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Post by spokker on Apr 23, 2009 18:59:59 GMT -8
Just to clarify, a train from Pasadena will run to East LA right? When you're in Pasadena, your southbound train will say Atlantic Station instead of Union Station, right? They won't make you change trains at Union?
Someone on another web site was claiming otherwise and I just want to get set straight.
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Post by Justin Walker on Apr 23, 2009 20:05:55 GMT -8
Just to clarify, a train from Pasadena will run to East LA right? When you're in Pasadena, your southbound train will say Atlantic Station instead of Union Station, right? They won't make you change trains at Union? Someone on another web site was claiming otherwise and I just want to get set straight. Correct. The entire Gold Line will operate on the following schedule. (Until the regional connector is in place, of course.) As the above report points out, even during pre-revenue testing, trains will be running through between Pasadena and East L.A., with passengers being shooed off before the non-revenue Union Station-East L.A. leg. |
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Post by roadtrainer on Apr 23, 2009 20:12:09 GMT -8
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Post by Justin Walker on Apr 23, 2009 20:13:23 GMT -8
Another interesting development: In accordance with the mayor's decree of a June opening date, Metro has changed its schedule documents to reflect an earlier opening date in June. The original plan was to have three-months of pre-revenue testing between the completion of the underground stations and revenue opening. Delays in station progress combined with this moved-up opening date has shrunk that window to one month.  |
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Post by spokker on Apr 23, 2009 20:44:34 GMT -8
Thanks. That's what I assumed. Someone else was claiming that the Eastside Extension was like a split from the Pasadena portion of the line, similar to the way the Purple Line splits from the Red Line. I'm not sure where people get this stuff. |
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Post by bobdavis on Apr 23, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -8
I checked out La Linea de Oro* this afternoon and found no trains in sight. Line crews were adding overhead wire connections along First St. near the LA River bridge and had their "personal grounds" in place. Along Third St. many workers were adding final touches to stations: planting bushes, finishing station canopies and other "exterior decoration" tasks. Track and wire appear to be complete along Third, but the detail work can be done more safely if there is no train operation. If they really hustle, all but the minute details could be ready by mid-May. It could be that two or three months of non-revenue testing is not really necessary--this is an extension, not a whole new line. Even if the extension isn't "ready for prime time", Metro could run a VIP train on June 19 and then give the contractors a few more weeks before letting normal people ride.
(regarding "La Linea de Oro": Although I'm a "Paddy", many years ago I was dubbed an "honorary Mexican", and I am a California native)
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Post by kenalpern on Apr 24, 2009 5:53:34 GMT -8
I think that the compromise that Metro came up with is pretty good. While I will, out of respect to all of the majority of Asian-Americans, Latino-Americans, African-Americans, Native Americans and European-Americans who speak English, keep referring to this line as the Eastside Gold Line, I certainly have no problem with any bilingual literature or references to this or any other line.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Apr 24, 2009 7:08:09 GMT -8
In the end, Gloria Molina's motion didn't impact much. There might be a sign here or there on the Eastside extension to display the "official" name. It's like, you know, the "official" name of the 105 freeway is the Glenn Anderson freeway, but how many people say "I'm going to take the 91 to the Glenn Anderson to the 110?". Nothing will change. It's still the Gold Line to everybody. It might be a scavanger hunt question someday.
Gloria Molina put her follow board members in a bad position. If they voted 'no' on it, they could have been considered a racist. That's what upsets me about her motion. Is she still this bitter because the Red Line never made it to the East side?
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 24, 2009 7:23:49 GMT -8
This is Molina's passive-aggressive way of asserting her longstanding rage at losing the Eastside Red Line. Of course this official name solves nothing: it doesn't honor anybody, it's only function is to put one group over all others. Molina is nothing but a big roadblock to progress.
As an aside, every one of the supervisors does crap like this (although Molina is one of the most prolific). They really are like little kings and queens of their fiefdoms, passing down decrees that seem to always get passed, no matter how ridiculous.
