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Post by andert on Feb 6, 2014 16:25:29 GMT -8
With the Sochi opening ceremonies tomorrow, and with this article just published: gizmodo.com/how-l-a-s-1984-summer-olympics-became-the-most-success-1516228102I thought it'd be a good time to talk about the planned LA bid for the 2024 Olympics and what effect it might have on transit. Would rail construction be expanded and accelerated as a result? Would that investment be made before the USOC decides who wins the US bid, after, or not until the IOC decides the ultimate host? Where would the money come from? If it can score us transit dollars, I definitely support the bid -- particularly if the money is committed earlier rather than later, because I feel it's unlikely the IOC will pick the US in 2024, or even that the USOC will pick LA considering we've hosted twice already... but I highly doubt that any commitments would be made before the USOC picks the city. Thoughts?
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Post by transitfan on Feb 7, 2014 8:32:16 GMT -8
It would be cool for L. A. to get the Olympics again (especially since, unlike in 1984, I won't be stuck working in the middle of it!) Most of the infrastructure is still in place, plus you now have the Staples Center, the Honda Center in Anaheim, the new venue in Carson (although that one may have been around for the 1984 games?) As far as transit, you now have the Expo Line for the Coliseum and USC (swimming/diving events), the Expo and the Blue (and the Red/Purple) will cover the Staples Center. For events at UCLA, maybe the Purple Line could be fasttracked to Westwood, although there may not be enough time even with funding. Might have to settle for shuttle buses from the Expo Westwood station, maybe with dedicated bus lanes (similar to what was done with Figueroa St in 1984). I agree that the US in general and L. A. in particular won't get the 2024 nod. Maybe 2028, or 2032 (100 years after the first L. A. games, I think that one could be a lock, especially if the US doesn't get the games in '24 or '28)
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Feb 7, 2014 12:40:41 GMT -8
If it can score us transit dollars, I definitely support the bid -- particularly if the money is committed earlier rather than later, because I feel it's unlikely the IOC will pick the US in 2024, or even that the USOC will pick LA considering we've hosted twice already... but I highly doubt that any commitments would be made before the USOC picks the city. Thoughts? L.A. has a very strong chance of winning the 2024 Olympic bid. The last Summer games here was in 1996 - Atlanta (winter games was 2002 in Salt Lake). The Olympics is never more than 20 years away from the USA. It's coming in the '20s, the question is which city. LA gave up its 2016 USA bid to let Chicago bid on behalf of the USA, to host for the first time ever....but it lost to London. London has had the Olympics 3 times, so L.A.'s opportunity to be a 3 time host is not unrealistic. Also, as you mentioned, the 1984 games is still considered the most profitable in Olympic history, so that gives the edge to L.A. Unlike other cities, L.A. actually has most of the infrastructure in place to host the games. Chicago had to build a few more stadiums/arenas if it were to win the bid.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Feb 7, 2014 12:44:08 GMT -8
As far as transit, you now have the Expo Line for the Coliseum and USC (swimming/diving events), the Expo and the Blue (and the Red/Purple) will cover the Staples Center. For events at UCLA, maybe the Purple Line could be fasttracked to Westwood, although there may not be enough time even with funding. Might have to settle for shuttle buses from the Expo Westwood station, maybe with dedicated bus lanes (similar to what was done with Figueroa St in 1984). Let's not forget that the Crenshaw Line will connect the Forum in Inglewood and Hollywood Park. Metro should add a southern spur of it's Silver Line to the Home Depot Center..........
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Post by masonite on Feb 7, 2014 12:56:57 GMT -8
As far as transit, you now have the Expo Line for the Coliseum and USC (swimming/diving events), the Expo and the Blue (and the Red/Purple) will cover the Staples Center. For events at UCLA, maybe the Purple Line could be fasttracked to Westwood, although there may not be enough time even with funding. Might have to settle for shuttle buses from the Expo Westwood station, maybe with dedicated bus lanes (similar to what was done with Figueroa St in 1984). Let's not forget that the Crenshaw Line will connect the Forum in Inglewood and Hollywood Park. Metro should add a southern spur of it's Silver Line to the Home Depot Center.......... Except the Forum is now a concert venue. They could conceivably retrofit it again to turn into an arena, but that would take some money. Hollywood Park is now closed, although who knows we may get a football stadium there though. Also, the nearest Crenshaw stop is 1.2 miles away so I wouldn't say that it is connected.
