|
Post by bennyp81 on May 24, 2005 19:52:40 GMT -8
Because it's neat to have links in your posts (Yay!), I thought I'd post this again. www.geocities.com/bennyp81/LosAngeles.gifIt still features the Sky Line, the coupled SFV light rail line I brought up some time back, and an LAX-Beverly Hills-Hollywood-Glendale-Pasadena Plum Line. Some folks at these boards have suggested that the Red Line should continue east of Union Station onto the El Monte Busway. I'm not sure if that's a good idea, since the Red Line comes under Union Station at a sharp angle towards its yards. After mulling it, it might work better if my Sky Line continues onto the El Monte Busway, instead of continuing onto Pasadena as I have shown. The Sky Line would come at an easier angle that could point towards the busway. The Red Line should still continue towards Whittier.
|
|
|
Post by crzwdjk on May 24, 2005 21:19:37 GMT -8
The Red Line can continue just fine to the busway. At Union Station, the Red Line is very close to a 45 degree angle to the railroad tracks. Just past the east end of the station, the main tracks to the yard move slightly inward, and there is space for a pair of tracks to move outward and diverge from that line. If the extension is to be built, it would start there, dive down under the tracks going to the yard, and start diverging under the 101 freeway. From there, it would make a fairly wide turn from southeast to northeast, and continue to a portal on the small field north of the 10/101 triangle interchange, right before the Metrolink tracks join the ROW. From there it could continue on the northern half of the busway up to the Cal State station, beyond which point a more significant reconstruction and reconfiguration would be needed.
|
|
joequality
Junior Member
Bitte, ein Bit!
Posts: 88
|
Post by joequality on Mar 16, 2007 13:57:57 GMT -8
Numan, did you use any specific software to make the cool looking regional map? Or was it just Paint with a lot of patience?
|
|
|
Post by bennyp81 on Mar 16, 2007 18:06:52 GMT -8
Paint with plenty of patience. Having the Johnston typeface also helped.
|
|
Mac
Full Member
Posts: 192
|
Post by Mac on May 1, 2007 17:12:00 GMT -8
Photoshop is pretty good for the quality..... but not the price. Or you can get Corel draw or photoshop elements, which should be good enough, but it takes a bit of time to learn. Me personally, i can't stand paint...
|
|
|
Post by bennyp81 on May 18, 2012 13:07:11 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 18, 2012 13:32:34 GMT -8
Amusing map, though not that well thought-out or designed by somepne who actually knows the communities listed. For one, "Melrose Hill" is not along Sunset Blvd. And despite the Regional Connector being included, riders from Long Beach would STILL be forced to make a transfer to get to Pasadena?
|
|
|
Post by James Fujita on May 18, 2012 15:08:39 GMT -8
That is an interesting point about the Blue Line.
Also, a dozen Metro Rail lines from Chatsworth to Santa Ana (and the Westside covered like a blanket) and everything south of North Redondo still gets just a Metrolink line? Le sigh.
|
|
|
Post by ieko on May 18, 2012 15:51:32 GMT -8
Grids are your friend! Metro is a very grid-centric network, so don't expect Metro to branch...
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 18, 2012 15:59:02 GMT -8
Grids are your friend! Metro is a very grid-centric network, so don't expect Metro to branch... Here's the thing, Metro BUSES are very grid-centric, not necessarily rail. The Pacific Electric was not grid-centric, and many of our routes take after former PE lines, whether by general corridor or actual ROW. Do keep in mind that the lines are not actual straight lines, but are simplified as such in the maps.
|
|
|
Post by ieko on May 18, 2012 17:19:55 GMT -8
Grids are your friend! Metro is a very grid-centric network, so don't expect Metro to branch... Here's the thing, Metro BUSES are very grid-centric, not necessarily rail. The Pacific Electric was not grid-centric, and many of our routes take after former PE lines, whether by general corridor or actual ROW. Do keep in mind that the lines are not actual straight lines, but are simplified as such in the maps. Huh? Metro rail is a grid, grid does not mean "straight-line" the only exception here is the red/purple lines but this wasn't by design, had there not been methan issues for the purple line we would've never had the red line branch. Grid lines generally mean from one end to another without duplication and significant deviations, L shaped lines count as well--muni has some bus routes like this.
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 18, 2012 17:40:09 GMT -8
Here's the thing, Metro BUSES are very grid-centric, not necessarily rail. The Pacific Electric was not grid-centric, and many of our routes take after former PE lines, whether by general corridor or actual ROW. Do keep in mind that the lines are not actual straight lines, but are simplified as such in the maps. Huh? Metro rail is a grid, grid does not mean "straight-line" the only exception here is the red/purple lines but this wasn't by design, had there not been methan issues for the purple line we would've never had the red line branch. Grid lines generally mean from one end to another without duplication and significant deviations, L shaped lines count as well--muni has some bus routes like this. Grid:- Surveying . a basic system of reference lines for a region, consisting of straight lines intersecting at right angles. - a network of horizontal and perpendicular lines, uniformly spaced, for locating points on a map, chart, or aerial photograph by means of a system of coordinates. If you want to make up your own definition, make up a new term... Had the 1985 methane gas explosion not happened, the subway would have even less grid-like; the line would have turned up Fairfax, and then back east on Hollywood, then northwest to North Hollywood as it does now. The line going west towards Beverly Hills and beyond was still an afterthought.