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 24, 2009 7:27:11 GMT -8
Excerpted from the L.A. Times story:
"Maya Emsden, an MTA executive who oversees signage and the design of maps, said a policy on “property naming” passed by the board in 2003 stated that there has to be a public discussion. But the MTA board can go against a policy, Emsden said. The 2003 policy also stated that MTA properties could be dedicated to people but not named after them. Molina’s proposal officially asked that the Gold Line be named La Linea de Oro, Edward R. Roybal. Emsden said that though it remained unclear, it appeared the board also voted to at least name the line after the late congressman in “official documents.”
“The board always has the prerogative not to follow their own policy,” she said, adding that MTA officials are still trying to figure out what all of this will mean in terms of marketing, signage and other aspects. "
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Post by darrell on Apr 24, 2009 7:27:55 GMT -8
It's like, you know, the "official" name of the 105 freeway is the Glenn Anderson freeway How many people remember the 105 as the Century Freeway, the 118 as the Simi Freeway, and the 90 as the Richard M. Nixon Freeway? And what's with the Santa Monica / Christopher Columbus / Rosa Parks I-10 Freeway? |
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 24, 2009 7:37:48 GMT -8
My comment on the L.A. Times blog:
"Are we going to rename the Purple Line 자주색의 because it goes through Koreatown?
We have the Blue Line, the Green Line, the Red Line, the Purple Line...and la Linea de Oro? Anybody can see the problem here.
The biggest problem with this (other than Molina's ego) is the fact that the name is supposed to fit into a system of names, which are based on colors, in English. This is not a preference of English over other languages, but strictly a practical matter of consistency."
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Post by kenalpern on Apr 24, 2009 8:52:47 GMT -8
Yes, this does appear to be a continuation of Ms. Molina's classless snit about not getting a Red Line Subway to the Eastside.
I'm hoping that posters on this discussion board and true Eastside activists figure out a way to get a future Eastside Subway (perhaps to the southeast, and along the I-5 Corridor) in a manner similar to what I'd like to see happen for a future Vermont Subway.
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Post by James Fujita on Apr 24, 2009 9:12:11 GMT -8
hmmm.. well, on the one hand, I think Molina's idea is a silly one, especially the Roybal part. I don't think anyone who isn't already a Spanish speaker is going to call the line La Linea de Oro, and that's going to happen without an official proclamation or a vote. the name is just too long and it is inconsistent with the other rail lines.
as for racist, I'm not so certain I agree with that. I've never understood the logic behind the "things done to honor one ethnicity are discriminatory against others" argument. Spanish is used a lot throughout Los Angeles, and you see plenty of signs written in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and I don't see the harm in that.
if you want racist, look at some of the chest-thumping hyper-patriotic reactionary comments on the Los Angeles Times blog.
it's silly, but it's really not earth-shattering either.
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Post by spokker on Apr 24, 2009 9:29:37 GMT -8
As a big fat nerd who will use the line once because I have no business in East LA but I'm hopelessly addicted to trains, I would like to see the line's name translated into Klingon.
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Post by erict on Apr 24, 2009 10:31:40 GMT -8
The bigger problem with Molina and her Red line snit is that she sees no reason to support the Downtown connector, which would greatly enhance the gold line or la lina oro . She has failed completely to represent East LA and Boyle Heights.