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Post by bzcat on Feb 7, 2014 15:55:31 GMT -8
I think if we get the 2024 games, there will be a lot of emphasis to get Federal funding to complete the Purple line to Westwood. That would be a good thing. My dream item will be money to start construction on the Sepulveda subway from Ventura Blvd to Westwood.
By 2024, we should have the Regional Connector, Crenshaw Line, Wilshire Blvd BRT, and the SFV portion of the Sepulveda corridor in service. The question is what other project can be funded to finish construction by 2024 and there isn't really much to choose from - the Wilshire subway is really the only plausible one, and Foothill 2B, Eastside 2, and Southbay extension are other candidates. The Sepulveda subway is a dream only at this stage. However, I can see some more money going towards Metrolink upgrades and LAX APM if we get the Olympics.
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Post by masonite on Feb 7, 2014 19:23:00 GMT -8
I think if we get the 2024 games, there will be a lot of emphasis to get Federal funding to complete the Purple line to Westwood. That would be a good thing. My dream item will be money to start construction on the Sepulveda subway from Ventura Blvd to Westwood. By 2024, we should have the Regional Connector, Crenshaw Line, Wilshire Blvd BRT, and the SFV portion of the Sepulveda corridor in service. The question is what other project can be funded to finish construction by 2024 and there isn't really much to choose from - the Wilshire subway is really the only plausible one, and Foothill 2B, Eastside 2, and Southbay extension are other candidates. The Sepulveda subway is a dream only at this stage. However, I can see some more money going towards Metrolink upgrades and LAX APM if we get the Olympics. Unfortunately, that wouldn't work. To get to Westwood by 2024, they would have to start construction next year, yet the Olympics for 2024 won't be awarded for 3+ years. Even if you were awarded the Olympics tomorrow, it would take a good 18 months of pre construction even if financing was awarded the next day. The US government wouldn't likely provide much help anyway.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Feb 21, 2014 9:58:04 GMT -8
I have a feeling LA will get the 2032 olympics because Paris will be awarded the 2024 for their 100 anniversary. Oslo is likely to win the 2022 bid, so that would put both the 2022 and 2024 games in Europe (like the 2018 and 2020 games are both in Asia). That opens the door for any of the next four games (or one of each) to be the in the states. A 2026 Denver or Salt Lake games will probably happen. then 2028 or or 2032 would be highly likely for a US summer games, I'd bet on 2032 Los Angeles because of the anniversary.
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Post by usmc1401 on Jul 12, 2017 20:40:27 GMT -8
It now looks like Los Angeles will now gt the 2028 summer Olympic games. With eleven years for planning new transit ayone care to guess on which new lines will be built. A line coming off the crenshaw line down Prarie to the green line or farther would be a good start. To serve the Forum and the new Football and Basketball venues. Any other thoughts.
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Post by Philip on Jul 12, 2017 22:50:30 GMT -8
I think getting Crenshaw to Wilshire is essential; Hollywood/Highland gets bandied about a lot, but Wilshire is feasible and will make trips to/from the airport much easier for visitors as well as residents.
Getting the 405 to at least the Purple Line is essential too; LAX and even Expo might be a stretch, but an Orange-Purple line is doable with support and political will. And again, this will improve travels to LAX.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 13, 2017 9:53:15 GMT -8
It now looks like Los Angeles will now gt the 2028 summer Olympic games. With eleven years for planning new transit ayone care to guess on which new lines will be built. A line coming off the crenshaw line down Prarie to the green line or farther would be a good start. To serve the Forum and the new Football and Basketball venues. Any other thoughts. The LAX people mover is absolutely the singular most essential piece of public infrastructure that needs to be finished before the olympics, not even the purple line comes close to being as essential as the people mover. If we were looking at a 2024 olympics, state and local politicians would be moving heaven and earth to get the people mover accelerated. As it is, their focus for 2028 olympics will probably be making sure that nonsense lawsuits like the one recently filed by the parking companies near LAX don't impact the timetables risking multi-year delays on the key stone people mover. But with this being 2028, Obviously, the number one priority for _metro_ will be getting the Purple Line complete to Westwood. Everything else on the table at metro will take a back seat to that priority. The olympics might even free up federal funding for acceleration that otherwise republicans would withhold to maliciouisly punish democrats/LA (as is the wont of republicans). A bonus would be politicans leveraging the olympics to find money to get phase four of the purple line out of the DEIR and into construction as well, then we would actually have a subway to the sea instead of a subway to nowhere. After that, I think state and local politicians will focus on what is attainable given the 7-8 year time frame of most rail construction so since it is currently mid 2017, that means that the projects which will be coming out with Draft Environmental Impact Reports in the next two-three years are the most likely to be fast tracked and completed. Does