|
|
Post by RMoses on Jan 6, 2012 11:56:14 GMT -8
|
|
|
|
Post by jdrcrasher on Jan 6, 2012 13:21:59 GMT -8
To anyone that's been to Hawaii..... what are the regulations like there? Are they even stricter than California's? It's tough to be tougher than the Golden State.
|
|
|
|
Post by bobdavis on Jan 9, 2012 0:27:43 GMT -8
Just a request: To many of us on "the mainland" HRT is usually the abbreviation for "Heavy Rail Transit" and I thought someone was comparing the two modes for Expo Phase II (although it's rather late in the game to make any major changes). Please identify it as Honolulu Transit in the heading.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gokhan on Jan 9, 2012 9:23:59 GMT -8
Just a request: To many of us on "the mainland" HRT is usually the abbreviation for "Heavy Rail Transit" and I thought someone was comparing the two modes for Expo Phase II (although it's rather late in the game to make any major changes). Please identify it as Honolulu Transit in the heading. Ditto. RMoses, please change the thread title, as it's highly misleading. |
|
|
|
Post by roadtrainer on Jan 9, 2012 22:22:37 GMT -8
FYI: HRT in Hawaii is known as H.A.R.T.-Honolulu Area Rapid Transit  |
|
|
|
Post by wad on Jan 10, 2012 3:31:10 GMT -8
FYI: HRT in Hawaii is known as H.A.R.T.-Honolulu Area Rapid Transit Isn't it going to be called The Train? (The bus system is actually called The Bus.) |
|
|
|
Post by rubbertoe on Jan 10, 2012 10:42:03 GMT -8
2015 seems ambitious, both for Expo and for HART. Though 2015 is only the first phase, with later phases opening at 2 year intervals. I'm glad to see that they chose to build a completely automated system, despite the higher ($5.5 billion) cost. They wrangled over that decision for a very long time. For that you get a system that can be operated by 4 people, running with 3 minute head ways (which can be shorter), >50mph top speed, and complete grade separation. The platforms will initially support the 128 feet long 2-car trains, but are built twice that long for when they switch to 4-car trains. They did it right. Kind of reminds me of SkyTrain in Vancouver, though the system is being built by a consortium that also built the Copenhagen Metro. Copenhagen Metro: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_MetroThe Copenhagen system operates 24/7, and because it is automated, they actually can run the system on a single track, allowing them to do late night maintenance on the other track.  RT |
|
|
|
Post by RMoses on Jan 10, 2012 14:42:45 GMT -8
FYI: HRT in Hawaii is known as H.A.R.T.-Honolulu Area Rapid Transit According to their website and the guys I spoke with, HART is the authority and the line at this time is called HRT as in Honolulu Rail Transit. A bit confusing. www.honolulutransit.org/ |
|
|
|
Post by James Fujita on Jan 13, 2012 15:39:17 GMT -8
Well, Los Angeles has the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which likes to call itself Metro, but people still call it the MTA.
I wouldn't be surprised if the HART or HRT ends up called "Da Train" as it works out in pidgin ;D
BTW, I think they picked a good route. It doesn't quite get into the tourist areas of Waikiki, but it gets to the airport and it gets as far as Ala Moana, which is already a big transfer point.
For locals, beating the traffic out to Pearl City, Ewa and Kapolei will be more important than hitting the beach.
|
|
|
|
Post by transitfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:41:09 GMT -8
BTW, I think they picked a good route. It doesn't quite get into the tourist areas of Waikiki, but it gets to the airport and it gets as far as Ala Moana, which is already a big transfer point. For locals, beating the traffic out to Pearl City, Ewa and Kapolei will be more important than hitting the beach. I visited Honolulu for a week in the summer of 1990. Arrived on a Friday, the Sunday paper had a front-page article about a proposed rail line back then LOL (I believe this was supposed to be heavy rail, elevated (with possibly a subway downtown under either King or Bertania Sts). I think the alignment was similar to the current plan, although it was a bit more ambitious, after Ala Moana Center, the line would split into two branches: one would serve the Manoa campus of U of H, the other would proceeded down Kalakaua Ave (I think), serving all the Waikiki hotels. I think this plan is better, stop at AMC for now. I guess there will be a bunch of feeder buses from Waikiki and other points east. Even in 1990, there was a line from eastern Waikiki to Ala Moana Center, I think it was the 8. Used mostly artics (back then, they were Ikarus (I think)). In addition, there were 2 lines that served Waikiki (the 19 and 20) that continued past Ala Moana to downtown Honolulu and beyond (one of them ended at Hickham AFB (I remember the destination sign "19 HICKHAM / AIRPORT GATE" I liked that line because they used Grumman Flxible 870s with my favorite DDEC 8V71 engines. ;D (by 1990, SCRTD had long neutered their Grummans by switching to 6V92  Also, by then, the Grummans were on their way out at RTD, though the last ones actually retired under the aegis of the newly created MTA, in the summer of 1993). |
|
|
|
Post by James Fujita on Jan 17, 2012 12:17:39 GMT -8
Honolulu, like a lot of cities, has had a hard time getting their rail transit system started, with a lot of the same arguments used there as in other cities.
"We're not a big city/ rail is for big cities" was a good one; sorry but Honolulu isn't pineapples and sugarcane anymore. I think the Reason Foundation even sent people to argue their usual points.
In any case, I think the 1990 plan was a little too tourist-oriented (although UH would've been a good destination). Also, the soil may be challenging for subway tunneling.
Although Hawaii is a frequent vacation for us, my family doesn't spend a lot of time on Oahu. BUT we did spend a car-free vacation there once: TheBus, Waikiki Trolley and shuttle buses did the work for us.
Getting to the train at Ala Moana will NOT be hard.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gokhan on Jan 17, 2012 14:09:14 GMT -8
|
|
Also, by then, the Grummans were on their way out at RTD, though the last ones actually retired under the aegis of the newly created MTA, in the summer of 1993).