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Post by mattapoisett on May 22, 2009 12:45:01 GMT -8
So I was also at the meeting last night and I asked at the Safety table if there were any plans to have Quad Gates at Crenshaw, Western, Vermont etc. The Answer is no. I asked how they will deal with the Cross traffic issues on those streets. Strict enforcement with with Automated cameras and Large fines. That will keep the intersection Clear was the response. Plus they said since the trains will be going so slow 15> mph in that stretch near the stations there was no need to worry
So the plan is for People to get an automatic $385+ ticket for blocking the intersections involved. I know one thing, it will generate a lot of income for Metro unless the contractor gets to keep most of it in the deal. But I am not sure it will be effective to keep the trains running on time.
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Post by JerardWright on May 22, 2009 13:58:45 GMT -8
How does this relate to How Metro is paying for Expo?
Besdies that aren't there stations being built at Vermont, Western and Crenshaw so if a delay occurs it concides with the boarding and alighting of passengers at the station platforms so that "on-time" performance is maximized.
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Post by Gokhan on May 22, 2009 14:07:45 GMT -8
Yes, this makes little sense. Perhaps change the name of the thread to "Crossing gates at Crenshaw" or something like that?
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Post by mattapoisett on May 22, 2009 14:26:38 GMT -8
How does this relate to How Metro is paying for Expo? Besdies that aren't there stations being built at Vermont, Western and Crenshaw so if a delay occurs it concides with the boarding and alighting of passengers at the station platforms so that "on-time" performance is maximized. I believe Metro will make quite a few dollars on the photo enforcement measures. According to the LA Times, Culver City made over $2 Million in revenue in an 8 month period in 2007-08 from their Cameras. www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-redlightmoney6-2008jun06,0,1041866.story Signal Synchronization and Priority in my experience has not worked nearly as well as promised. Have you been on the Orange Line or the 720 or 920 busses recently. I have been stuck behind more red lights on those corridors than I care to imagine. Plus I grew up taking the green line in Boston where it was a complete disaster. Metro Says they have a plan to give a 30 minute trip from Metro Center to Downtown Culver City but the mitigations to achieve that goal are not very effective and I will be surprised. if it works out the way they planned.
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Post by crzwdjk on May 22, 2009 18:39:02 GMT -8
Wait a minute. Aren't streets and traffic lights, and therefore red light cameras operated by the city? So Metro probably gets nothing from this whole thing, as all the money goes to the LADOT.
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Post by tonyw79sfv on May 22, 2009 18:55:16 GMT -8
Metro has a separate contract for their red light cameras from Affiliated Computer Services, which are online on the Blue and Orange Line crossings. Those cameras are easily identified by their boxy chasis and would contain both the flash and lens; they are film-based and were previously used by LADOT/LAPD. LADOT/LAPD switched to an electronic-based red light camera identified by multitudes of barrel or tube-like devices perched on traffic light poles housing a high definition camera and flash separately; that system is from Nestor Traffic Systems. Interestingly, LADOT does still have control of the traffic light system for the Orange Line; my guess the Blue Line is the same for parts of the line within city limits. If the Blue and Orange Line are any indication, Metro would also use ACS red light cameras for the Expo Line.
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Post by Jason Saunders on May 23, 2009 9:37:33 GMT -8
Strict enforcement with with Automated cameras and Large fines. That will keep the intersection Clear was the response. Plus they said since the trains will be going so slow 15> mph in that stretch near the stations there was no need to worry. You know on my bicycle my average speed is around 22 mph. I will actually be riding my bicycle faster. Oh, wait, the C.A. doesn't want to build bike lanes. :*) To be fair, I think the 15 MPH is only approaching and leaving stations. I would be really down on expo if 15 mph was the speed for the three or four miles in question.
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Post by Gokhan on May 23, 2009 10:17:31 GMT -8
Wow, I'm impressed you can ride your bike that fast. Yes, by 15 MPH they mean the instantaneous speed near the station. Metro's low estimate on the Expo Phase 1 average speed: 8.7 M / 0.50 h = 17 MPH. My high estimate on the Expo Phase 1 average speed: 8.7 M / 0.33 h = 26 MPH. I bet you can't beat that with your bike.
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