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Post by Jason Saunders on May 2, 2009 8:15:39 GMT -8
I know the Harbor Transit Way is depicted in Bronze on the Metro Rail map but I believe the Bronze line would be a good line color for Expo. Bronze because it is sufficiently unique from the other colors (aqua and blue are very similar) and because people go to the beach to get a Bronze tan. A metallic name also compliments the last LRT line built, The Gold and of course leaves room for a Silver and Copper line for future rail expansion.
I do not believe the El monte Expressway or Harbor Transitway are popularly known by those colors thus now early in Metro Rails history is a good time to re appropriate those colors.
I am opposed to naming it Expo or anything other then a color because the line names should have uniformity.
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Post by Justin Walker on May 2, 2009 22:56:16 GMT -8
If not, we can follow their lead and just name one of the toilets after him.
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Post by darrell on May 2, 2009 23:12:42 GMT -8
I do not believe the El monte Expressway or Harbor Transitway are popularly known by those colors thus now early in Metro Rails history is a good time to re appropriate those colors. Metro is planning to combine the El Monte and (most of) Harbor Freeway lines into a Silver Line from El Monte to the Artesia Transit Center, likely in December. (Your Bronze Line for Expo is like the previously suggested Tan Line to the beach. )
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Post by Gokhan on May 2, 2009 23:38:45 GMT -8
I do not believe the El monte Expressway or Harbor Transitway are popularly known by those colors thus now early in Metro Rails history is a good time to re appropriate those colors. Metro is planning to combine the El Monte and (most of) Harbor Freeway lines into a Silver Line from El Monte to the Artesia Transit Center, likely in December. It's very sad given that the grassroots-advocated Silver Line LRT was much needed in this very dense, young, and low-income Silverlake area.
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Post by roadtrainer on May 3, 2009 21:24:00 GMT -8
What ?!? You mean that you guys don't want the lines named after our sport teams? Expo=USC Pasadena Gold=Dodgers Blue Line=Lakers Harbor Freeway transit-way=Kings Orange Line= UCLA and what team will we name after for the silver line or East L.A. extension?
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Post by bobdavis on May 4, 2009 21:39:37 GMT -8
To some of us old timers, "A" Train will always be a New York subway line made famous by Duke Ellington. Los Angeles had an "A" line up until the mid-1940s, but I don't know if it survived long enough to be cut by the LATL takeover. To members of Market St. Railway, the "F" line is the SF Muni operation that runs PCCs and older streetcars along Market St. and the Embarcadero.
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Post by Jason Saunders on Sept 7, 2009 12:00:47 GMT -8
(Your Bronze Line for Expo is like the previously suggested Tan Line to the beach. ) Yes, but bronze shows up better on a map then tan. Whats your take on when a 'final' name, color or letter will be assigned? At some point they are going to have to start putting up signage. It's better to settle on a name now before they start doing that.
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Post by James Fujita on Sept 7, 2009 13:27:31 GMT -8
buildexpo.org, the Web site for the construction authority, uses the aqua color as a continuous theme. It may not be official, but they sure seem to want it to be aqua (and so do I ) you know what they say, keep repeating a thing frequently enough...
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Post by darrell on Sept 7, 2009 14:59:15 GMT -8
Bernard Parks was the Metro board member who objected to Aqua. But Parks is no longer on that board. I don't know if Parks still has the same opinion, or if the Expo board - which Parks is still on - will make a recommendation, or if anyone on the Metro board would carry Parks's opinion. Or maybe they'll keep the Expo Line name, despite being non-standard, and only color it aqua. I still like Aqua, for the branch of the Blue Line to the beach in Santa Monica. Which the kids who painted the mural obviously liked!
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 8, 2009 0:23:34 GMT -8
Given that the line has been known as and called the Expo Line for so many years by everyone, I think it will prevail as the name of the line. But the color will be aqua on the maps.
It would have been great if it continued to Venice and beyond as in the past. The terminus of the Expo Line used to be not Sears® in Santa Monica but the MTA bus yard in Venice, then the Ocean Park Car House (for the light-rail cars). From there the line continued to Marina Del Rey area and Inglewood. That used to be a real Water Line for you!