this mean that metro puts every project into a DEIR process right away so that they have a lot of FEIRs finished by 2020 and a lot of candidates for fast tracking? That would be nice. Politically this means the most likely thing to get fast tracked is anything extending metros reach to the East. One of the options on the gold line east side extension is a slam dunk to get completed. and the extension out to claremont is also almost a virtual certainty. This is actually probably a good thing, as an enormous amount of temporary labor for the olympics will probably be using public transit to come into the venues in downtown, at USC, westwood the new football stadium and santa monica. So in other words, since a lot of the labor for the olympics will come from East LA, those two gold line extensions will be pretty useful to the olympics. Garcetti et al, would be wise to start talking up metro link as a possibility to facilitate movement within southern California of all the people wanting to see the olympics, they could leverage the olympics to push forward loads of double tracking as the single infrastructure investment with the most bang for the buck and overall value in moving people around during they olympics. I cannot see Crenshaw phase two being an accelerated project. the political will isn't going to be there to prioritize it over the sepulveda line. and there is probably only the possibility of doing crenshaw phase two if the sepulveda line is not accelerated. Why? Because Crenhaw phase two is going to be the most contentious rail extension on the docket. even with an acceleration, there isnt enough time to do the longest option (to cedars sinai and then presumably running east per all the fantasy maps on top of the fault line underneath santa monica blvd, which seems like tricky and/or illegal construction), not to mention the added expense of several miles of subway to get it to cedars sinai. Then if the fairfax option is chosen, the project will be delayed by lawsuits by the single family residential and ethnic minority groups along that route, enough lawsuits to make the expo lawsuit delays look petty by comparison, which means it won't be completed in time. That leaves only La Brea, which would be a good candidate for acceleration, as it is a rejuvenating corridor, and the shortest. But La Brea is going to piss off all the transit advocates which is its own less contentious mess). This is the single messiest project and the likeliest to get sidelined simply to avoid the headaches when political capital and attention will need to be allocated elsewhere. only two of the three mega projects on metros docket are likely to be accelerated, one of those is the purple line, the other two, sepulveda and West Santa Ana will have to fight it out. There will be a lot of push for the west santa ana option, but I imagine that with both of the gold line east extensions likely to be prioritized, the sepulveda line will also be prioritized. But of course all of this is contingent on what projects will come out of DEIRs first, part of why the East Side extensions and the purple line have such advantages for being the candidates for acceleration. Statewide, winning the olympics might cause the bullet train to garner additional support and funding, but I imagine that politicans are going to avoid associating the bullet train with the olympics, because right now the olympics are popular with californians, and if we tie the bullet boondoggle to the olympics, we might create a constituency to cause massive pushback against the olympics.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 13, 2017 10:21:22 GMT -8
Hah. I forgot the foothill extension is breaking ground in October and is already scheduled for completion in 2027, so no need to accelerate that. That means that the east side extension is a slam dunk
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Post by andert on Jul 13, 2017 10:56:11 GMT -8
I'm bummed that the Crenshaw north is unlikely to get accelerated as that's the project I live closest to and would use constantly, but I think you're right. I'd love it if purple phase 4 could indeed get out of DEIR. I like your idea of just doing EIRs on everything just in case.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Jul 13, 2017 11:04:55 GMT -8
I think getting Crenshaw to Wilshire is essential; Hollywood/Highland gets bandied about a lot, but Wilshire is feasible and will make trips to/from the airport much easier for visitors as well as residents. Getting the 405 to at least the Purple Line is essential too; LAX and even Expo might be a stretch, but an Orange-Purple line is doable with support and political will. And again, this will improve travels to LAX. Interesting topic. I haven't posted on here for a number of years, but want to give my three cents. 1 - The next rail line to break ground (after Foothill Gold Line to Montclair/Claremont in October) will be the Artesia - Green Line WSAB Phase 1. Some funding will be tied up in this project. 2 - Why do we want Crenshaw Line to dead-end at Hollywood/Highland? Wouldn't it be a better rail line if it took Santa Monica Boulevard east and connected with the Red Line at Santa Monica/Vermont and then dead ended at Glendale? Thereby, you connect Silver Lake, Echo Park, Los Feliz and NE LA to the Metro Rail network. Terminating at Hollywood/Highland creates another dead-end station in the middle of Los Angeles. Any thoughts on this? 3 - With the Purple Line to Westwood, People Mover, WASB and Gold Line to Foothill under construction in the 2020's, does LA have the capability to start a Sepulveda or Crenshaw - North rail line, considering neither of those DEIR's have started, unlike the aforementioned?
