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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 2:03:58 GMT -8
67.33 @ 90%. Still going upward. We will know in 40 minutes whether Measure R will pass; although, I am tempted to already call it!
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Post by masonite on Nov 5, 2008 2:11:41 GMT -8
67.33 @ 90%. Still going upward. We will know in 40 minutes whether Measure R will pass; although, I am tempted to already call it! Lets not jinx it too soon. We don't know where that 10% of the outstanding vote is, and we are only a little more than 0.5% up. Lets say I am cautiously optomistic. This night is too good to be true. HSR looks good too right now with 81% of the vote counted.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 2:23:41 GMT -8
67.35% @ 97%. I think it's passed, but let's hold our breaths for 20 more minutes until it's over.
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Post by spokker on Nov 5, 2008 2:30:04 GMT -8
Ugh, I need to wake up at 8AM, but I need to see this.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 2:50:47 GMT -8
It looks like they've stopped updating their page now. So, this means time for bed. Only 3% of precints to go. Looking really good.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 3:57:56 GMT -8
Measure R has passedMeasure R passed with 67.41% @ 100.00% precints reported, as of 3:24 AM. 66.67% was needed. That's a margin of only 0.75% or 18,080 votes out of 2,423,043. It looks like Los Angeles has a future after all. Also passed is Proposition 1A -- California high-speed rail -- with 52.3% @ 88.8% precints reporting. What an amazing night. Goodnight everyone.
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Post by tonyw79sfv on Nov 5, 2008 4:58:12 GMT -8
Congratulations everybody, this is really good news! As for me, I feel that this is one of the most special elections where my votes really did count for once. We got Obama; a nearly full Democratic control in DC, Prop 1A passed, and now Measure R. I was confident on Obamarama, and he sure pulled through. The Props I wanted to pass or fail started off on the opposite direction (1A, 3, 8, and R) early last night; although 8 is not going my way, the other three, after a good nights sleep is. I'm sure my coworkers at the Children's Hospital Los Angeles (which is on the Red Line) will surely welcome news on Prop 3. I noticed that as the precincts started reporting in, the margins got smaller in those 4 Props which means that the more Democratic votes may have been counted last.
I can taste all the new rail projects in the coming decade. As a Valley resident, my future is set on seeing the Metrolink Antelope Valley corridor transformed for high speed rail, the extension of the Purple Line to Westwood, the completion of the Expo Line to Santa Monica, hopefully better bus service on Van Nuys as identified in the LRTP, and hopefully a rail connection through the Sepulveda Pass. Thanks to everyone who voted on Props A and C to bring us the current rail system we have; our vote late night will definitely shape our region and state for the generations to come. Imagine, the ease of going from the Bay Area or Fresno to Santa Monica or the Westide; in the future it can be done on rails now!
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Post by kenalpern on Nov 5, 2008 5:35:39 GMT -8
I've waited a long time to say this:
O HAPPY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jejozwik on Nov 5, 2008 6:55:26 GMT -8
oh good morning los angeles!
jesus, two months ago i would have never thought obamama, hsr, and measure r passed
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Nov 5, 2008 8:03:36 GMT -8
I can see how furious Molina and Antonovich will be. Now that Molina will have $700 million for an east extension of the Gold Line, and Antonovich gets another $700 million for the Gold Line in the San Gabriel Valley. They must be pissed!
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Post by whitmanlam on Nov 5, 2008 8:11:49 GMT -8
So, what's Mark Ridley Thomas' stand on the issue of Transit ?? Is he in favor of the Crenshaw line or a Harbor Subdivision line ? Is he in favor of any new line ?
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Post by metrocenter on Nov 5, 2008 8:43:39 GMT -8
Oh hell yeah!!! If these results hold, this is great news!
Now the subway and light rail extensions are no longer just theoretical. They will happen, because a good amount of the funds now actually exist.
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Post by JerardWright on Nov 5, 2008 10:16:43 GMT -8
Oh happy day! Oh Happy Day! Now the crocodile tear cries of equity will be less vocal because the voters had their say.
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 13:10:23 GMT -8
Thank you to everyone, all the transit advocates on this board and elsewhere, Los Angeles County Museum of Art, who threw $1 million into the campaign, those Metro politicians and staff with good vision, the rain that messed up the traffic in the election morning, and so on. This was so close that it wouldn't have passed if it was not for all of these. Despite what's said in the popular media, Measure R is much more than subway to Century City and Westwood; it is what will turn the entire Los Angeles County into a completely different, much livable and people-friendly Metropolitan area, with a comprehensive light-, heavy-, and commuter-rail network. We have now achieved what a few transit advocates have been trying to achieve for half a century.
