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Post by Gokhan on Aug 22, 2013 23:14:03 GMT -8
What a makeover -- the P865 Nippon Sharyo light-rail vehicles (LRVs) of 1989 are all of sudden looking like from the distant future! All LA Metro LRVs of all kinds will soon be converted into this paint scheme. I love it.
Brought to you by Snuffy's Cat.
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Post by rajacobs on Aug 23, 2013 4:14:19 GMT -8
The older white design with the horizontal stripe gave the cars a sleek, appealing design that is absent with either the "HEADS UP WATCH FOR TRAINS" slogan or in the more or less solid paintjob with yellow in the front and rear. The solid paint job (is it gray? --I'm a little color blind) points out the cars mechanical/industrial features rather than getting me excited about jumping onboard.
Futuristic? ...Yeh, I suppose so, sort of like a Borg is futuristic, but not a design that excites me.
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Post by JerardWright on Aug 23, 2013 13:40:36 GMT -8
I'd rather see the trains be in a similar paint graphic to our buses in either Orange/Silver or Red/Silver. I say take a page from the San Diego Trolley and paint it all one color, Orange. Simple and classic and doesn't look dated. It's just as visible a color to everyone at all times during the day or night but it aids in marketing that our buses and trains are of one network system.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 18, 2013 11:45:20 GMT -8
I've just added a poll in this thread. Provide your vote now. I am posting the pictures again below. Meet the new Metro LRV (or at least how all of them will be painted in the future):
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 30, 2013 12:03:58 GMT -8
Here is the close-up of Car 148 at Bill Robertson Lane (Menlo Avenue). Note the new, electronic signs. Metro has confirmed that they will use this livery for the other cars as well. Log in and vote in the poll here if you haven't already voted.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 30, 2013 14:13:04 GMT -8
Here is the Kinkisharyo P3010 concept in comparison:
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Post by transitfan on Oct 1, 2013 6:40:00 GMT -8
Here is the close-up of Car 148 at Bill Robertson Lane (Menlo Avenue). Note the new, electronic signs. Metro has confirmed that they will use this livery for the other cars as well. Log in and vote in the poll here if you haven't already voted. Not bad. Seems that 148 got quite the makeover. It appears that the marker lights at the top are now LEDs? (maybe the tailights and turn signals at the bottom as well, the headlights look the same as always). Interesting run number, obviously there are not 118 (or more) trains on the Expo Line (or Expo and Blue combined). I guess the leading "1" has some significance, and it is really train 18.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 1, 2013 8:19:06 GMT -8
I would guess that the leading 1 is for Line 801 (Blue Line) and 18 is the train number. There are about 30 trains on the Blue and Expo Lines. Once the Expo Line gets its own yard in Santa Monica, Expo Line trains will be numbered 6xx after Line 806 (Expo Line) I am guessing.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 1, 2013 12:20:25 GMT -8
It's also possible that they made a mistake and entered 118 instead of 148.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 2, 2013 12:45:40 GMT -8
Today I saw a bright aqua dot next to the alternating Expo Line / Culver City text in the new LED header display on Car 148. I couldn't believe I was riding the same line -- it looked so different and nice. Very cool!
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Post by TransportationZ on Oct 2, 2013 22:45:42 GMT -8
The refurbishment of the Nippon's are taking too long. We need full LED head signs NOW. Seriously, they need to for-go the refurbishment of the other vehicles and simply replace every head sign in the fleet then resume the normal refurb process like normal.
While the new livery is cool, it's bright-yellow with the polka dot fade that makes it look.....meh.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 8, 2013 10:05:02 GMT -8
Photos of the new livery have been taken by Alan K. Weeks. Car 154 is an unfinished paint job. The reflective decals haven't arrived and they used a temporary yellow stripe to be able to put the car in service. It will look the same as Car 148 once it's finished. More importantly, note the bright aqua dot on the new LED header display, replacing the outdated mechanical displays on the Nippon Sharyo's and outdated LCD displays on Siemens'. Tell us what you think about it:
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Post by bzcat on Oct 8, 2013 10:11:36 GMT -8
I like the color dot!
I assume on Blue line service, there is actually a dark blue dot?
