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Post by gatewaygent on May 10, 2012 19:28:27 GMT -8
The 2009 LRTP Supplement 1 - Strategic Plan lists an extension to CSU/Long Beach. I'm thrilled to death, CSU/Long Beach is my alma mater. However, other than mentioning that this may be a recommendation made by a sub-region, it's skimpy on details. Does anyone have any information on any of this? Is this something that may be so far in the future that it'll still be an unfunded "Tier 3" project in 2040? The City of Long Beach conducted a limited streetcar feasibility study, but all it determined was that a streetcar on 7th St. to CSU/Long Beach was not ideal since 7th St. becomes State Route 22.
I don't know what the routing will be, but 7th St. seems like a good suggestion. Even using the abandoned Newport/Huntington Beach ROW off Willow St./Long Beach Bl. to PCH or Anaheim St. might do the trick.
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Post by jdrcrasher on May 10, 2012 21:46:56 GMT -8
I think this should be the final leg of the 405 Corridor/or South Bay Extension.
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Post by gatewaygent on May 10, 2012 23:23:47 GMT -8
A Torrance to San Pedro, Long Beach and LA/OC Line is mentioned in Supplement 1, so it seems there may be a master plan that ultimately forms a single line through into Long Beach.  |
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Post by matthewb on May 11, 2012 4:27:16 GMT -8
I think Willow/Katella makes some sense in terms of regional connectivity, and a tradeoff of track miles. I think a local network of streetcars and buses in transit only lanes would then be appropriate for connecting CSULB, the airport, beaches, etc. First get the green line to Torrance, then between Torrance and the Blue line at Willow, then Willow to the West Santa Ana Branch Line at Stanton in conjunction with OCTA (cough), then let OCTA worry about getting the line extended from Stanton to the Anaheim high speed rail station via Disneyland. I imagine this being completed around the year 2080, but we might get the Green line to the Blue line at Willow in our lifetimes. Of course, if OC has a major change in philosophy, maybe they could work in parallel on a reasonable integrated transit system crossing county lines.
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Post by jdrcrasher on May 11, 2012 17:26:01 GMT -8
^ Oh I wouldn't worry about that. I have a hunch that in the next decade or two, once Orange County sees how much LA County is reaping because of Measure R, they'll be too tempted to propose something similar.  |
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Post by gatewaygent on May 11, 2012 19:56:40 GMT -8
If the Center Line project proved too daunting a task for Orange County, I doubt even an exemplary rail transit system in L.A. County would compel OC to revisit the idea in even 40 years. OC has the luxury of open space which allows them to keep adding and expanding their freeways willy-nilly. It won't be until the EPA refuses to clear anymore freeway or gated community projects that OC will grudgingly look to rail transit. Then, they'll dick it up by opting for a 20 mile long, elevated, streetcar, served by 5 tiny vintage cars that runs at 5 mph like the trolly at the Americana in Glendale.
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Post by tonyw79sfv on May 11, 2012 21:07:05 GMT -8
If the Center Line project proved too daunting a task for Orange County, I doubt even an exemplary rail transit system in L.A. County would compel OC to revisit the idea in even 40 years. OC has the luxury of open space which allows them to keep adding and expanding their freeways willy-nilly. It won't be until the EPA refuses to clear anymore freeway or gated community projects that OC will grudgingly look to rail transit. Then, they'll dick it up by opting for a 20 mile long, elevated, streetcar, served by 5 tiny vintage cars that runs at 5 mph like the trolly at the Americana in Glendale. The OCTA is a lost cause, they couldn't even implement Bravo! BRT, which was to be their version of Metro Rapid; and their proposed half-hourly intra-county Metrolink service only added 4 runs on top of existing service. However, a Blue Line extension into eastern Long Beach sounds nice, as there is a ROW continuing past Willow Station towards Naples. The OCTA also terminates bus service there. Most Blue Line trains that currently short line at Willow could run to CSULB. From 7th/Metro Center, Blue Line trains could alternate between the Long Beach loop and CSULB, splitting at Willow. |
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