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Post by bluelineshawn on Sept 25, 2021 14:09:38 GMT -8
Ok thanks. I don't think that would have been visible from where I was viewing. |
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Post by bluelineshawn on Sept 25, 2021 14:41:01 GMT -8
He's saying that headways are every 20 min after the game. Headways are every 12 min before the game, which isn't bad. Overall I think that we should get used to long headways. I hate to be pessimistic, but my take is that the metro board wants metro to be the cheapest/free-est public rail system. They don't necessarily want it to be the best. I doubt that we ever see world-class headways on metro, except for maybe the P3 projects that will be run by private companies. I agree with this. Metro is obsessed with free fares. They can then count homeless people riding all day as ridership, while working folk go back to their cars. Mike Bonin is leading the charge and he has basically done the same thing with parks in his council district. He has let the homeless move in and camp and trash the parks with some doing drugs and chopping bikes in the open, while regular folks, especially kids stay away. Reduced headways at night would be nice, but I doubt it would make much difference. I’ve never seen a train after a game at Staples overcrowded and while the platform there is small, there has always been enough room for people to jam in on it. It would be a lot more persuasive to argue for more trains and a bigger platform if they were actually over capacity. People won’t ride Metro mostly because they feel unsafe especially at night. There was just a murder at the Washington Station in the last couple of weeks. Earlier in the year there was a murder at the Pico/Staples Center Station. Women are consistently harassed and they often say no one comes to their aid. You have all the meth heads, tweakers, and mentally ill and people just feel it is every man for themselves and not worth it. We are on the same page on this. There were also four people shot on a C line train last night between Avalon and Rosa Parks. The shooter(s) ran off when the train arrived at the station. I literally can't even listen to meetings where they discuss replacing uniformed police with "safety ambassadors" or any of the PSAC meetings. Meetings to defund the police are inundated by callers claiming to be daily riders and people of color claiming that they only feel unsafe on metro when police are around. I have no reason to doubt those claims, but as a person of color myself and daily rider myself (pre-covid) that is not my experience on metro. But the board is pretty much convinced that their riders are afraid of the police and otherwise feel safe, so that's the way that they're headed. Metro tries to say otherwise, but I don't think that they get much consideration. |
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Post by bzzzt on Sept 26, 2021 9:55:49 GMT -8
I agree with this. Metro is obsessed with free fares. They can then count homeless people riding all day as ridership, while working folk go back to their cars. Mike Bonin is leading the charge and he has basically done the same thing with parks in his council district. He has let the homeless move in and camp and trash the parks with some doing drugs and chopping bikes in the open, while regular folks, especially kids stay away. Reduced headways at night would be nice, but I doubt it would make much difference. I’ve never seen a train after a game at Staples overcrowded and while the platform there is small, there has always been enough room for people to jam in on it. It would be a lot more persuasive to argue for more trains and a bigger platform if they were actually over capacity. People won’t ride Metro mostly because they feel unsafe especially at night. There was just a murder at the Washington Station in the last couple of weeks. Earlier in the year there was a murder at the Pico/Staples Center Station. Women are consistently harassed and they often say no one comes to their aid. You have all the meth heads, tweakers, and mentally ill and people just feel it is every man for themselves and not worth it. We are on the same page on this. There were also four people shot on a C line train last night between Avalon and Rosa Parks. The shooter(s) ran off when the train arrived at the station. I literally can't even listen to meetings where they discuss replacing uniformed police with "safety ambassadors" or any of the PSAC meetings. Meetings to defund the police are inundated by callers claiming to be daily riders and people of color claiming that they only feel unsafe on metro when police are around. I have no reason to doubt those claims, but as a person of color myself and daily rider myself (pre-covid) that is not my experience on metro. But the board is pretty much convinced that their riders are afraid of the police and otherwise feel safe, so that's the way that they're headed. Metro tries to say otherwise, but I don't think that they get much consideration. Metro used to say that the system was incredibly safe, but I agree with you guys - it isn't. I, myself, have been threatened by a crazy on the Gold Line, and, although I reached someone on the Metro app - contact law enforcement - they couldn't get a LEO to show up to take a report or take the crazy into custody. A coworker of mine was killed on the Gold Line in broad daylight, too ... by a crazy. I have avoided any late night rides, and yet, on occasion, I still see crazy/dangerous people from time to time, in addition to the homeless that are still there.