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 13, 2017 11:52:25 GMT -8
Having looked at more stories discussing olympics plans I think there will be major moves by metro and the city to get sepulveda into the EIR state the day after the olympics are announced in September.
Why?
Simple , the HRT sepulveda line connects things in singularly important ways.
First with the Olympic village at Westwood, this means that athletes need to get to and from there constantly, the purple line helps, but there is no north south connection in and out of Westwood. Connecting the valley olympics venues to Westwood venues and village and both to lax is going to be seen as not just a slam dunk but possibly as utterly crucial to have a functioning games.
So I think that we will see a ton of effort on that front, probably inclusive of a transcontinental rail type of construction, with two teams starting at Westwood and moving towards the valley and lax respectively.
You're bordering on the impossible here, but Westwood to ucla to Ventura to the orange line is four stops, and the majority of the tunneling from ucla to Ventura being an easy process to run 24 -7.
And this is only Three station boxes (presuming the purple three eir will be amended for a larger station box and constructed as part of that phase three construction), currently we have purple one doing three station boxes but the construction of each is staggered rather than simultaneous, so there is room to gain two to six years in construction time if the sepulveda line has simultaneous construction of its station boxes.
If you have simultaneous construction of the southbound project you're looking at stations at Santa Monica and at expo (both on sepulveda rather than Westwood to facilitate construction and minimize community opposition and increase station spacing) Washington (which feeds both Venice blvd and Culver blvd) then either Slauson /fox hills or Howard Hughes center) following airport blvd ) and a terminus at the lax station, so five additional stations.
If you broke up southbound into two phases, one two stop phase to expo and one three stop phase to lax, I could foresee all eight stations being under simultaneous construction
Iirc each hrt station box costs about 500 million, so 4B for station boxes.
The purple line costs about 300M/km for tunneling, so that pencils out as 9B for 30 km for a 13B total budget.
Figure 1B from the state and 3B from the Feds for about a 9B metro needs to pay. I think that's within the bounds of metros budget
The route is 30 km long and purple line tunneling machines go 12-15 m per day that means 2000 days of tunneling or 5.5 years, when you add in six weeks per station for the tbm to cross the station that is another year of construction time.
Obviously 6.5 years is unacceptable for the olympics so you to accelerate: we need four tbms, two going north and two going south.
So is it possible? If Draft eir begins in September2017 finished in Jan 2019, FEIR finishes in 2021, construction begins in 2022, that's a 6 year window of construction time before 2028.
Really 5.5 years since we have so much testing we have to run on new systems.
In other words not possible without accelerating the EIR process. If draft gets quadruple staff and finishes in 6 months in April 2018, feir gets quadruple staff and finishes in Jan 2019, construction begins in 2020. Now you have 7.5-8 years of construction time.
Additionally station box excavation of the Westwood station probably begins around 2020, so dovetailing off this may allow north and south launch pits to be constructed in com junction with the purple line station box construction.
Two years of simultaneous utility relocation and other preconstruction activity on eight simultaneous box sites means all eight station boxes could enter construction and excavation in 2022, that would mean station box sites would be ready to receive tbm as by 2024, so you could start tbms in late 2023, four years to tunnel 16 km south (more boxes to traverse) probably three years to tunnel the 14 km north
All of this is presuming they are working on accelerated schedules. They probably need legislative support to make that legal and they probably need an exemption provided by the legislature from ceqa green-mail lawsuits like the proposed farmers field had for a while.
Building a 30 km line from lax to orange in eleven years seems nearly impossible, but it is theoretically possible although very far fetched.