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 8, 2013 15:35:25 GMT -8
I like the color dot! I assume on Blue line service, there is actually a dark blue dot? Expo Line has a nice aqua (= cyan) dot and Blue Line has a blue dot:
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 10, 2013 22:09:27 GMT -8
Car 100 with temporary stripe stickers instead of the permanent stickers:
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Post by skater on Oct 12, 2013 8:07:33 GMT -8
I have now spotted both of these repainted railcars, number 148 twice on the expo line and 100 at 7th street going toward willow. I think both are an improvement from the old paint jobs, and I like how 100 looks now with the temporary stripe. I wish they hadn't repainted the ones that were painted like red cars. Is it true those had green interior? a bit off topic, check out this miniature blue line in the original colors: thesource.metro.net/2013/10/14/mini-blue-line-train-in-service-at-wilson-park/
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 29, 2013 21:16:06 GMT -8
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Post by skater on Oct 30, 2013 15:56:52 GMT -8
today at 7th street, I sighted both of the repainted cars, and they now both have reflective decals.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 30, 2013 22:09:20 GMT -8
today at 7th street, I sighted both of the repainted cars, and they now both have reflective decals. Yes, you saw Cars 148 and 103. Car 104 is joining them soon. Metro Safety Department has signed off on the new scheme but it's still in the testing phase, where they are doing minor tweaks such as stripe widths. Ultimately it has to be approved by the Metro CEO.
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Post by Alexis Kasperavičius on Oct 31, 2013 1:39:44 GMT -8
One problem I'm surprised they haven't caught yet is that by making the skirts light gray and bright yellow, instead of the current black, the cars will need to be washed and repainted more often. I thought they were trying to save money?
Those skirts pick up all the dirt from splashes, bumps etc. The current black is easy to keep clean, but making them a light color will mean they will look beat-up more often than not. Look at a close up of those skirts and you will see they are pockmarked with dings from years of service. Slapping on some black paint is a hell of a lot easier, cheaper, and faster than trying to repair some tricky, bright yellow dot pattern decal.
The roofs of the cars were white on delivery, but after several years, operations realized that PE had it right, and changed everything above the windows to black. I'm glad that's staying. However, I think this new design will cause operations some headaches after the first rainy season and after a couple months of use without a repaint. Hopefully testing will make this clear.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 31, 2013 10:47:23 GMT -8
One problem I'm surprised they haven't caught yet is that by making the skirts light gray and bright yellow, instead of the current black, the cars will need to be washed and repainted more often. I thought they were trying to save money? Those skirts pick up all the dirt from splashes, bumps etc. The current black is easy to keep clean, but making them a light color will mean they will look beat-up more often than not. Look at a close up of those skirts and you will see they are pockmarked with dings from years of service. Slapping on some black paint is a hell of a lot easier, cheaper, and faster than trying to repair some tricky, bright yellow dot pattern decal. The roofs of the cars were white on delivery, but after several years, operations realized that PE had it right, and changed everything above the windows to black. I'm glad that's staying. However, I think this new design will cause operations some headaches after the first rainy season and after a couple months of use without a repaint. Hopefully testing will make this clear. It's a valid point; however, black bottoms simply don't look good to say the least. Let's hope they catch any problem if there is one during the ongoing testing phase.
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Post by skater on Oct 31, 2013 22:05:15 GMT -8
May I ask why did they repaint the anniversary red car nippon sharyos? I would like to see some cars done like that again. Where they really green on the inside?
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Post by TransportationZ on Nov 1, 2013 6:53:43 GMT -8
One problem I'm surprised they haven't caught yet is that by making the skirts light gray and bright yellow, instead of the current black, the cars will need to be washed and repainted more often. I thought they were trying to save money? Those skirts pick up all the dirt from splashes, bumps etc. The current black is easy to keep clean, but making them a light color will mean they will look beat-up more often than not. Look at a close up of those skirts and you will see they are pockmarked with dings from years of service. Slapping on some black paint is a hell of a lot easier, cheaper, and faster than trying to repair some tricky, bright yellow dot pattern decal. The roofs of the cars were white on delivery, but after several years, operations realized that PE had it right, and changed everything above the windows to black. I'm glad that's staying. However, I think this new design will cause operations some headaches after the first rainy season and after a couple months of use without a repaint. Hopefully testing will make this clear. I thought the point was to match with the incoming Kinkis and the current Breda's. The Breda's even now use gray skirts. Who knows, we'll see if Metro values matching schemes vs cost.
