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Post by billcousert on Jun 25, 2009 8:41:10 GMT -8
The last I heard, the Perris extension will be opened late 2010. Is this still on schedule?
Will the new line operate on weekends?
Does anyone know if RTA will offer connecting service to Murrieta/Temecula?
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Post by losangeles2319 on Jun 25, 2009 8:51:03 GMT -8
I talked to a Metrolink employee at National Train Day and she said that due to the economy it's being pushed back until things get better. One could argue that that is starting now, but who knows...
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Post by bobdavis on Jun 25, 2009 19:17:55 GMT -8
Main project right now is the bus center west of the old Santa Fe station in downtown Perris. Haven't looked at it that closely, but it appears to have enough "docking stations" for at least a dozen buses. No sign of track improvements; when I cross the former Santa Fe line at Perris Blvd. en route to Orange Empire, it's still the plain crossbucks and 90-lb. rail that have been there for decades. One advantage the line has is very few grade crossings between Box Springs and Perris, thanks in part to the I-215 project of years ago.
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Post by nickv on Jun 29, 2009 12:54:12 GMT -8
RTA CommuterLink Route 208 will probably connect at the Perris TC during rush hours. I've suggested to RTA that Route 61 from the Promenade Mall be extended north to the Perris TC which would offer off-peak connections. The bus line now terminates at Sun City. See TTC ABIE Carfree Connections Map within the Murrieta area. They are currently studying possible BRT or express connectors and a bus/rail interface as reported in the 2010-2012 SRTP. |
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Post by kenalpern on Jun 29, 2009 17:49:22 GMT -8
As traffic continues to worsen on the I-215, a freeway once so remote I never dreamed it would have such a thing as traffic, the need for alternatives will become greater and greater.
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Post by billcousert on Aug 22, 2009 9:42:06 GMT -8
I called Metrolink's customer service line this morning and the customer service rep claims that there is no Perris extension planned. Was it cancelled?
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Post by Transit Coalition on Aug 23, 2009 7:37:48 GMT -8
I called Metrolink's customer service line this morning and the customer service rep claims that there is no Perris extension planned. Was it cancelled? Bill: Here are a few questions: Why would you phone a Customer Service Department, who job is to give out information about trains that are currently in operation, and ask about a future project, where the question is out of their scope of work? Why is it when we send emails to you that you never respond? Why didn't you just go to goggle and type in "Perris Valley Extension"? Here we found over 10 pages of material on the extension. $45 million was appropriated in 2008-09 Federal Budget for this project Sorry, but the Customer Service Department is NOT the "Shell Answer Man" and I think you owe them an apology. They don't have to know everything. Maybe they should have referred you to the Riverside County Transportation Commission phone number, but you have the internet at your fingertips. If you want more current news about this project, go to the TRAC website and look through the back isses of California Rail News, where Mike McGinley has done several in depth stories on the Perris extension, as he is an engineer developing the project. Perhaps an active subscription to The Transit Coalition weekly eNewsletter would help keep you up to date with the latest news. |
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Post by nickv on Aug 23, 2009 22:43:49 GMT -8
No. If you have any questions about the Perris Valley Line project, please contact:Call Us at (951) 787-7141, ask for Eliza Echevarria or Edda Rosso. Write Us Attn: Eliza Echevarria RCTC P.O. Box 12008 Riverside, CA 92502 The Perris Valley Line is a project of Riverside County Transportation Commission (RCTC) 4080 Lemon Street, 3rd Floor, P.O. Box 12008 • Riverside, CA 92502-2208 • (951) 787-7141 • www.rctc.org I will have some official RCTC documents and additional conceptual artwork linked from the TTC ABIE Metrolink Perris Valley Line soon. I suggest saving that page to your favorites. |
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Post by bobdavis on Dec 29, 2009 18:31:12 GMT -8
I just checked the Perris Valley Line website; the "timeline" shows service starting in 2012.
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Post by rubbertoe on Feb 2, 2010 17:47:36 GMT -8
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 3, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -8
I just checked the Perris Valley Line website, and construction is planned to start around the end of this year or early in 2012. The opening day time line has been stretched to 2013. Pick your cliche: "Don't hold your breath." "Don't bet the ranch." "Sometime between now and when the Devil goes ice skating." and, "When the World Series features the Dodgers and the Angels in the ultimate 'Freeway Series'"
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Post by matthewb on Apr 12, 2011 9:19:26 GMT -8
Their timeline suggests that final environmental approvals are due any time. Comments on the supplemental environmental assessment were due in January. I guess they're waiting for oil to go above $200 per barrel before starting construction. We're currently at about $121.
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Post by matthewb on Jul 12, 2011 23:30:16 GMT -8
Perris Valley Line Final EIR Public Hearing: Wednesday, July 13, 9:30 a.m., Board Room, Riverside County Administrative Center, 4080 Lemon St, 1st Floor, Riverside.
Anyone planning on attending? It would be interesting to hear the current status and plans.
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Post by matthewb on Aug 7, 2011 14:51:30 GMT -8
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Aug 9, 2011 19:15:20 GMT -8
Nice, so I will be able to ride a train to the Orange Empire Railway Museum, it's only a short bike ride or perhaps shuttle ride away from the Perris Station! Exciting!
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Post by transitfan on Aug 10, 2011 7:02:58 GMT -8
Nice, so I will be able to ride a train to the Orange Empire Railway Museum, it's only a short bike ride or perhaps shuttle ride away from the Perris Station! Exciting! Yep, would beat that long drive (for me when I lived out there) on the 91 and 215. |
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Post by bobdavis on Aug 10, 2011 19:20:13 GMT -8
Current plans call for OERM to have an electrified track into the Ward Kimball Perris transport center. By the time Metrolink arrives, two of OERM's operable Pacific Electric cars will be 100 years old.