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Post by bzcat on Jul 13, 2017 14:48:06 GMT -8
I think if we get the 2024 games, there will be a lot of emphasis to get Federal funding to complete the Purple line to Westwood. That would be a good thing. My dream item will be money to start construction on the Sepulveda subway from Ventura Blvd to Westwood. By 2024, we should have the Regional Connector, Crenshaw Line, Wilshire Blvd BRT, and the SFV portion of the Sepulveda corridor in service. The question is what other project can be funded to finish construction by 2024 and there isn't really much to choose from - the Wilshire subway is really the only plausible one, and Foothill 2B, Eastside 2, and Southbay extension are other candidates. The Sepulveda subway is a dream only at this stage. However, I can see some more money going towards Metrolink upgrades and LAX APM if we get the Olympics. Revising my own post 3 years later... it's disappointing that Metro didn't move Sepulveda Pass project into EIR phase yet all this time (I know they were waiting for Measure M to pass and all but still too slow). If we are still on 2024, then Sepulveda Pass subway is not going to make it. If we are now on 2028 timeline, this opens up a lot of other possibilities: 1. Sepulveda Pass 2. Crenshaw to Purple line if not the entire length to Hollywood 3. Both phases of WSAB 4. Vermont Subway, at least a portion of it Other projects that should be on the table for discussion/acceleration but currently does not exist: 1. Pico station underground + grade separation of Flower St and Washington Blvd junction 2. Metrolink Antelope Valley and San Bernardino line electrification 3. LA-SD portion of CAHSR (which will improve transport options between Olympic Village and a few events scheduled in Anaheim) Not all of them are possible so we'll need to pick and choose. And they will all require Federal funding so that's a problem we need to solve.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 13, 2017 20:57:31 GMT -8
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Post by expo on Jul 14, 2017 7:11:47 GMT -8
But phase 3 will run through a fault zone, why couldn't phase 4?
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Post by JerardWright on Jul 15, 2017 3:18:00 GMT -8
Revising my own post 3 years later... it's disappointing that Metro didn't move Sepulveda Pass project into EIR phase yet all this time (I know they were waiting for Measure M to pass and all but still too slow). If we are still on 2024, then Sepulveda Pass subway is not going to make it. If we are now on 2028 timeline, this opens up a lot of other possibilities: 1. Sepulveda Pass 2. Crenshaw to Purple line if not the entire length to Hollywood 3. Both phases of WSAB 4. Vermont Subway, at least a portion of itOther projects that should be on the table for discussion/acceleration but currently does not exist: 1. Pico station underground + grade separation of Flower St and Washington Blvd junction2. Metrolink Antelope Valley and San Bernardino line electrification 3. LA-SD portion of CAHSR (which will improve transport options between Olympic Village and a few events scheduled in Anaheim) Not all of them are possible so we'll need to pick and choose. And they will all require Federal funding so that's a problem we need to solve. The bulk of the ability of getting lines accelerated are based on two factors, cash flow and getting the Environmental Impact Reports started. So far out of that list only WSAB will happen, unless by some magic they wake up start Sepulveda Pass Rail and Crenshaw North extension EIR's as there is dedicated funding allocated in Measure M. In addition, the follies of the current President Pence and The Donald administration in place which they are threatening to kill Full Funding Grant Agreements to projects like Westside Phase 3, Sepulveda Pass, WSAB which are cost effective and eligible for them will strain our cash flow and stretch our local monies to a breaking point, monies already stretched by pushing so hard on project delivery and acceleration. This is very important that we don't guild the lily and repeat the mistakes of 20+ years ago. The Vermont Subway and Pico Station/Flower Street Grade separations are pipe dreams with no chance in hell of getting accelerated because of; 1) No EIR or will have completed in a timely fashion to get it constructed, 2) Most importantly the project is not specified in Measure M (Vermont HRT after 2067!) which means it will have to take money from other projects to get them built which again stretches thin the bonding capacity to borrow and build projects AND piss off the balance of partners who supported Measure M.
