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Post by bobdavis on Sept 3, 2012 13:59:43 GMT -8
As of yesterday, the San Diego Trolley routes have changed as follows:
Green Line now runs from Santee to 12th & Imperial (doesn't turn back at Old Town anymore)
Orange Line now runs from El Cajon to Santa Fe Station (no more turning back at Gillespie)
Blue Line now runs from San Ysidro to American Plaza (east of Santa Fe Station) (no longer going to Old Town)
For more details, check the SDMTS.com website.
It's rather interesting that the Blue Line now goes back (almost) to the original SD Trolley line of 1981.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 3, 2012 22:09:09 GMT -8
Why do they call it "trolley" while the rolling stock is almost entirely pantograph-equipped? Trolley would be a car with a trolley pole. It looks like currently they only have one trolley car and 144 pantograph-equipped cars.
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Post by joemagruder on Sept 4, 2012 6:27:32 GMT -8
If one wants to go from San Ysidro to Old Town, where does one transfer - 12th & Imperial?
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Post by transitfan on Sept 4, 2012 7:45:30 GMT -8
If one wants to go from San Ysidro to Old Town, where does one transfer - 12th & Imperial? That's probably the easiest option, as it involves a walk of only a few feet (albeit having to cross the southbound main). Another option which involves a bit more walking is to transfer from the Blue Line at America Plaza to the Green Line at the Santa Fe Station. Involves crossing a street, but no tracks, IIRC. |
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Post by Elson on Sept 6, 2012 1:40:36 GMT -8
Why do they call it "trolley" while the rolling stock is almost entirely pantograph-equipped? Trolley would be a car with a trolley pole. It looks like currently they only have one trolley car and 144 pantograph-equipped cars. Why do they call it "Light Rail" when the vehicle weighs 90,000 lbs? Dude, it's called a marketing term...Not everyone out there is a transit geek. At least it's a vehicle powered by an overhead line. I can't STAND shuttle buses that are dressed up in transit drag, made to look like cable cars and called "trolleys." |
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 6, 2012 7:21:29 GMT -8
Why do they call it "trolley" while the rolling stock is almost entirely pantograph-equipped? Trolley would be a car with a trolley pole. It looks like currently they only have one trolley car and 144 pantograph-equipped cars. Why do they call it "Light Rail" when the vehicle weighs 90,000 lbs? Dude, it's called a marketing term...Not everyone out there is a transit geek. At least it's a vehicle powered by an overhead line. I can't STAND shuttle buses that are dressed up in transit drag, made to look like cable cars and called "trolleys." It's called light-rail for two reasons. (1) In Europe, they also have electric commuter trains (Metrolink-like), which are much heavier and bigger than the light-rail trains but still use overhead power and have grade crossings. Such electric commuter trains in Europe are called heavy rail. (2) In US, light-rail is used to distinguish it from rapid transit in terms of passenger capacity. Therefore, in US, rapid transit is called heavy rail. Unlike in Europe, light vs. heavy in US refers to the capacity, not the weight of the train. |
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Post by Elson on Sept 7, 2012 1:06:42 GMT -8
(2) In US, light-rail is used to distinguish it from rapid transit in terms of passenger capacity. Therefore, in US, rapid transit is called heavy rail. Unlike in Europe, light vs. heavy in US refers to the capacity, not the weight of the train. Ummmmm...yes, I know that already. I was being facetious there, bro.  My point was that these buzzwords/marketing terms are never meant to be 100% literally accurate in the first place, but convey feelings or concepts that the common person (i.e. someone who is not a transit geek) can understand. Ergo, the San Diego "Trolley" was meant to evoke memories to SD's old street cars (and their red paint scheme intended to be a reference to the PE, as well as be visually impacting). "Light" Rail is called such and not "Lower Capacity Rail" because the word "Light" in the mind of politicians sounds more appealing because it implies something that is of lower cost and lesser construction impact than a subway. |
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Post by usmc1401 on Sept 13, 2013 20:11:25 GMT -8
San Diego has no trolleys. The restored PCC car has a pantograph.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 14, 2013 9:46:27 GMT -8
San Diego has no trolleys. The restored PCC car has a pantograph. Streetcar is a better term to describe trains that operate in automobile lanes. While trolley (referring to the electric trolley pole) is widely used for earlier electric streetcars with a trolley pole and is a proper term for such trains, it can also refer to a shopping cart or other wheeled stand or be confused with a trolleybus. To add to the term clutter, British English uses tram for streetcar and tramway for streetcar line. |
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