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Post by JerardWright on Nov 2, 2013 2:19:37 GMT -8
One problem I'm surprised they haven't caught yet is that by making the skirts light gray and bright yellow, instead of the current black, the cars will need to be washed and repainted more often. I thought they were trying to save money? Those skirts pick up all the dirt from splashes, bumps etc. The current black is easy to keep clean, but making them a light color will mean they will look beat-up more often than not. Look at a close up of those skirts and you will see they are pockmarked with dings from years of service. Slapping on some black paint is a hell of a lot easier, cheaper, and faster than trying to repair some tricky, bright yellow dot pattern decal. The roofs of the cars were white on delivery, but after several years, operations realized that PE had it right, and changed everything above the windows to black. I'm glad that's staying. However, I think this new design will cause operations some headaches after the first rainy season and after a couple months of use without a repaint. Hopefully testing will make this clear. It's a valid point; however, black bottoms simply don't look good to say the least. Let's hope they catch any problem if there is one during the ongoing testing phase. Seeing more of these mock-up cars and now with the days being shorter I see a key problem espeically from stations like Wardlow, Willow and Artesia and that is at night on grade crossings at higher speeds and at blind curves, the Yellow and Silver/White color will blend too much to be visible, there is not enough contrast and there's too much reflectivity creating a deer in headlights appearance. This, I feel is a key piece to the testing of this scheme that Operations need to iron out.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 2, 2013 16:25:59 GMT -8
Seeing more of these mock-up cars and now with the days being shorter I see a key problem espeically from stations like Wardlow, Willow and Artesia and that is at night on grade crossings at higher speeds and at blind curves, the Yellow and Silver/White color will blend too much to be visible, there is not enough contrast and there's too much reflectivity creating a deer in headlights appearance. This, I feel is a key piece to the testing of this scheme that Operations need to iron out. I'm not sure how big a concern this is but the new livery has already been signed off by the Metro Safety Department and there aren't expected to be major design changes but only minor tweaks. I am also not sure which car you saw -- only Car 148 had the reflective stickers until recently.
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Post by JerardWright on Nov 4, 2013 8:53:42 GMT -8
Seeing more of these mock-up cars and now with the days being shorter I see a key problem espeically from stations like Wardlow, Willow and Artesia and that is at night on grade crossings at higher speeds and at blind curves, the Yellow and Silver/White color will blend too much to be visible, there is not enough contrast and there's too much reflectivity creating a deer in headlights appearance. This, I feel is a key piece to the testing of this scheme that Operations need to iron out. I'm not sure how big a concern this is but the new livery has already been signed off by the Metro Safety Department and there aren't expected to be major design changes but only minor tweaks. I am also not sure which car you saw -- only Car 148 had the reflective stickers until recently. First off, this design has not been signed off for full implementation, they are in testing to see if it works and how to modify/adjust it. And the the safety concern is a key reason why I brought it up. Also car 103 have this paint scheme
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 4, 2013 9:24:39 GMT -8
I'm not sure how big a concern this is but the new livery has already been signed off by the Metro Safety Department and there aren't expected to be major design changes but only minor tweaks. I am also not sure which car you saw -- only Car 148 had the reflective stickers until recently. First off, this design has not been signed off for full implementation, they are in testing to see if it works and how to modify/adjust it. And the the safety concern is a key reason why I brought it up. Also car 103 have this paint scheme From Metro's reply last week to my question: "Our Safety Department has signed off on the new scheme. Technically, it is still in the testing phase...with minor tweaks, such as stripe widths."
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Post by culvercitylocke on Nov 4, 2013 10:37:22 GMT -8
We were in pasadena saturday night and stopped while a gold line train with the new livery passed in front of us at a grade crossing. Extremely reflective and much more visible than the old livery.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 7, 2013 23:33:56 GMT -8
It's quite reflective to me, too:
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Post by TransportationZ on Nov 8, 2013 12:18:15 GMT -8
We were in pasadena saturday night and stopped while a gold line train with the new livery passed in front of us at a grade crossing. Extremely reflective and much more visible than the old livery. They put the new livery on the Bredas? Pics or didn't happen. Seriously, now I have to ride the Gold Line now to see it.
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