|
|
|
Post by ieko on May 18, 2012 18:15:28 GMT -8
Huh? Metro rail is a grid, grid does not mean "straight-line" the only exception here is the red/purple lines but this wasn't by design, had there not been methan issues for the purple line we would've never had the red line branch. Grid lines generally mean from one end to another without duplication and significant deviations, L shaped lines count as well--muni has some bus routes like this. Grid:- Surveying . a basic system of reference lines for a region, consisting of straight lines intersecting at right angles. - a network of horizontal and perpendicular lines, uniformly spaced, for locating points on a map, chart, or aerial photograph by means of a system of coordinates. If you want to make up your own definition, make up a new term... Had the 1985 methane gas explosion not happened, the subway would have even less grid-like; the line would have turned up Fairfax, and then back east on Hollywood, then northwest to North Hollywood as it does now. The line going west towards Beverly Hills and beyond was still an afterthought. Okay, fine -- I should've said "a network of horizontal, perpendicular and diagonal lines" Metro Rail is for the most part a radial grid, grids don't have to look like a waffle pattern. But grid lines can still be an L shape, really -- it's just taking two potential lines and making them one. The original design for the red line is a grid line, but radial, similar to the radial grid of Chicago (they have both radial and traditional). www.humantransit.org/2010/02/the-power-and-pleasure-of-grids.html
|
|
|
Post by matthewb on May 19, 2012 1:29:32 GMT -8
I still think this map is a fantastic, and realistic goal:
|
|
|
Post by ieko on May 19, 2012 2:15:42 GMT -8
I still think this map is a fantastic, and realistic goal: That's actually a pretty nice & safe bet map, surprised not to see a predication for eastside phase 2 or Santa Ana branch on there though I would expect by the time we get to the end of the scope of the current Measure R, the poor Orange will be in desperate need of a capacity upgrade.
|
|
|
Post by matthewb on May 19, 2012 2:19:50 GMT -8
That's actually a pretty nice & safe bet map, surprised not to see a predication for eastside phase 2 on there though or Santa Ana branch I didn't make the map. I've modified my previous post to give the original flickr link. I think, though, that it is probably the best conceptual map I've seen of how LA Metro can evolve into a mature system. Of course there are some things missing, and I would route the northern extension of the Crenshaw line differently, but overall it's pretty good. I imagine many more places will start pushing for an extension to get connected to the network once this core system gets built, but the core has to be there first.
|
|
|
Post by ieko on May 19, 2012 2:44:19 GMT -8
That's actually a pretty nice & safe bet map, surprised not to see a predication for eastside phase 2 on there though or Santa Ana branch I didn't make the map. I've modified my previous post to give the original flickr link. I think, though, that it is probably the best conceptual map I've seen of how LA Metro can evolve into a mature system. Of course there are some things missing, and I would route the northern extension of the Crenshaw line differently, but overall it's pretty good. I imagine many more places will start pushing for an extension to get connected to the network once this core system gets built, but the core has to be there first. Agreed, the holes in southern LA county and OC will become pretty glaring by that time!
|
|
|
Post by bluelineshawn on May 19, 2012 9:40:57 GMT -8
That's actually a pretty nice & safe bet map, surprised not to see a predication for eastside phase 2 or Santa Ana branch on there though Agreed. Those are pretty glaring omissions for what (aside from a couple of bits) is essentially a Measure R map.
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 19, 2012 14:03:45 GMT -8
Metro needs to show all of the "Under Construction" projects on its current maps as dotted lines, just to show things are on the way and that their tax dollars are at work. The typical Angeleno doesn't visit this forum or follow transportation blogs.
|
|
|
Post by matthewb on May 19, 2012 15:33:45 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 19, 2012 16:29:31 GMT -8
Yes, I've seen these, but these are not the same maps that are currently on display on the trains and stations -- you know, where everyone can see them!
|
|
|
Post by matthewb on May 20, 2012 3:51:06 GMT -8
i think that Metro doesn't want to confuse anyone. If you look quickly you don't know whether the dashed line just means limited service. There would be an explanation in the legend, but not everyone can read English. Also, these projects take years and it can be very frustrating for someone to see the dashed line for such a long time without an idea when it would open. That could be fixed by putting a projected opening date on each dashed line, but then people might get upset if that date isn't met. I think Metro knows these tradeoffs and has made a conscious decision on how to display information to riders. They updated the "under construction maps" just before the Expo line opened, but they waited to update the official network maps on their website until the night before Expo opened. The network maps in stations should really tell people where they can get today, which is what they do.
|
|
|
Post by soundguise on May 20, 2012 9:23:06 GMT -8
Agencies do need to be careful about posting maps with future extensions on them. There are sites all over the internet with examples of optimistic signage and map postings from the past that were left unfinished and were later removed and are now collectors items.
I say the maps can and should show extensions 3-6 months before they open as long as they clearly indicate future service with a conservative opening date.
|
|
|
Post by Elson on May 20, 2012 13:38:25 GMT -8
No valid excuses. Other cities put "Under Construction" lines that are a few years away (no more than 3 or 4 of course). Not asking for a Numan Parada Fantasy Fanboy Map, Just put Expo Phase 2 and Gold Line Foothill, that's all I'm asking. Especially for Expo, that would address any concerns about, "Why does this line end here and not all the way to the beach?" Not everyone knows that the Expo Line will go to Santa Monica in 4 years. Not everyone knows the Expo Line is even open already. Both extensions are less than 5 years away, and the dirt is already being dug for both.
|
|