. My observations indicate that the subs are about a mile apart, which should be close enough. It could be that they don't have the same output rating as the subs on the Blue Line, which runs three-car trains all day long. As an historical note, the Pacific Electric ran the Monrovia-Glendora Line with subs at Valley Junction, Pasadena, Arcadia and Azusa. That's a lot of distance between subs compared to modern practice.