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Post by erict on Apr 20, 2012 17:27:15 GMT -8
I think that there could be trouble for Beverly Hills with such an extreme reaction backfiring in the public opinion of their "hood". Enough already.
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 20, 2012 23:17:39 GMT -8
I'm so over these pouty, entitled, capricious people acting like victims and sore losers. The only thing I can believe is that Beverly Hills High School's agenda is to get a free underground parking facility while the city of Beverly Hills' agenda is to disenfranchise Century City.
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 21, 2012 7:24:25 GMT -8
Nice opinion piece in the Times today:
Clear the tracks Beverly Hills. The Westside needs the 'Subway to the Sea', and the NIMBY's of B.H. should get on board.
Sent from my DROID RAZR using ProBoards
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Post by simonla on Apr 21, 2012 7:59:52 GMT -8
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Post by simonla on Apr 21, 2012 12:33:40 GMT -8
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 21, 2012 22:11:20 GMT -8
I read all those comments; that was really disgusting. I told them so, then followed up with a bunch of other stuff. I'm not the most qualified to come to anyone's rescue, but I tried.
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Post by simonla on Apr 22, 2012 19:48:02 GMT -8
According to the subway's Facebook page, BH unsurprisingly passed a motion to request a hearing before Metro (unanimous, of course). So, the FEIR will NOT be certified this month. Hopefully, Metro can schedule this thing quickly.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Apr 22, 2012 22:23:30 GMT -8
According to the subway's Facebook page, BH unsurprisingly passed a motion to request a hearing before Metro (unanimous, of course). So, the FEIR will NOT be certified this month. Hopefully, Metro can schedule this thing quickly. Don't get ahead of yourself Simon...remember when the Courier talked about how "Metro is now studying an overground station at SaMo boulevard"? They issued that last week, well Streetsblog totally rebuffed them (http://la.streetsblog.org/2012/04/18/no-metro-is-not-really-considering-an-aerial-station-for-santa-monicacentury-park-east/). So, until Metro officially removes it from their agenda on Thursday, I would take it as a grain of salt. Metro hasn't even offered their response yet.
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Post by erict on Apr 23, 2012 6:12:32 GMT -8
Their delay tactics will backfire on them. What about the 2 schools that currently have the subway running under their property? The message to them is clear, Beverly Hills feels it is better than everyone else.
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 23, 2012 18:22:49 GMT -8
It wouldn't be so bad if these people were accepting the hyperbole being fed to them as fact. What makes it bad is that Beverly Hills commissioned a study that concurs with the Metro study and they've chosen to disregard it because it doesn't say what they were hoping it would say. When everything is laid out, hopefully the people will be able to weight the facts against the hyperbole and demand clarification from their trusted local politicians. That's when heads will roll.
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Post by erict on Apr 23, 2012 19:14:04 GMT -8
With this weeks opening of the Expo line, maybe Angelenos will see why the systems expansion is so important, and why we need the Purple line extended. Beverly Hill's continued unscientific political attack on Metro is pure political NIMBYism.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Apr 24, 2012 6:50:49 GMT -8
The Expo Line opening will get more fans wanting to see a greater Metro rail expansion in the westside. It's the same as in Pasadena, they were against the Gold Line, until they saw it and now campaign harder for Gold Line expansions than freeway expansions. So yes, the opening of this line will be very symbolic and will help get some Metro rail boosters!
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Post by masonite on Apr 25, 2012 13:37:05 GMT -8
So now LACMA is offering to pay for a portal to the Purple Line on its campus at Orange Grove. Does anyone know why that would preclude an entrance at Fairfax next to Jonnies as they are now planning on the other entrance being on the other side of Wilshire?
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Post by bzcat on Apr 25, 2012 15:59:46 GMT -8
So now LACMA is offering to pay for a portal to the Purple Line on its campus at Orange Grove. Does anyone know why that would preclude an entrance at Fairfax next to Jonnies as they are now planning on the other entrance being on the other side of Wilshire? I think Metro is saying that it LACMA pays for the entrance at Fairfax, they would take the money allocated to the north side portal (at Johnies) and move the money somewhere else in the project. LACMA didn't ask Metro to cancel the Johnie's portal but it seems likely that will happen if they took LACMA's money. Here is the actual wording in the propose change in EIR - MTA-funded Orange Grove subway entrance: South side of Wilshire [note: previously, the EIR say no to south side Orange Grove portal and yes to north side Johnies portal] directly opposite LACMA - LACMA-funded entrance: North side of Wilshire between LACMA West and the Broad Contemporary Art Museum - Both would be a short distance from the Wilshire/Fairfax intersection
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Post by bzcat on Apr 25, 2012 16:15:43 GMT -8
Also note the changes to Westwood station. Metro now recommends 3 three portals:
1 at UCLA lot 36 north side Wilshire/Gayley 1 at north side of Wilshire/Westwood 1 at south side of Wilshire/Westwood
It is the only station on the entire extension that will get more than 1 Metro funded portal.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 25, 2012 16:16:19 GMT -8
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Apr 25, 2012 20:50:48 GMT -8
If you haven't had a chance, check out this exchange between Brucker (Beverly Hills councilman) and Zev on the Purple Line extension. www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2012/04/25/26187/the-metro-vs-beverly-hills1) it sounds like the vote will still happen tomorrow and the hearing will happen thereafter with Beverly Hills; but will most likely not affect the vote 2) the building in which Metro plans to tunnel under BHHS is actually slated for annexation by BHHS in their previously approved master plan Shame on Beverly Hills...shame
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Apr 26, 2012 10:11:49 GMT -8
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 26, 2012 13:03:07 GMT -8
No pun intended, but it's highly inflammatory; no wonder the residents of Beverly Hills are on the verge of rioting! Is this a product of the PR firm that's been spreading all the other misinformation? Forget professionalism, where is their sense of ethics?!!