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Post by matthewb on Aug 11, 2011 2:51:49 GMT -8
Current plans call for OERM to have an electrified track into the Ward Kimball Perris transport center. Does that mean they'll build new track north of 7th street? Looking at google maps, I think you can see where the track might end across the platform from Metrolink. |
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Post by bzcat on Aug 11, 2011 13:11:54 GMT -8
What's going to be the routing of this train?
Is it basically the 91 train extended to Parris?
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Post by jdrcrasher on Aug 11, 2011 16:14:15 GMT -8
What's going to be the routing of this train? Is it basically the 91 train extended to Parris? Probably either that or the Riverside line. |
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Post by matthewb on Aug 12, 2011 0:59:21 GMT -8
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Post by jdrcrasher on Aug 12, 2011 16:42:47 GMT -8
Maybe it's just me, but it seems to make more sense to make it an extension of the Riverside line. The 91 line, IMO, should run along the 15 to Lake Elsinore and Temecula. Just my opinion. |
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Post by matthewb on Aug 13, 2011 9:03:04 GMT -8
The Riverside line has worse frequencies, if I recall correctly, and if there is a Temecula extension, it makes sense to me for it to be a connection to the Perris Valley line, not along the 15 where there is (even by Inland Empire standards) *very* low population density and much higher construction costs (longer distance with more hills). Of course, they could theoretically route either Riverside line or 91 line trains on the Perris Valley extension without any additional construction. My understanding is they chose the exact routing of the Perris Valley Line because it gets as far south on the 215 as possible on existing tracks. In 2008, they proposed a connection to Temecula along the 15, but I expect we'll see an extension of the Perris Valley line to Hemet first as construction costs would be very low. |
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Post by crzwdjk on Aug 13, 2011 9:03:50 GMT -8
The Riverside Line runs along the UP line that merges into the BNSF Transcon just south of Riverside station, and the Metrolink trains have a special track that branches off the UP just before that junction and goes directly to the station without touching the BNSF mainline. To go to Perris, Riverside Line trains would have to cross over the BNSF line at some point, and also wouldn't be able to use the Riverside Line platform at Riverside, as that doesn't have a connection to the eastbound BNSF. 91 Line trains are already in the right place to serve the Perris line effectively without creating any new conflicts with BNSF freight.
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Post by Transit Coalition on Aug 13, 2011 17:21:52 GMT -8
The Riverside Line runs along the UP line that merges into the BNSF Transcon just south of Riverside station, and the Metrolink trains have a special track that branches off the UP just before that junction and goes directly to the station without touching the BNSF mainline. To go to Perris, Riverside Line trains would have to cross over the BNSF line at some point, and also wouldn't be able to use the Riverside Line platform at Riverside, as that doesn't have a connection to the eastbound BNSF. 91 Line trains are already in the right place to serve the Perris line effectively without creating any new conflicts with BNSF freight. The operational plan has been to extend the Line 91 service to Perris. The initial proposed schedule would add a few more round trips to the existing schedule. |
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Post by jeisenbe on Aug 14, 2011 22:54:39 GMT -8
The operational plan has been to extend the Line 91 service to Perris. The initial proposed schedule would add a few more round trips to the existing schedule. That's good to know. The area served by this extension is low on population and destinations, but at least the rest of the line will be getting improved service as well. With Metro and the city of Los Angeles putting so much work into the America Fast-Forward concepts, Metrolink needs to start making better, more politically exciting plans to increase speeds and frequency of service. A bold goal, like "Service every 15 minutes at rush hour and every 30 minutes all day", and "50% faster trains" would be something people could visualize. Increasing acceleration and reliability via double-tracking and electrification and grade separation are good ideas, but most people won't know why that matters. But they will understand the benefit of having the train there when you need it, and knowing that it will get you where you are going faster. |
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Post by matthewb on Aug 24, 2011 3:46:32 GMT -8
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Post by bobdavis on Aug 25, 2011 13:30:02 GMT -8
I'm reminded of the days when trains were brand new technology (around 1830 in England), and one "medical expert" feared that the sight of something moving that fast would cause insanity in sensitive individuals, and that walls should be built along railway lines. The fears of cargo falling off trains makes me wonder, what about material coming loose from trucks along our streets and highways? It seems that whether today or 180 years ago, there are professional and amateur "worrywarts" who seize on the slightest possibility of a mishap to block progress.
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Post by rubbertoe on Aug 25, 2011 13:37:09 GMT -8
I'm reminded of the days when trains were brand new technology (around 1830 in England), and one "medical expert" feared that the sight of something moving that fast would cause insanity in sensitive individuals, and that walls should be built along railway lines. The fears of cargo falling off trains makes me wonder, what about material coming loose from trucks along our streets and highways? It seems that whether today or 180 years ago, there are professional and amateur "worrywarts" who seize on the slightest possibility of a mishap to block progress. I also seem to remember reading about someone at the time believing that travel at more than 30mph could suck all the air out of the cars and render people unconscious. The NIMBY's in Beverly Hills could learn something from those guys... RT |
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Post by matthewb on Aug 26, 2011 1:51:12 GMT -8
Yes, the schools are a bit cautious, which is probably fine so long as they don't kill the project. I'm most upset about the NIMBYs and the spineless reaction of the RCTC that got the UC Riverside station axed. We actually had the chance of getting a real destination station, but neighbors were concerned that there would be additional noise from the trains stopping and starting again, so the trains will just roll by the campus without stopping instead. I think it should be an early priority after the line is built to lobby for an infill station at UCR.
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