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Post by JerardWright on Jul 15, 2017 7:00:13 GMT -8
It now looks like Los Angeles will now gt the 2028 summer Olympic games. With eleven years for planning new transit ayone care to guess on which new lines will be built. A line coming off the crenshaw line down Prarie to the green line or farther would be a good start. To serve the Forum and the new Football and Basketball venues. Any other thoughts. The LAX people mover is absolutely the singular most essential piece of public infrastructure that needs to be finished before the olympics, not even the purple line comes close to being as essential as the people mover. If we were looking at a 2024 olympics, state and local politicians would be moving heaven and earth to get the people mover accelerated. As it is, their focus for 2028 olympics will probably be making sure that nonsense lawsuits like the one recently filed by the parking companies near LAX don't impact the timetables risking multi-year delays on the key stone people mover. But with this being 2028, Obviously, the number one priority for _metro_ will be getting the Purple Line complete to Westwood. Everything else on the table at metro will take a back seat to that priority. The olympics might even free up federal funding for acceleration that otherwise republicans would withhold to maliciouisly punish democrats/LA (as is the wont of republicans). Agreed Don't get your hopes up. The extension to Santa Monica need to continue that process which right now means DOA. Interesting perspective never thought of it in that manner, I feel that is where the extra Federal Money would go to build compared to the Purple Line to Santa Monica. It will need a thorough study that is abundantly clear but I don't believe it will be sidelined, that thorough study will be the reason that it won't get accelerated. As for my observations it will probably be between La Brea or Fairfax as the longer WeHo alignment will be a pain in the ass to design and be even crazier than the Beverly Hills HS nonsense because of the fault line. I would add the South Bay Green Line extension as part of the accelerated list because it is a current First-Second Decade project, that is relatively easy, ROW already mostly Grade Separated and has support going for it. THe strength in the West Santa Ana project is that the study is going on, there is strong political support for it and there is a stronger possibility of Private Investment which goes to acceleration and showcasing as a means of leverage private investment into a public rail corridor in the USA.
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Post by exporider on Jul 15, 2017 9:36:15 GMT -8
I would like to add one new project: extend the LAX People Mover east to the new football stadium and Clippers basketball arena, both of which are likely to serve as sites of Olympic events. This would be a natural connection, both because of the geographic connection and the visitor/entertainment markets served by the system. The other benefit of this project is that it has legitimate potential for attracting public private subsidies, namely Mr. Kroenke and Mr. Balmer.
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Post by andert on Jul 15, 2017 10:45:29 GMT -8
I would like to add one new project: extend the LAX People Mover east to the new football stadium and Clippers basketball arena, both of which are likely to serve as sites of Olympic events. This would be a natural connection, both because of the geographic connection and the visitor/entertainment markets served by the system. The other benefit of this project is that it has legitimate potential for attracting public private subsidies, namely Mr. Kroenke and Mr. Balmer. I never even thought of extending the people mover out like the JFK Airtrain. That's a good idea. And you're right, you could probably leverage a ton of private investment for it.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 15, 2017 13:05:23 GMT -8
A people mover extension is a better idea than branching Crenshaw!
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Post by bzzzt on Jul 15, 2017 17:14:08 GMT -8
One one hand, the extension might work. Right now, the terminus is halfway between Century and Arbor Vitae. Arbor Vitae is two lanes each way, too narrow. So bring it south to Century Blvd (looks like 7 lanes total width) Narrow Century to two lanes each way, and run the People Mover either at grade or elevated down Century. Also, if built, the Clippers new arena will be on the south side of Century Blvd, making a Century route more useful.
On the other hand, I believe that the people mover is supposed to be air-side, so riders go through TSA security checks before getting on the mover. So that would be a significant issue.
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Post by numble on Jul 16, 2017 19:13:01 GMT -8
One one hand, the extension might work. Right now, the terminus is halfway between Century and Arbor Vitae. Arbor Vitae is two lanes each way, too narrow. So bring it south to Century Blvd (looks like 7 lanes total width) Narrow Century to two lanes each way, and run the People Mover either at grade or elevated down Century. Also, if built, the Clippers new arena will be on the south side of Century Blvd, making a Century route more useful. On the other hand, I believe that the people mover is supposed to be air-side, so riders go through TSA security checks before getting on the mover. So that would be a significant issue. The people mover will not be air-side, but the stations may have check-in machines: www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LAX/ConnectingLAX/pdf/LAMP-FAQ-Overview.pdf
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Post by RMoses on Jul 17, 2017 11:00:33 GMT -8
A PPP to extend the LAX people mover would only be feasible if it could connect to heavy rail.
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Post by tramfan on Jul 17, 2017 12:53:05 GMT -8
Extending the Gold line to the Ontario Airport would also be a worthwhile endeavor for the 28 Olympics. It would take a lot of stress from LAX which is already too congested.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 17, 2017 13:36:54 GMT -8
Or red line to Burbank airport
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 31, 2017 12:14:06 GMT -8
And it is official Los Angeles got the 2028 olympics!
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Post by culvercitylocke on Sept 29, 2017 0:32:13 GMT -8
Apparently they will be announcing 28 public transit projects they want completed by 2028
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