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Post by masonite on Mar 4, 2014 21:19:25 GMT -8
My guess is that the line would terminate some trains at the current Gold Line Maintenance yard, at least those from the Blue Line. If the Gold Line can really step up its ridership, which is doubtful, they could possibly go to the Monrovia Yard with half or less continuing on East.
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 4, 2014 23:44:27 GMT -8
It would be quite historic for some Gold Line trains to turn back at Monrovia--this was what Pacific Electric did 65 years ago. Every other base service train would go all the way to Glendora, the remainder would "swap ends" in Monrovia. During rush hours, there would be two and three-car trains to Monrovia, interspersed with single cars to Glendora. And the Azusa-Citrus terminal for the Foothill Extension Phase 2A will be only about 1.5 miles from the site of the PE Glendora station.
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Post by bzcat on Mar 5, 2014 11:05:19 GMT -8
That's a good assessment, however I anticipate the Expo Line once it reaches Santa Monica, that line will have a demand much like the Blue Line and it will have heavier demand during off peak periods so that line will need 3 car trains. Also because the Regional Connector will see an immediate 25% increase in ridership on the Pasadena/SGV Gold Line leg, I think that will now enable 3 car trains to run during off peak period. You add to this events like USC games at the Coliseum and from my anecdotal observations, the majority of USC game patrons are near the Pasadena/SGV leg of the Gold Line where trains are busier. The outlier in this conversation will be the Eastside Leg because of its routing, I see demand increase because Eastside residents can connect into Downtown quickly ans connect to the Red/Purple Line faster, however there's so much excess capacity currently on 2 car trains running every 6 minutes it won't need 3 car trains every 6 minutes, more like 3 car trains every 12 to match the demand. So the Long Beach Blue Line will need 3 car trains, Expo and SGV Gold Line legs will need 3 car trains. Eastside can get by with 2 car trains based upon demand. Thanks for the additional info. So assuming 3 of the 4 segments will require 3 cars pretty much round the clock, I'm curious as to what your opinion on how Metro will operate E-line if the Eastside segment only needs 2 cars but the Expo segment needs 3 cars. I would assume they just run 3 cars to East LA to avoid the headache. Based on the additional info you provided (i.e. Expo segment will need more than 6 minute headway), I can see an operational pattern like this during peak time: Azusa --> Long Beach --> Azusa every 6 minutes Long Beach --> Metro Center (change sign) --> Santa Monica --> Metro Center (change sign) --> Long Beach every 6 minutes Santa Monica --> East LA --> Santa Monica every 6 minutes During off peak period: Azusa --> Long Beach --> Azusa every 6 minutes Santa Monica --> East LA --> Santa Monica every 6 minutes
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Post by JerardWright on Mar 5, 2014 22:22:05 GMT -8
That's a good assessment, however I anticipate the Expo Line once it reaches Santa Monica, that line will have a demand much like the Blue Line and it will have heavier demand during off peak periods so that line will need 3 car trains. Also because the Regional Connector will see an immediate 25% increase in ridership on the Pasadena/SGV Gold Line leg, I think that will now enable 3 car trains to run during off peak period. You add to this events like USC games at the Coliseum and from my anecdotal observations, the majority of USC game patrons are near the Pasadena/SGV leg of the Gold Line where trains are busier. The outlier in this conversation will be the Eastside Leg because of its routing, I see demand increase because Eastside residents can connect into Downtown quickly ans connect to the Red/Purple Line faster, however there's so much excess capacity currently on 2 car trains running every 6 minutes it won't need 3 car trains every 6 minutes, more like 3 car trains every 12 to match the demand. So the Long Beach Blue Line will need 3 car trains, Expo and SGV Gold Line legs will need 3 car trains. Eastside can get by with 2 car trains based upon demand. Thanks for the additional info. So assuming 3 of the 4 segments will require 3 cars pretty much round the clock, I'm curious as to what your opinion on how Metro will operate E-line if the Eastside segment only needs 2 cars but the Expo segment needs 3 cars. I would assume they just run 3 cars to East LA to avoid the headache. Based on the additional info you provided (i.e. Expo segment will need more than 6 minute headway), I can see an operational pattern like this during peak time: Azusa --> Long Beach --> Azusa every 6 minutes Long Beach --> Metro Center (change sign) --> Santa Monica --> Metro Center (change sign) --> Long Beach every 6 minutes Santa Monica --> East LA --> Santa Monica every 6 minutes During off peak period: Azusa --> Long Beach --> Azusa every 6 minutes Santa Monica --> East LA --> Santa Monica every 6 minutes I think that is the case where the Eastside may run on a 12 minute frequency with the 3 car trains. If the Eastside Line is connected to the Long Beach Blue Line then this arrangement is easier to accomplish because during peak and off peak time every other train from Long Beach will end in Downtown LA.
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