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Post by kenalpern on Sept 8, 2009 5:55:58 GMT -8
I, too, have been an Aqua Line supporter--although that was a name that needed vetting and true support. Now that Bernard Parks (who was the only politician who really got in the way of the Aqua name) is off the Metro Board, I think it's his presence on the Expo Authority Board that prevents this naming issue from being revisited..
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Post by darrell on Sept 8, 2009 9:39:34 GMT -8
It would have been great if it continued to Venice and beyond as in the past. The terminus of the Expo Line used to be not Sears ® in Santa Monica but the MTA bus yard in Venice, then the Ocean Park Car House (for the light-rail cars). From there the line continued to Marina Del Rey area and Inglewood. That used to be a real Water Line for you! More reasons for its extension south along Lincoln. Here's a detail of the map I've previously posted - not that the Lincoln Line should be green.
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Post by kenalpern on Sept 8, 2009 10:11:55 GMT -8
It ain't easy being green...
I do believe that someday we'll see this happen...but the portion between Marina Del Rey and Santa Monica will definitely be a toughie...
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Post by bluelineshawn on Sept 8, 2009 10:55:00 GMT -8
The purpose of assigning colors is to make identifying the proper line easier for riders. Blue and aqua are not only very similar in color, many people don't know what the difference is. Or maybe it's just me. But if they go with a color name again it should stand out in some way a little better than that.
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Post by James Fujita on Sept 8, 2009 14:39:37 GMT -8
call me crazy, but I don't see it as such a problem.
the blue in Blue Line is a relatively dark, deeper shade of blue, while the Aqua Line color is always shown as a milder, light shade, with a hint of green mixed in to make it almost turquoise.
the idea is that aqua is deliberately supposed to invoke a different shade of blue, especially as it shares a terminal station and downtown tracks with the blue line. train riders, looking at a map, would see that the one is a branch off the other.
(in fact, considering that the two colors are indeed similar, it seems to me that it would prompt people on be on their guard, to expect similar trains on the same tracks to head off in two different directions and to be prepared for it.)
in the above map, we see that the Aqua Line might connect to the Green Line, which provides another pleasing aqua/green color link...
also, the name aqua implies water, as in AQUArium. it even sounds like agua, "water" in Spanish. people should learn to associate the Aqua Line with the beach, and aqua is an ocean color. perfect!
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Post by darrell on Sept 8, 2009 14:54:09 GMT -8
When I drew this map the contrast between the darker blue and lighter aqua seemed strong, like James noted. Metro's aqua is a little greener, like the background below, for even stronger contrast. (But it wouldn't show up as well against my green map background.)
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 8, 2009 16:10:07 GMT -8
also, the name aqua implies water, as in AQUArium. Great. People would then take the Santa Monica Aqua Line, rather than the Long Beach Blue Line, to go to the Long Beach Aquarium. LOL We no longer have much luxury left for color contrast, as many primary colors already have been used. So, now we need to use secondary colors like aqua. One day using colors for the lines won't be practical. Then numbers and names will be preferred but with colors used in maps. There is nothing wrong for a line to have a name and a color, just like the Democratic Party is not the Blue Party and the Republican Party is not the Red Party, the Expo Line is not the Aqua Line but the Expo Line with the color aqua used in maps and similar contexts.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Sept 8, 2009 16:16:01 GMT -8
Well there you go. From what I can tell Aqua is generally considered a shade of green and not a shade of blue. But it can be a shade of blue as well. It's a mix I guess and can be more blue or more green and is generally more green.
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Post by bobdavis on Sept 8, 2009 18:53:25 GMT -8
In one version of the legend of Robin Hood, Robin and his Merrie Men wear clothing of Lincoln Green color, so it would be appropriate for Lincoln Blvd.