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Post by masonite on Nov 5, 2008 13:38:51 GMT -8
Thank you to everyone, all the transit advocates on this board and elsewhere, Los Angeles County Museum of Art, who threw $1 million into the campaign, those Metro politicians and staff with good vision, the rain that messed up the traffic in the election morning, and so on. This was so close that it wouldn't have passed if it was not for all of these. Despite what's said in the popular media, Measure R is much more than subway to Century City and Westwood; it is what will turn the entire Los Angeles County into a completely different, much livable and people-friendly Metropolitan area, with a comprehensive light-, heavy-, and commuter-rail network. We have now achieved what a few transit advocates have been trying to achieve for half a century. I concur. I am shocked and elated to say the least. I had 3 big things (1A, R and you can guess the other one) in the election that I was super passionate about and I told myself I should be happy if I get one and ecstatic if I get two. I never thought three was really possible so I am overjoyed. However, it should be noted that there are more than a few challenges ahead. For HSR, I am still not necessarily sure this will be built. Inflation, construction overruns, and mis-management are huge concerns of mine for both 1A and R. Also, we need major federal support for both HSR and Measure R for these measures to really work. I worry the operating deficit will swallow Measure R funds as well. I can already see the Unions for Metro planning their next strike if they don't get big pay increases from Metro. Finally, lets not forget about lawsuits stopping rail expansion. Yes, unfortunately, the work is just beginning.
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Post by jejozwik on Nov 5, 2008 14:02:50 GMT -8
[Yes, unfortunately, the work is just beginning. true but at least today we can say we have the oppotunity for things to become cost over run, or miss managed. rather then talking about what lines will be cut next week
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Post by jejozwik on Nov 5, 2008 14:18:04 GMT -8
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Nov 5, 2008 14:51:16 GMT -8
Now...they can find that $18 million for the pedestrian bridge over Farmdale!
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Post by roadtrainer on Nov 5, 2008 15:37:46 GMT -8
Now...they can find that $18 million for the pedestrian bridge over Farmdale! Better yet build the flyover and leave Farmdale open.
When does the actual taxation start?
I heard that the demoncrats want to give us a stimulus, can't wait to spend the stimulus in L.A. County so the sales tax will help get the expo and gold line extensions built!
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 5, 2008 16:30:39 GMT -8
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Post by bluelineshawn on Nov 5, 2008 18:25:50 GMT -8
"When does the actual taxation start? "
According to the language in the Measure not less than 180 days after approval or something like that. So at least 6 months from now. All the estimates show the spending beginning in 2010.
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Post by darrell on Nov 5, 2008 20:48:52 GMT -8
I posted two photos of this morning's Measure R press conference you won't find on the Bottleneck Blog at LA Visions.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Nov 5, 2008 21:01:03 GMT -8
Tax is expected to start 7/1/09, when the county's fiscal calendar begins. That's what I believe.
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Post by whitmanlam on Nov 5, 2008 22:34:24 GMT -8
Can they start allocating funds on projects before 7/1/08 ? Knowing that the funds are secure ?
Let's break ground and get started as soon as possible. I want to see it get built in my lifetime.
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Post by metrocenter on Nov 6, 2008 7:23:21 GMT -8
Can they start allocating funds on projects before 7/1/08 ? Only if they have a time machine.
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Post by bobdavis on Nov 6, 2008 9:24:45 GMT -8
There are such things as "revenue anticipation notes", which government entities use to borrow money when tax receipts come in large "chunks", such as county residential property taxes, which are usually paid in December and April. On the other hand, it will take a while to figure out the details of using the funds from the tax increase, so "RAN's" may not be needed or even usable.
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Post by bobdavis on Nov 6, 2008 12:00:42 GMT -8
Two different points of view: The LA Times has reported the passage of "R" as a "done deal", while the Pasadena Star-News reminded readers of the provisional and mail-in ballots that haven't yet been counted. In case you haven't guessed, the Pasadena paper was against "R".
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Nov 6, 2008 13:04:03 GMT -8
Looking at the official website by the secretary of state (http://rrccmain.co.la.ca.us/0018_CountyMeasure_Frame.htm), it shows 100% of the precints reporting with a passage at 67.41%. If there are more ballots to count, why show 100% precints reporting?