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 24, 2009 11:25:42 GMT -8
MTA approves Spanish name for Gold Line light rail Eastside extension Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times
The Eastside extension is set to open this summer. The entire line -- from Pasadena to East L.A. -- will still be named “the Gold Line,” but the new segment -- in East L.A. and Boyle Heights -- will be called "la Linea de Oro, Edward R. Roybal" on signs and in Spanish documents and "the Edward R. Roybal Metro Gold Line Eastside Extension" in English documents.Segment in Boyle Heights and East L.A. will be called 'la Linea de Oro, Edward R. Roybal.' The whole line, from East L.A. to Pasadena, will still be named the Gold Line.By Hector Becerra
April 24, 2009Despite some misgivings, the MTA Board of Directors voted Thursday to use a Spanish translation as the name of the Gold Line's Eastside rail extension, marking a first for the transportation agency. The entire light rail line, which stretches from Pasadena to the eastern edge of East Los Angeles, will still be called the Gold Line. But the segment that opens this summer, traversing Boyle Heights and East L.A., will also be named "la Linea de Oro, Edward R. Roybal" in Spanish-language MTA literature and brochures and on station signs. In English materials, that segment will be called "the Edward R. Roybal Metro Gold Line Eastside Extension." It is the first time the name of an MTA facility, rail or bus line has been translated in any way from English to Spanish. In her motion, County Supervisor Gloria Molina said that community members had asked that the rail line be referred to in Spanish, which she called a "cornerstone of Boyle Heights and East Los Angeles." But the naming has prompted debate. Art Herrera, 72, a lifelong Boyle Heights resident and a member of the Review Advisory Committee for the Eastside extension of the Gold Line, criticized the motion. "My kids aren't going to say, 'Dad, let's take la Linea Roja to Hollywood,' either. They're going to say, 'Let's take the Red Line,' " Herrera said. "If we go to Mexico, they're not going to change names to English. This is ludicrous." Molina could not be reached for comment. L.A. City Councilman Jose Huizar voted to support the motion but said he was bothered there was no public input. Maya Emsden, an MTA executive who oversees signage and the design of maps, said she did not know of any other light rail line in the country with two names, let alone in different languages. The motion also breaks ground for the MTA. "We don't translate proper nouns," Emsden said. "This is a first."
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Post by spokker on Apr 24, 2009 12:30:35 GMT -8
If the Gold Line was officially called by its Spanish translation and only its Spanish translation, that might be unconstitutional in our state, depending on how you interpret our constitution. It must be at least in English. Of course, that's contradictory, since many places in Los Angeles are only called by their Spanish names. You would have to make the argument that "Los Angeles" has "become" English or something.
Calling it by its Spanish translation second is a compromise to Molina's original demands and the vote most likely went that way in order to get her to go away.
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Post by Justin Walker on Apr 24, 2009 15:39:36 GMT -8
It must be at least in English. Of course, that's contradictory, since many places in Los Angeles are only called by their Spanish names. You would have to make the argument that "Los Angeles" has "become" English or something. Calling it by its Spanish translation second is a compromise to Molina's original demands and the vote most likely went that way in order to get her to go away. "Los Angeles" hasn't become English, it's just a proper noun. And as Metro pointed out, translating proper nouns doesn't make any sense. When people say Los Angeles, nobody is talking about any angels; they are referring something with that name. In all languages, Los Angeles is Los Angeles is Los Angeles. Similarly, when people talk about the Gold Line, we are talking about what has been branded as a proper noun and translating it doesn't make sense. |
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Post by kenalpern on Apr 24, 2009 16:44:10 GMT -8
Here's some other lines that Ms. Molina might like, in addition to "La Linea de Oro":
The Black and White Line: La Linea de Oreo
The B.S. Line: La Linea de Toro
The long-overdue Eastside Red Line Subway done with deep boring: La Linea de Boro
The line filled with teething babies: La Linea de Oragel
The line filled with brain-eating zombies: La Linea de Goro
The line with masked crusaders fighting evil landowners: La Linea de Zorro
The line with people sick of these jokes: La Linea de Orright, already!
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 24, 2009 17:58:28 GMT -8
I've said it before and I say it again:
Gloria Molina, Bus Riders Union, and Fix Expo belong to the same club.
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Post by wad on Apr 25, 2009 4:48:53 GMT -8
Gloria Molina should have watched the Chris Rock routine about the "Martin Luther King" rule.
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Post by metrocenter on Apr 25, 2009 12:52:39 GMT -8
Here's some other lines that Ms. Molina might like, in addition to "La Linea de Oro": The Black and White Line: La Linea de Oreo The B.S. Line: La Linea de Toro The long-overdue Eastside Red Line Subway done with deep boring: La Linea de Boro The line filled with teething babies: La Linea de Oragel The line filled with brain-eating zombies: La Linea de Goro The line with masked crusaders fighting evil landowners: La Linea de Zorro The line with people sick of these jokes: La Linea de Orright, already! LOL great. Don't forget: The line for the indigent: La Linea Del Poor-O The line for that fat guy: La Linea Del Gordo The line for that's enough of that: La Line De No Moro. |
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Post by erict on Apr 30, 2009 13:25:18 GMT -8
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Post by bobdavis on May 5, 2009 16:16:54 GMT -8
Cinco de Mayo report: Workers still busy on First St. at the LA River bridge, barricades and "personal grounds" still in place. It's a little over six weeks to June 19. Stay tuned!