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Post by bzcat on Apr 26, 2012 13:31:38 GMT -8
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 26, 2012 13:45:52 GMT -8
OK, so the first battle was won with some casualties...outstanding! Too bad construction can't begin from one day to the next. I'm curious now. TBM's are going to be used to bore part of the Connector's route. Are those TBM's going to be extracted from the ground from the Connector project, when it's complete, to be used on the Purple Line extension tunnels? Or does each project get its own TBM(s)?
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Post by bzcat on Apr 26, 2012 13:58:45 GMT -8
Both projects will be under construction at the same time so they can't share TBM
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 26, 2012 14:37:01 GMT -8
Two subways approved today, and for this I'm very happy. However, a lot has been left unanswered.
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Post by gatewaygent on Apr 26, 2012 17:42:46 GMT -8
bzcat, thank you.
It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL!
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Post by erict on Apr 26, 2012 19:15:25 GMT -8
I don't think that he Crenshaw controversy will stop that line in any way. Every transit project in LA, that I can think of, is followed by unending controversy and opposition.
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Post by masonite on Apr 26, 2012 20:51:27 GMT -8
bzcat, thank you. It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL! I have been around long enough to know you can't really count a project until it has started real construction.
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Post by calwatch on Apr 26, 2012 23:00:17 GMT -8
On the other hand, this is good news for the people that want something other than the mess at the VA, to have a better station. Ultimately if the subway continues to Santa Monica, the VA station becomes the subway's version of Farmdale on the Expo line. Unfortunately the VA is dead set on the station being in the middle of that onramp, allegedly because of the trees on the west side. A station on VA property but also with an entrance on Federal Avenue could provide the utility necessary for the private sector to come and develop the park and ride needed for the residents west of the 405, as well as not being a dud station when the subway does get to the sea eventually.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 27, 2012 9:35:40 GMT -8
bzcat, thank you. It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL! Crenshaw is basically fully funded so it will start construction no matter what the NIBMYs say. By the middle of 2013, we will have the following construction going on: 1. Expo 2 bridges (Venice/Robertson, National/Palm, Motor, Bundy, Sepulveda) and all stations on the route 2. Foothill stations and rail installation 3. Crenshaw ROW clearing and utility relocation 4. Purple line station box excavation (Fairfax, La Brea, La Cienega) and TBM staging at Wilshire/Crenshaw 5. Downtown Connector TBM excavation in Little Tokyo. 6. Final touch up/testing for Orange Line extension. And we'll probably have the DEIR on South Bay, LAX spur, and Eastside completed. Santa Ana Branch is still a long ways to reality.
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Post by joshuanickel on Apr 27, 2012 12:14:48 GMT -8
bzcat, thank you. It just occurred to me that there are going to be four (4) simultaneous rail projects going on: The Connector, the Purple Line extension, the Foothill extension, and Expo Line Phase II. Crenshaw might make it a fifth, if that mess is ever cleared up. I'm fuzzy on the Green Line Southbay extension and the Santa Ana Branch, but pray the Gold Line Whittier/South El Monte extension disappears into obscurity. Did I miss anything? This is so nerdishly exciting LOL! Crenshaw is basically fully funded so it will start construction no matter what the NIBMYs say. By the middle of 2013, we will have the following construction going on: 1. Expo 2 bridges (Venice/Robertson, National/Palm, Motor, Bundy, Sepulveda) and all stations on the route 2. Foothill stations and rail installation 3. Crenshaw ROW clearing and utility relocation 4. Purple line station box excavation (Fairfax, La Brea, La Cienega) and TBM staging at Wilshire/Crenshaw 5. Downtown Connector TBM excavation in Little Tokyo. 6. Final touch up/testing for Orange Line extension. And we'll probably have the DEIR on South Bay, LAX spur, and Eastside completed. Santa Ana Branch is still a long ways to reality. Doesn't the orange line open in June of this year? Why would it still be testing in 2013?
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Post by jdrcrasher on Apr 27, 2012 13:40:51 GMT -8
Things really could get busy around the LA area in the coming years, especially if Metro's Measure "R+" is approved this election year. Word is it might contain the Foothill Extension to Montclair... and perhaps the the final Westside extension to Santa Monica from the VA station (I doubt much more than that though). Also, if America Fast Forward/30-10 eventually DOES happen, all those projects will be fast-tracked.
EDIT: And keep in mind that doesn't include an elusive Measure "R2" (potentially containing new lines down the 405/Van Nuys, Vermont and maybe even Whittier).
Yes yes, I know, "R2" could be REALLY tough to propose if "R+" is ok'd this year by voters, but if "R2" is proposed in 2016, when the economy will probably be much stronger and metro is given more time to study different potential projects, I think "R2" might, just might, have a shot.
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