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Post by neyojii on Apr 26, 2008 19:39:00 GMT -8
Heres some sad news, Metro is now planning on retiring their Nippon Sharyo cars 100-148, and replacing them with Siemens P2020 cars, i wonder where they will go?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 27, 2008 12:38:00 GMT -8
Where did you hear that? If that's true they would be replacing them with cars that wouldn't be able to transfer to the Expo and Gold lines without a trip to the shop. The whole idea behind the Breda cars was to get cars that could run on all of the lines. This would be very problematic in the near term and even worse when the Regional Connector opens. It's a little hard to believe. Do you have a link?
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Post by James Fujita on Apr 27, 2008 13:38:16 GMT -8
pardon my ignorance, but why can't the P2020s run on the Expo and Gold Lines?
surely all of our light rail lines have the same specifications?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 27, 2008 13:54:49 GMT -8
I dunno. It was something that came up on the old forum a few times. Here's one link. I assume that the blue line is the one that's different and all of the ones since then are the same.
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Post by neyojii on Apr 27, 2008 15:56:28 GMT -8
Where did you hear that? If that's true they would be replacing them with cars that wouldn't be able to transfer to the Expo and Gold lines without a trip to the shop. The whole idea behind the Breda cars was to get cars that could run on all of the lines. This would be very problematic in the near term and even worse when the Regional Connector opens. It's a little hard to believe. Do you have a link? It came from wikipedia, it says LACMTA is planning on retiring all of the P850 cars, and replacing them with P2020's, it could be the same ones that were tested on the blue line. I hope its not true myself, because I would truely miss the Nippon Sharyo's but if it does happen I hope they end up in a museum, hopefully in Perris, CA.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 27, 2008 16:37:51 GMT -8
I think that you misunderstood. The P2020's that were originally on the green line were transferred to the blue line several years ago when the green line got the P2000's. The blue line was supposed to be getting the P2550's from the first option, but someone here said that Metro never exercised the option. The P2550's are the new Breda cars that have been testing on the gold line and very occasionally on the blue line. See this thread. If they haven't exercised the option I don't know what's ahead for the blue line. Lastly wiki was wrong. The blue line cars are P865's not P850's. I edited that back yesterday.
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Post by James Fujita on Apr 27, 2008 22:46:20 GMT -8
I dunno. It was something that came up on the old forum a few times. Here's one link. I assume that the blue line is the one that's different and all of the ones since then are the same. it seems like an incredible blunder to have different lines run on different power systems. after all, the Expo line will share track with the Blue Line and when the regional connector is built, there will be a direct link between the Blue and Gold Lines. then, there is the possibility that the Crenshaw Line will connect the Expo and Green Lines.... well, you get the point. the Pacific Electric didn't have trolleys that could only run on the Long Beach line or on the Orange County routes @_@ ah well, godspeed to the Nippon Sharyo trains, and surely there's a rail system somewhere that would want them, even if the MTA doesn't?
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Post by tonyw79sfv on Apr 27, 2008 23:14:31 GMT -8
So it's the original Nippon Sharyo from the 1989 delivery that are being retired, not the 1994 delivery originally for the Green Line right? If so, then we'll still have relatively the same cars around, just not the originals, which I'm guessing are the ones with the city plaques on them. It won't be long before whatever replaces the old cars to get a lot of scratchitti and graffiti. I'm a daily user of the 233 and 761, but haven't been on the 754 that much, but when I did, it was a mess inside those supposedly new buses.
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Post by antonio on Feb 24, 2009 23:51:22 GMT -8
The Nippon Sharyos will live on. If you haven't seen the agenda and handout from the most recent MTA Operations Comittee meeting you should check it out. All of the Nippon Sharyos (both P850 and P2020) are going to be refurbished as part of a contract for 100 new cars (the Breda option for 100 P2550s that was never exercised due to the issues had with them). The contract would include both the refurbishment of the 67 Nippon Sharyos and the 100 new cars (to be dubbed the P3000) and would go to one bidder. Were still receiving the order of 50 P2550s from Breda, but apparently they weren't up to snuff for the operations people. Also, its important to note that the overhaul and new car orders are both going through (instead of either or) because of the Measure R projects on the horizon and predicted ridership
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Post by bluelineshawn on Aug 16, 2009 16:19:22 GMT -8
After almost a 2 year absence a Breda lrv is back in the blue line yard. Not sure if it's there for testing, crew familiarization, or heavy maintenance, but it's parked where they used to park the Breda's near the blue line tracks. It's No. 731.
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Post by redwings105th on Mar 18, 2010 15:40:58 GMT -8
I saw a Siemens lrv today at the Blue Line yard today. Is Metro going to test the Siemens on the Blue Line for compabilty?
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Post by snuffy on Aug 30, 2010 20:23:32 GMT -8
I saw a Siemens lrv today at the Blue Line yard today. Is Metro going to test the Siemens on the Blue Line for compabilty? I saw them too. I think those are coming from Gold Line. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqYJKGF9vjU
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Post by bluelineshawn on Aug 30, 2010 21:25:56 GMT -8
I posted about this the other day as well in the Expo thread. While it's not unusual to see a Siemens car at the blue line yard it is unusual to see so many at once. My speculation is that with all of the P2550's that have been delivered to the gold line and with Metro having announced that Expo will get Siemens cars, that they are getting these cars ready to run on the blue/expo lines. The beginning of testing on Expo is only months away.
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Post by metrocenter on Sept 13, 2010 22:22:25 GMT -8
I'm going to elaborate on bluelineshawn's post for anybody who needs it.
When Metro canceled the Breda option in December 2009 or thereabouts, they announced they would be seeking a new contract (now called the P3000 series). The initial order will be used for Expo 1 and 2 plus the Foothill Extension.
But alas, the new LRVs won't be available until at least 2014. So Metro's plan is to borrow LRVs from another line to service Expo Phase 1 when it opens 12-18 months from now. This is why Siemens P2000 cars are appearing at Division 11 in Long Beach. Either testing or retrofitting or whatever is needed to make them runnable on Expo.
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