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Post by joshuanickel on Nov 11, 2014 19:23:31 GMT -8
Are you talking about the Little Tokyo junction? We talked about on back on page 27 of this thread. The surface track from East LA to Union Station will be preserved so technically we can branch the line but operationally, the legacy track will probably only be used to shuttle empty trains from the Monrovia or Chinatown yard to the eastern terminus of E Line (East LA to Santa Monica). This thread talks about the likely service pattern, including branch options: transittalk.proboards.com/thread/828/pasadena-culver-cityThe only one that is not likely to see revenue operation is the current Gold Line pattern (East LA to Pasadena). All others are on the table: Azusa-Long Beach, Azusa-Santa Monica, East LA-Santa Monica, East LA-Long Beach. Bzcat, Are you sure that the tracks from the current Little Tokyo station to Union Station and also East LA will be preserved? When I look at the construction drawings, the new tracks coming toward Union Station are East of the current station on the Mangrove Property. But those tracks will then have to come up and connect to the current bridge over the 101 freeway. For the current track(s) to remain physically connected, they would have to have a junction so that trains coming from Union Station would have the ability to actually switch from the normal Regional Connector route and go to the existing Little Tokyo station. You would also need the same connection of the current ground level tracks on the section that then goes to East LA. Also, do we know for sure what will actually happen to the current Little Tokyo station? The FEIR didn't mention anything concerning that. RT As I said above, Unless things have changed, the existing tracks and station will not be kept. The plan according to the FEIR is to temporally have the gold line operate on a single track during construction, but once construction is finished, there will be something that is similar to the expo/blue line junction except this will be grade separated where there is no direct access between pasadena and east la. Part of the issue is the required retaining wall needed from when it comes off the 101 bridge down in to the tunnel going from a 3.17% grade on the bridge ramp to a 5.91% grade in to the tunnel. Here is the link to the drawings in the FEIR: Appendix 1 Locally Preferred Alternative Drawings Part 1 of 2Appendix 1 Locally Preferred Alternative Drawings Part 2 of 2
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Post by metrocenter on Nov 12, 2014 9:39:02 GMT -8
^ That was my recollection: by the time the new connector has come online, the old track will be removed.
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Post by metrocenter on Nov 12, 2014 9:44:09 GMT -8
BTW, there is some serious work being done on Flower Street at 5th. Center lanes of Flower are closed and K-rail is up. According to a recent construction notice, this is for telecom/cable work, which will continue over the next several months.
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Post by masonite on Nov 12, 2014 10:15:20 GMT -8
BTW, there is some serious work being done on Flower Street at 5th. Center lanes of Flower are closed and K-rail is up. According to a recent construction notice, this is for telecom/cable work, which will continue over the next several months. Overall, there is going to be quite a lot of construction going on in the City for the next few years. This is the downside of MetroRail expansion. Here in West LA, Expo hasn't been that bad, but the Wilshire Busway has a full lane of Wilshire closed and that is brutal. Of course, nothing is like the 405 work which is finally done. Luckily, I walk to work and don't drive much, but it often takes 40 minutes or more to get to the Culver City Station in the evenings and it is only 6.0 miles away. Not looking forward to tomorrow and getting to the Coliseum for the SC game. Expo Phase II can't come soon enough.
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Post by gatewaygent on Nov 12, 2014 19:30:57 GMT -8
The area around Alameda St./1st St. is going to be impacted again in about 10 to 15 years when the WSAB/PEROW (Santa Ana Line) needs to go through. It's probably a good thing it's so far in the future that plans can be drawn/redrawn to accommodate or avoid this mess. Current renderings have it running north on Alameda St. with a station on 7th and LAUS as the terminus. There's no mention of it using Lil Tokyo Station. I'm left wondering how it's supposed to access LAUS if the legacy tracks are eliminated. But, again, anything can happen in the next 10-15 years.
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Post by bzcat on Nov 13, 2014 11:45:07 GMT -8
As I said above, Unless things have changed, the existing tracks and station will not be kept. The plan according to the FEIR is to temporally have the gold line operate on a single track during construction, but once construction is finished, there will be something that is similar to the expo/blue line junction except this will be grade separated where there is no direct access between pasadena and east la. Part of the issue is the required retaining wall needed from when it comes off the 101 bridge down in to the tunnel going from a 3.17% grade on the bridge ramp to a 5.91% grade in to the tunnel. Here is the link to the drawings in the FEIR: Appendix 1 Locally Preferred Alternative Drawings Part 1 of 2Appendix 1 Locally Preferred Alternative Drawings Part 2 of 2Thanks for the clarification. My recollection must have been from DEIR... the configuration of this junction and the actual location of the station have changed two or three times during the entire EIR process.
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Dec 9, 2014 10:02:42 GMT -8
The area around Alameda St./1st St. is going to be impacted again in about 10 to 15 years when the WSAB/PEROW (Santa Ana Line) needs to go through. It's probably a good thing it's so far in the future that plans can be drawn/redrawn to accommodate or avoid this mess. Current renderings have it running north on Alameda St. with a station on 7th and LAUS as the terminus. There's no mention of it using Lil Tokyo Station. I'm left wondering how it's supposed to access LAUS if the legacy tracks are eliminated. But, again, anything can happen in the next 10-15 years. At recent Metro meeting a motion was passed to resolve to tie the West Santa Ana Branch Line into the Gold Line Eastside Extension. More info in the link on the WSAB thread. It would be much less disruptive to interline WSAB with GLEE to Union Station.
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Post by gatewaygent on Dec 9, 2014 19:58:39 GMT -8
Hmm? So East Bank option to Lorena St. and onto the Gold Line. I like it! However, that configuration wasn't studied and really that's too bad.
Coordination efforts have been long lacking in regards to these projects. So, it's about time!
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