I think that although most of the yapping is either self-serving, attention-getting, delusional, or a self-affirmation that our society and transit would somehow function better without law enforcement, I think there's also a portion of the population that is scared of police background checks - which happens if the police are fare enforcers. If we have faregate enforcement (with either security or police to enforce), or have enforcement officers punish gate-jumpers with simple, on-the-spot fines (which happens in some countries, although very unlikely to happen here), then the police can interact with riders less often, and more often with likely egregious lawbreakers.
Until Metro gets serious about making the system safe, only the staunch and brave will get out of a Staples Center (or Inglewood area) game at 10pm and take the train or bus home. And, even discounting any money issue, I can't imagine that LAX would even contemplate extending their APM to Inglewood and opening it to the general public.
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Post by masonite on Sept 30, 2021 23:09:52 GMT -8
We are on the same page on this. There were also four people shot on a C line train last night between Avalon and Rosa Parks. The shooter(s) ran off when the train arrived at the station. I literally can't even listen to meetings where they discuss replacing uniformed police with "safety ambassadors" or any of the PSAC meetings. Meetings to defund the police are inundated by callers claiming to be daily riders and people of color claiming that they only feel unsafe on metro when police are around. I have no reason to doubt those claims, but as a person of color myself and daily rider myself (pre-covid) that is not my experience on metro. But the board is pretty much convinced that their riders are afraid of the police and otherwise feel safe, so that's the way that they're headed. Metro tries to say otherwise, but I don't think that they get much consideration. Metro used to say that the system was incredibly safe, but I agree with you guys - it isn't. I, myself, have been threatened by a crazy on the Gold Line, and, although I reached someone on the Metro app - contact law enforcement - they couldn't get a LEO to show up to take a report or take the crazy into custody. A coworker of mine was killed on the Gold Line in broad daylight, too ... by a crazy. I have avoided any late night rides, and yet, on occasion, I still see crazy/dangerous people from time to time, in addition to the homeless that are still there.
I think that although most of the yapping is either self-serving, attention-getting, delusional, or a self-affirmation that our society and transit would somehow function better without law enforcement, I think there's also a portion of the population that is scared of police background checks - which happens if the police are fare enforcers. If we have faregate enforcement (with either security or police to enforce), or have enforcement officers punish gate-jumpers with simple, on-the-spot fines (which happens in some countries, although very unlikely to happen here), then the police can interact with riders less often, and more often with likely egregious lawbreakers. Until Metro gets serious about making the system safe, only the staunch and brave will get out of a Staples Center (or Inglewood area) game at 10pm and take the train or bus home. And, even discounting any money issue, I can't imagine that LAX would even contemplate extending their APM to Inglewood and opening it to the general public.