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Post by metrocenter on May 6, 2009 10:25:58 GMT -8
At this stage of the project, I'd expect to see fairly frequent running of trains, as part of pre-revenue operations. At this point, I have yet to see (with my one eyes, in person) even one train rolling down the tracks. So I am somewhat skeptical that the line will be opening on 19 June, just six weeks from this Friday.
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Post by erict on May 6, 2009 10:44:35 GMT -8
I hope it does open in June....it's so exciting. It has only taken 15 years (if you count the original plan for the Eastside Red Line)  |
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Post by Transit Coalition on May 7, 2009 10:36:55 GMT -8
At this stage of the project, I'd expect to see fairly frequent running of trains, as part of pre-revenue operations. At this point, I have yet to see (with my one eyes, in person) even one train rolling down the tracks. So I am somewhat skeptical that the line will be opening on 19 June, just six weeks from this Friday. The Mayor is free to make any comment he wants. The East LA Gold Line will be open safely, not for a politician to push for headlines. That doesn't mean that there won't be a dedication scheduled for that date, but revenue service is six weeks after successful test runs. The actual schedule revealed to the board is more like revenue operations set for the weekend of June 27. This Saturday is 7 weeks before, so if the 27th is going to be real, the test trains need to start in the next 7 days. We will all see. |
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Post by kenalpern on May 7, 2009 11:13:59 GMT -8
Bart is correct--and the Eastside Gold Line will be around a lot longer than Mayor Villaraigosa and Supervisor Molina's political careers.
Methinks that the Mayor was a bit hasty with his pushing for a date of opening. It'll open when it's safe, and not a day earlier.
I'm looking for a galvanized Eastside, more development, and perhaps a greater discussion of how to pursue the Eastside's next transit project (which is only slightly less overdue than this one!).
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Post by darrell on May 7, 2009 16:49:42 GMT -8
This announcement is important for L.A.'s transit funding and also shows how federal stimulus funding is being spent on already-approved projects (as bolded below), in useful but not huge amounts because it is being spread around the country. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY RAY LAHOOD ANNOUNCES $742.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL RECOVERY ACT FUNDS TO PAY FOR TRANSIT PROJECTS IN NINE STATES: Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today announced that transit projects around the country will receive $742.5 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) funds. “This money will not only put people back to work and spur the economy, it will also provide an alternative form of transportation for people around the country to get to their homes, work and school,” Secretary LaHood said. The grants will go toward projects for which the Federal Transit Administration has already entered into multi-year federal commitments known as “full funding grant agreements,” in Arizona, California, Colorado, New York, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington State. The ARRA grants announced today do not increase the federal commitment to the projects, but expedite funds committed under the agreement between the federal government and the transit agencies. The arrival of federal funds will allow the transit agencies to save on financing costs while putting additional dollars into the local economy; will supplement local resources, which have declined during the economic downturn, and allow for a quicker investment in the project. Projects receiving funding are listed below.
- Arizona ... Phoenix-Central Phoenix/East Valley Light Rail ... $36 Million
- California ... Los Angeles – Metro Gold Line Eastside Extension ... $66.7 Million
- Colorado ... Denver – West Corridor Light Rail Transit ... $40 Million
- New York ... New York – Long Island Rail Road East Side Access ... $195.4 Million and New York – Second Avenue Subway Phase I ... $78.9 Million
- Oregon ... Portland – South Corridor I-205/Portland Mall LRT... $32 Million ... Springfield – Pioneer Parkway EmX BRT ... $2.9 Million
- Texas ... Dallas – Northwest/Southeast Light Rail Transit ... $78.4 Million
- Utah ... Salt Lake City – Mid Jordan Light Rail Transit ... $90.9 Million
- Virginia ... Northern Virginia – Dulles Corridor Metrorail Extension ... To Wiehle Aveune ... $77.3 Million
- Washington ... Seattle – University Link Light Rail Transit Extension ... $44 Million .
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