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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 18:01:53 GMT -8
If you have single track, with no passing loops (sidings) to allow opposing trains to pass on timetable, then you go one way. Is it smart to have a loop option on the lower half? Is it more busy than the upper half? If you have enough cars, one every minute spring (or even less), running near motor vehicle speed (even 55 years ago in that part of town was 7MPH, tops) (joke). Does it take that long to run all the way around the loop to get three blocks further south from where you got on? The cost of the junctions would include not only the track switches, and powering them, and maintenance, but, now you're talking no-line-of-sight, suddenly a car pops out from the cutoff...so you now need signalling....and a controller (dispatcher) monitoring the operation. For a single-track, one-way, loop operation in one part of downtown, it's just a shuttle, and needs to be free. I doubt you can get away with fully automated running on the streets of any major city....who knows when a firetruck will stop on the tracks, or Aunt Rose visiting from Nebraska will suddenly get lost and stop across the tracks. As long as we're slow speed, stop-at-every-corner streetcars, it do-able. Much higher speeds and we'll have to re-name the you-tube "Houston's Greatest Hits" to something closer. Dave
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Post by Alexis Kasperavičius on Jan 24, 2013 12:31:17 GMT -8
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Post by bzcat on Jan 25, 2013 11:34:46 GMT -8
Putting streetcar tracks on 7th Avenue both ways between Hill and Broadway should be the first upgrade to this line. We would have three streetcar routes immediately (A) The full loop we see constructed. (B) A northern loop from Bunker Hill to 7th Avenue (C) A southern loop from 7th Avenue to 11th. This map also makes that need for the 5th Street / Financial District station to eventually be built on the Regional Connector. According to the presentation given on 1/23/13 (linked above provided by Alexis ) there will be a service track on 7th street all the way through (page 10 of the presentation). So in theory, Dan's proposal is the "baseline" build... all that needs to change is the service plan - i.e. instead of 1 streetcar route running the long loop, 2 streetcars routes could operate in 2 smaller loop with 1 route still going in the big loop (e.g. Route A, B, C etc)
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Post by rubbertoe on Mar 6, 2013 16:52:03 GMT -8
Per a recent story on Curbed LA, planning on the street car is proceeding quickly. With ground breaking possible by end of 2014, and service less than 2 years later: la.curbed.com/archives/2013/03/the_downtown_los_angeles_streetcar_loop_is_officially_a_go.phpI found the following interesting: " The two city departments were also instructed to look into the feasibility of a wireless streetcar, like the one in Bordeaux, France.". Looks like Bordeaux is using underground wires, while other systems use batteries or super-capacitors. If nothing else, it will be interesting to see what they come up with concerning feasibility. Here is a video of the Bordeaux system mentioned: And some info from a paper written back in 2010, that also mentions the Bordeaux system: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RT
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 11, 2013 11:47:18 GMT -8
Fix Expo is opposing the Downtown LA Streetcar Project:Downtown Party Trolley, Yes … Leimert Park Expo Stop, NoWritten by Damien Goodmon 08 Mar 2013URBAN VOICE - Here is the latest from the gang that claims "there's no money" to add resources to the Crenshaw-LAX Line for a station at the African-American cultural center of the region (Leimert Park Village) and underground the line for 11 blocks in Park Mesa Heights to preserve and enhance the region's last black business corridor (Crenshaw Blvd). At Wednesday's LA City Council meeting, the body adopted a plan to program $352 million Measure R local funds to operate a streetcar in the one part of the city that is filled with subways and bus lines (Downtown LA). On Page 2 under " Fiscal Impact Statement": "Approval of the recommendations in their report makes long-term commitments of Measure R local return funds for streetcar operations. A total of up to $352.4 million over 30 years (FY 2017-46) would be pledged for this purpose. Actual budgeting of Measure R funds would occur annually by Council and Mayor. If budgeted per the recommended programming, these funds would not be available for other purposes." And it comes on the heels of the city council cutting the very budget that provides DASH service for Leimert Park and Park Mesa Heights, among other parts of the city in need of the local circulator bus service. We can't even get well funded buses on Crenshaw, yet the Council proposes adding money to this very budget for the Downtown LA Party Trolley! The mover of the motion is Council Member Jose Huizar who as an MTA board member was part of the block of four votes controlled by outgoing Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa that defeated the motion to fund a station at Leimert Park Village and tunnel in Park Mesa Heights. Who said politics is color blind? (Damien Goodmon is chair of the Crenshaw Subway Coalition and Fix Expo Campaign and an occasional contributor to CityWatch.) -cw
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Post by Philip on Mar 11, 2013 15:33:14 GMT -8
I don't think Damien opposes the streetcar.
If you go to his Get L.A. Moving site, he mentions the downtown trolley's potential return in his line descriptions (and how it should link to the existing at-grade tracks on Flower and Washington, following a future grade separation of the Blue and Expo Lines).
Yes, he uses some crass language ("party trolley") and frames it as if he's opposed, but he's really just steamed about how "there's no money" for his project, when there's money somehow available for other projects that might not be as high of a priority.
He is, however, being hyperbolic about Crenshaw's bus service. I'm not in that area much, but I'm pretty sure Crenshaw still has adequate bus service (certainly more than other parts of L.A. County). If I were Damien, I'd try catching a bus between North Hollywood and Burbank on a casual day (Line 183 - which runs once an hour and stops running after 9:00pm) and then see if he thinks Crenshaw is still that awful.
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Post by masonite on Mar 11, 2013 20:12:26 GMT -8
I don't think Damien opposes the streetcar. If you go to his Get L.A. Moving site, he mentions the downtown trolley's potential return in his line descriptions (and how it should link to the existing at-grade tracks on Flower and Washington, following a future grade separation of the Blue and Expo Lines). Yes, he uses some crass language ("party trolley") and frames it as if he's opposed, but he's really just steamed about how "there's no money" for his project, when there's money somehow available for other projects that might not be as high of a priority. He is, however, being hyperbolic about Crenshaw's bus service. I'm not in that area much, but I'm pretty sure Crenshaw still has adequate bus service (certain more than other parts of L.A. County). If I were Damien, I'd try catching a bus between North Hollywood and Burbank on a casual day (Line 183 - which runs once an hour and stops running after 9:00pm) and then see if he thinks Crenshaw is still that awful. He has used this tactic in the past, especially with Crenshaw since very few people outside of the Leimert Park area give two hoots about the Crenshaw Line. He had showed up at Purple Line Extension meetings criticizing that project trying to get support for his Crenshaw Subway even though previously he had been a supporter of the Westside Extension. Probably the same here. Of course, he always goes after the race card as that is about his only argument. I hadn't heard much about his lawsuit lately. I wonder if it is still in play. Hopefully, the Leimert Station is in the contractor's bid and that will really take the wind out of his sails. His schtik is pretty much always the same and getting really old.
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Post by numble on Aug 19, 2018 7:50:04 GMT -8
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Post by jahanes on Dec 2, 2018 7:28:50 GMT -8
All the streetcar funds should be reallocated to the WSAB tunnel running (hopefully) under 8th St. It would do far more to improve access to the historic core, and it surely needs the money.
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Post by joquitter on Dec 3, 2018 9:04:08 GMT -8
All the streetcar funds should be reallocated to the WSAB tunnel running (hopefully) under 8th St. It would do far more to improve access to the historic core, and it surely needs the money. LOL seriously. Much better use of resources
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