I used to assure people that Metro was pretty safe. Can’t do that any longer. A 16 year old girl was raped after a guy stalked her on the A Line on Sun. Seems like something awful every week. abc7.com/teen-rape-suspect-los-angeles-police-16-year-old-girl-attack-long-beach-train-station/11067068/ |
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Post by Tomthumb on Oct 6, 2021 15:55:16 GMT -8
My main concern with a people mover is capacity— even at 2-3 minute frequencies, those small trains would definitely have problems accommodating a metro train worth of people, not to mention those getting to the people mover in other ways. The most ideal mode I can think of for this route would be buses that queue up at the stations in groups of three or four, but then you’d have to worry about getting caught in traffic. As it so happens, something being built now in Mexico City (which I haven’t seen anywhere else before) actually gives us the best of both worlds— a completely elevated bus line. The question is, is the city of Inglewood forward-thinking enough to consider such a proposal? mexicobusiness.news/mobility/news/mexico-city-government-improves-mobility-elevated-trolley |
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Post by bluelineshawn on Oct 8, 2021 17:02:05 GMT -8
gives us the best of both worlds— a completely elevated bus line. It combines the expense of a train with the comfort of a bus.  |
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Post by bzcat on Oct 11, 2021 9:50:37 GMT -8
gives us the best of both worlds— a completely elevated bus line. It combines the expense of a train with the comfort of a bus. Maybe he works for BYD... they'll try anything to sell the bus that no one in the US wants to buy  |
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Post by Tomthumb on Oct 12, 2021 5:30:58 GMT -8
gives us the best of both worlds— a completely elevated bus line. It combines the expense of a train with the comfort of a bus. Well that’s one way to think of it. Do you think an APM as So proposed will provide the necessary capacity? Remember that one of the successes of the 1984 olympics was the implementation of bus shuttles to venues. |
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Post by bzcat on Oct 12, 2021 14:48:40 GMT -8
It combines the expense of a train with the comfort of a bus. Well that’s one way to think of it. Do you think an APM as So proposed will provide the necessary capacity? Remember that one of the successes of the 1984 olympics was the implementation of bus shuttles to venues. Nothing wrong with bus to connect SoFi to Crenshaw line. The issue is why you think it has to be elevated? Some cones laydown on the road for exclusive bus lane achieve the same result. Inglewood's APM plan is not strictly a game day thing. They want a year-round transit service connecting the new entertainment district by SoFi to Downtown. It's as much of an urban development plan as it is a transit project. The elevated APM should provide plenty of the capacity despite for the intended use. The distance and type of service they desire is actually best served by a streetcar but it doesn't appear that is on the table as an option. During game day, temporary express bus lane can shuttle people to/from Crenshaw line and the stadium in addition to the APM. It's not an either or situation. |
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Post by Tomthumb on Oct 16, 2021 14:30:01 GMT -8
Well that’s one way to think of it. Do you think an APM as So proposed will provide the necessary capacity? Remember that one of the successes of the 1984 olympics was the implementation of bus shuttles to venues. Nothing wrong with bus to connect SoFi to Crenshaw line. The issue is why you think it has to be elevated? Some cones laydown on the road for exclusive bus lane achieve the same result. Inglewood's APM plan is not strictly a game day thing. They want a year-round transit service connecting the new entertainment district by SoFi to Downtown. It's as much of an urban development plan as it is a transit project. The elevated APM should provide plenty of the capacity despite for the intended use. The distance and type of service they desire is actually best served by a streetcar but it doesn't appear that is on the table as an option. During game day, temporary express bus lane can shuttle people to/from Crenshaw line and the stadium in addition to the APM. It's not an either or situation. I see what you’re saying about the APM being useful for the entertainment district year round. As for game day, surface-level bus lanes would be nice, but it seems harder to organize than the Dodger Stadium Express on a technical level. Union Station has an abundance of bus facilities while downtown Inglewood station won’t, especially not for this kind of bus service; that’s why I thought of an elevated bus terminal at the northern end. Therefore, the large loop surface buses would have to make to be able to line up on Florence raises the issue of travel time. It may be only 10 minutes or so each direction, but on game day that’s a lot of buses and drivers, and a 4 minutes end-to-end elevated bus seems more affordable in the long run- especially if it used the autonomous buses being released now. As a much more modest goal, An APM should be designed to accommodate 6-car game day trains, at least. The report metrocenter posted back in ‘18 makes reference to “up to” 6 cars or 7 cars, though not in connection to platform length, and I wouldn’t put it past mayor Butts and the Inglewood city council to conclude that their system only required platforms accommodating 2 car trains. I get that it’s not either-or, and that a surface bus line could be a reliever for an APM, but that’s politically messy, and there IS a way to make this work with just one system. |
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Post by usmc1401 on Jul 25, 2024 14:37:57 GMT -8
Congress has pulled this money for the Inglewood APM. Should be built as a longer light rail line.
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Post by masonite on Jul 27, 2024 17:05:39 GMT -8
Congress has pulled this money for the Inglewood APM. Should be built as a longer light rail line. Longer light rail line??? That makes no sense. There is no ROW here so it will be nearly as expensive but will have much lower frequency than a APM. Plus there is no natural way to extend a light rail line here. The C Line will end at the Airport Station, which is a logical terminus for it. |
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