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Post by darrell on Sept 8, 2009 19:14:45 GMT -8
In one version of the legend of Robin Hood, Robin and his Merrie Men wear clothing of Lincoln Green color, so it would be appropriate for Lincoln Blvd. Google turned up this Wiktionary item for Lincoln Green (with a color sample, but I don't know how accurate it is): Etymology From Lincoln, England, where the cloth of this colour was originally produced.
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Post by kenalpern on Sept 8, 2009 21:48:58 GMT -8
Boy, you're really Linked-In!
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Post by darrell on Sept 10, 2009 13:47:50 GMT -8
Speaking of the Aqua Line, scanning some old slides I ran across this one of one from August 2000 of the "Heavy Trash" sign that marked the San Vicente and 7th Street future station location on the Metro Aqua Line.
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Post by James Fujita on Sept 10, 2009 14:50:30 GMT -8
I remember those. I always thought those signs were pretty sophisticated/ real-looking for being fake/ an art project.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 10, 2009 15:09:04 GMT -8
Does anyone know why they chose the former Pacific Electric railroad right-of-way on San Vicente Blvd as the route for the Aqua Line? Interestingly this is a very wide right-of-way and would accommodate a very nice light-rail line. Currently it seems to be a popular jogging trail on the median between the trees, as well as a popular bike route on the street.
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Post by darrell on Sept 10, 2009 15:36:25 GMT -8
Looking at the station names, notice where they're located? Heavy Trash's intent was to provoke upscale neighborhoods. They didn't bother with locations like La Brea, central Beverly Hills, or Century City, but did identify Wilshire/Comstock (west side of the country club) and multiple stops along San Vicente in Brentwood and Santa Monica. Here's a map:
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Post by transitfan on Sept 11, 2009 6:44:27 GMT -8
Speaking of the Aqua Line, scanning some old slides I ran across this one of one from August 2000 of the "Heavy Trash" sign that marked the San Vicente and 7th Street future station location on the Metro Aqua Line. Wow, looks like the old 83 "Limited via Brentwood" come back to life (I didn't say 322 b/c that line served Century City, which the "aqua" line would not).
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Post by rajacobs on Sept 23, 2009 17:04:55 GMT -8
Aside from primary colors, I--like many men--am color-blind! Blue & Purple? Can't tell the difference! Green and Orange? Sometimes I can't tell the difference. Green and Lime? --There's a difference? So a comprehensive color schema and naming the lines by those names will KILL me!
Please, please, let's get GOOD names on these lines--like "Wilshire," "Expo," "San Gabriel", etc. Our freeways used to have names. Why not the rail lines?
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Post by wad on Sept 26, 2009 3:55:09 GMT -8
Please, please, let's get GOOD names on these lines--like "Wilshire," "Expo," "San Gabriel", etc. Our freeways used to have names. Why not the rail lines? Why would Wilshire be any better than colors, letters, or even the 800-series line codes used internally by Metro?
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Post by rajacobs on Sept 26, 2009 12:05:27 GMT -8
Right now we have the "Purple Line" and the "Blue Line" that meet down at 7th/Metro. ...Can't honestly tell the difference in th colors themselves! I have to remember that Purple means Wilshire to discriminate.
Now, if the color used (in this case, Purple) was the "Wilshire Line" and the line was named "Wilshire"--discrimination would be easier.
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Post by Jason Saunders on Sept 26, 2009 12:42:44 GMT -8
Right now we have the "Purple Line" and the "Blue Line" that meet down at 7th/Metro. ...Can't honestly tell the difference in th colors themselves! I have to remember that Purple means Wilshire to discriminate. Now, if the color used (in this case, Purple) was the "Wilshire Line" and the line was named "Wilshire"--discrimination would be easier. In the case of Expo, after the Downtown connector is built the line will run from Santa Monica to East L.A. and only a portion of it will travel along Exposition Blvd. Most people on that train will not be travelling to Exposition Blvd. You could call it the Santa Monica/East L.A. line but what happens when East L.A. gets extended to Whittier or wherever they decide to extend it to? Does the name change? As much as I like colors, I think eventually they will go to letters. I really dislike the idea of naming it Expo.
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