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Post by LineDrive on Jun 30, 2018 14:00:03 GMT -8
Forgive me if this has been discussed as an idea before.
But my feelings on the whole snails pace LRT on Van Nuys followed by HRT on Sepulveda SOUTHward have been made clear, it’s a mistake. A total disaster for the system.
What about this though:
Could the Sepulveda line (from Orange Line to LAX (Or) Inglewood Stadium) be built as Heavy Rail with a middle express track for light rail that only stops at the essential stations (Expo, Purple, LAX)
or is that ridiculous and redundant?
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Post by fissure on Jun 30, 2018 18:57:42 GMT -8
Are you suggesting we create an 18-ish mile single-track section of LRT? You'd either have to run it infrequently or build a massive storage yard at the LAX end, and you'd need a turnback facility at the Orange Line so half the trains can turn back to provide northbound service. As several others have said, Sylmar -> LAX is not a commute trip we should care about supporting with these projects. If you want to make that trip, use Metrolink and the Flyaway bus, or get LADOT to run a Commuter Express.
I agree that Van Nuys as LRT and the rest of the line as HRT doesn't make sense; that's why the whole line will be LRT. Sepulveda is already a weaker bus corridor than Van Nuys, so while ridership is suppressed by the roundabout route going through the pass, the southern portion won't be that busy either.
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Post by LineDrive on Jul 1, 2018 0:49:41 GMT -8
Are you suggesting we create an 18-ish mile single-track section of LRT? You'd either have to run it infrequently or build a massive storage yard at the LAX end, and you'd need a turnback facility at the Orange Line so half the trains can turn back to provide northbound service. As several others have said, Sylmar -> LAX is not a commute trip we should care about supporting with these projects. If you want to make that trip, use Metrolink and the Flyaway bus, or get LADOT to run a Commuter Express. I agree that Van Nuys as LRT and the rest of the line as HRT doesn't make sense; that's why the whole line will be LRT. Sepulveda is already a weaker bus corridor than Van Nuys, so while ridership is suppressed by the roundabout route going through the pass, the southern portion won't be that busy either. Thanks for the insight, I wasn’t sure if it was reasonable or not. although it’s not Sylmar to LAX that is on my mind, it’s say Sylmar to Expo/Sepulveda. That’s transfer will make a lot of people think twice about using it. |
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 1, 2018 9:37:42 GMT -8
Are you suggesting we create an 18-ish mile single-track section of LRT? You'd either have to run it infrequently or build a massive storage yard at the LAX end, and you'd need a turnback facility at the Orange Line so half the trains can turn back to provide northbound service. As several others have said, Sylmar -> LAX is not a commute trip we should care about supporting with these projects. If you want to make that trip, use Metrolink and the Flyaway bus, or get LADOT to run a Commuter Express. I agree that Van Nuys as LRT and the rest of the line as HRT doesn't make sense; that's why the whole line will be LRT. Sepulveda is already a weaker bus corridor than Van Nuys, so while ridership is suppressed by the roundabout route going through the pass, the southern portion won't be that busy either. Thanks for the insight, I wasn’t sure if it was reasonable or not. although it’s not Sylmar to LAX that is on my mind, it’s say Sylmar to Expo/Sepulveda. That’s transfer will make a lot of people think twice about using it. Why do you think sylmar to expo is the key transfer? My guess is that sylmar to purple/Wilshire Westwood would be the key transfer point. Expo would get some, but there a lot fewer people going to Santa Monica or Culver City than are going to century city, Westwood and Beverly Hills. I am an advocate of terminating the ESFV (/ Orange line) LRT Lines at Wilshire Westwood and extending the purple line hrt south from the va to lax, it would mean an extra transfer to purple to get to expo, but I don’t think that’s too burdensome with the Four minute headways on purple. |
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Post by bzcat on Jul 2, 2018 15:34:35 GMT -8
The bulk of the ridership will be between Orange line and Expo line. Assuming Sepulveda line continues to ESFV, the key transfer will be to/from Orange line and Purple line. You can actually eliminate the Orange line transfer if you make that another branch. Pretned you are Metro and you are modeling the ridership for the Sepulveda line. About 50% of them are coming from Northeast of Sepulveda (Van Nuys corridor) and 50% from West of Sepulveda . So if you are designing a line thru the Sepulveda Pass, you can maximize ridership with 2-branch design... one veers Northeast after Orange line, and one veers West. Where have we seen something like this? That's right... look at Metro's concept 4.  It seems clear that light rail will be favored thru Sepulveda Pass so there is no need for a separate express track... trains won't be stopping between Ventura Blvd and UCLA anyway. |
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