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 6, 2008 13:47:20 GMT -8
The current margin is only 18,080 votes. There are about 500,000 - 600,000 unprocessed ballots. Since we don't know the precise nature of these ballots, we won't really know whether Measure R has passed or failed until early to mid-December. But let's stay optimistic and believe the argument below. In the election night, the trend of the votes for Measure R almost always remained upward, except briefly during early stages, which was a really good sign. It would be beyond heartbreaking if the NIMBY votes made a comeback and Measure R failed.Bottleneck blogProponents say Measure R results will standI've received several e-mails from readers asking if the Measure R results will stand, given that it was a tight race -- it passed with 67.41% of the vote, needing 66.67% -- and that there are still thousands of provisional and absentee ballots to be counted. The short answer is that Measure R proponents are confident the math is in their favor. County Registrar Dean Logan on Wednesday told the Board of Supervisors there are likely more than 205,000 provisional ballots and 300,000 to 400,000 absentee ballots still be counted. (Here's a link to the preliminary transcript). A little more than 2.4 million people voted for Measure R, so there are potentially a considerable number of votes still out there to counted. The question is whether there are enough outstanding votes to change the results. I think it's certainly possible, but I don't have anything in my reporting to suggest it's likely. If, for example, there are still 500,000 outstanding votes on Measure R still to count and if I'm doing my math correctly, Measure R would have to receive less than 59% of the vote from those ballots. MetroriderLA went through the Registrar's posting of Measure R results by city and posted this handy Google spreadsheet of the results. The list shows that Measure R received less than 59% support in only a few cities in L.A. County, and most of those cities were small. It's worth noting that the results, however, show that Measure R struggled to get two-thirds support in the San Gabriel Valley, the heart of opposition for the measure. Even if there are 700,000 ballots outstanding, Measure R would need about 61% of those votes to still pass. Again, the above list of city results suggests that's likely. It's also worth pointing out that the more Measure R votes that were counted, the more support it received. Many of the outstanding ballots were likely cast either after the Measure R ads began airing on television or were provisional ballots from Democrats voting for Sen. Barack Obama, which was the exact demographic the Measure R campaign was targeting. -- Steve Hymon
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 6, 2008 14:31:55 GMT -8
Good people hope Measure R will stand; others hope it will tumble and fail. This is the interview of Dean Logan, registrar - recorder, from the transcript of the Board of Supervisors meeting yesterday.
19 SUP. ANTONOVICH: WHEN WILL WE HAVE THE FINAL RESULTS OF THE -- 20 LAST NIGHT'S ELECTION RELATIVE TO ALL THE PROPOSITIONS? 21 22 SPEAKER: THE OFFICIAL CANVAS IS A 28-DAY PROCESS. THE BULK OF 23 THE REMAINING BALLOTS SHOULD BE COUNTED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO 24 WEEKS. I WOULD SAY THAT THE NEXT BIG UPDATE WILL PROBABLY BE 25 MID WEEK NEXT WEEK AND THAT WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF THE 1 REMAINING VOTE BY MAIL BALLOTS AND THE FIRST SET OF 2 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS AND THEN WE'LL JUST -- THE REMAINING PART 3 OF THAT CANVAS WILL BE THE LINGERING PROVISIONAL BALLOTS. 4 5 SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND HOW MANY OF THOSE -- WHAT'S THE TOTAL 6 NUMBER OF THOSE? 7 8 SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE A COUNT ON THE PROVISIONALS. WE SHOULD 9 HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THAT BY THE END OF TODAY. FOUR YEARS AGO, 10 JUST AS A BASE PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD 205,000 PROVISIONAL 11 BALLOTS, SO IT'S A LARGE NUMBER. WE HAVE PROBABLY 300 TO 12 400,000 OUTSTANDING VOTE BY MAIL BALLOTS THAT STILL REMAIN TO 13 BE PROCESSED. 14 15 SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO WE STILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200,000 MORE 16 VOTES TO BE COUNTED. 17 18 SPEAKER: AT LEAST 200,000. PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT. 19 20 SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND HOW MANY VOTES DID PROPOSITION R PASS BY? 21 22 SUP. KNABE: IT'S ONLY AHEAD BY .71%, SO OBVIOUSLY STILL CAN'T 23 CALL T. RIGHT? 24 1 SPEAKER: RIGHT. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO CALL ANYTHING AT 2 THIS POINT. THOSE RESULTS ARE STILL THE UNOFFICIAL FINALS. 3 4 SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A FEW HUNDRED VOTES 5 DIFFERENCE OR A FEW THOUSAND VOTES DIFFERENCE? 6 7 SPEAKER: I'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THE MATH BECAUSE IT'S THE 8 TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I CAN GET AN 9 ESTIMATE OUT ON THAT LATER TODAY. THE TREND ON THAT THROUGHOUT 10 THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT WAS CONSISTENT, SO, AGAIN, THINGS CAN 11 CHANGE, BUT STATISTICALLY IT HAS REMAINED -- 12 13 SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO THERE'S ABOUT -- 14 15 SUP. KNABE: IT'S LESS THAN 1%. 16 17 SPEAKER: IT'S LESS THAN 1st% OF THE VOTES CAST, SO, YEAH, 18 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE THOUSAND. 19 20 SUP. ANTONOVICH: A COUPLE THOUSAND, AND YOU HAVE 200,000 MORE. 21 THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
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