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Post by numble on Jan 29, 2021 12:57:18 GMT -8
December 2020 status report for Crenshaw Line. 97.9% complete, but contractor again updated forecast to add another 26 days of delay, pushing forecast completion to April 24 and revenue service date to October 6, but Metro staff has said they are not confident in these forecasts.
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Post by andert on Jan 29, 2021 13:10:08 GMT -8
man Crenshaw progress has been pretty grim
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Post by bzcat on Feb 2, 2021 21:41:28 GMT -8
This line is completely off the radar of the county political power brokers so it has received virtually no scrutiny. Those of us that have been here long enough to both phases of Expo line construction remembers the intense scrutiny from everyone from the country board to the LA city neighborhood councils on every delays.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Feb 13, 2021 9:41:55 GMT -8
Anyone know what's going on with 96th street station? It never gets mentioned in board meetings that I've heard. According to Metro's project website, the construction contract was supposed to be awarded in mid-2020 for a completion in 2023. Nothing ever gets completed on time so had that actually happened, it would more likely open in 2024, but it's almost a year later and no contract has been awarded as far as I know. Are we looking at 2025 or later for the people mover to connect to the Crenshaw line? It's quite the contrast to see how quickly an airport with no experience can build a train inside a working airport compared to a transit agency with decades of experience trying to build a station on unoccupied land. www.metro.net/projects/lax-extension/
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Post by numble on Feb 13, 2021 11:37:22 GMT -8
Anyone know what's going on with 96th street station? It never gets mentioned in board meetings that I've heard. According to Metro's project website, the construction contract was supposed to be awarded in mid-2020 for a completion in 2023. Nothing ever gets completed on time so had that actually happened, it would more likely open in 2024, but it's almost a year later and no contract has been awarded as far as I know. Are we looking at 2025 or later for the people mover to connect to the Crenshaw line? It's quite the contrast to see how quickly an airport with no experience can build a train inside a working airport compared to a transit agency with decades of experience trying to build a station on unoccupied land. www.metro.net/projects/lax-extension/Bids were due at the end of September 2020, so I think the contract will be awarded soon. Usually Metro takes around half a year to evaluate bids. When the contract is awarded, we should have a good idea of the construction timeline. Unlike design-build contracts, where after the contract is awarded, the contractor spends a year designing the project, the station is supposed to already be designed, so the contractor would start building much more immediately after contract award.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Feb 13, 2021 16:17:57 GMT -8
Thank you for the update numble. I'll look for a Twitter update from you when an award is announced.
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Post by numble on Feb 15, 2021 1:00:22 GMT -8
Thank you for the update numble. I'll look for a Twitter update from you when an award is announced. I was wrong--this project is still accepting bids. They changed the due date for bids. The due date for bids is currently March 11, 2021. So that means the contract will not be awarded soon, since they usually spend several months evaluating bids after the due date. You can see the projects that are currently accepting bids at business.metro.net/ (Go to Solicitations => Open Solicitations). The oldest project still accepting bids is the station: C1197 - Airport Metro Connector Transit Station/96th Street Station.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Feb 15, 2021 16:51:27 GMT -8
Thank you for the update numble. I'll look for a Twitter update from you when an award is announced. I was wrong--this project is still accepting bids. They changed the due date for bids. The due date for bids is currently March 11, 2021. So that means the contract will not be awarded soon, since they usually spend several months evaluating bids after the due date. You can see the projects that are currently accepting bids at business.metro.net/ (Go to Solicitations => Open Solicitations). The oldest project still accepting bids is the station: C1197 - Airport Metro Connector Transit Station/96th Street Station. I'll repeat that the comparative differences in the abilities of LA Metro and LAWA to execute rail construction is staggering. The people mover may be mostly completed before metro even breaks ground on a station that was supposed to be built concurrently.
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Post by numble on Feb 25, 2021 22:12:13 GMT -8
I was wrong--this project is still accepting bids. They changed the due date for bids. The due date for bids is currently March 11, 2021. So that means the contract will not be awarded soon, since they usually spend several months evaluating bids after the due date. You can see the projects that are currently accepting bids at business.metro.net/ (Go to Solicitations => Open Solicitations). The oldest project still accepting bids is the station: C1197 - Airport Metro Connector Transit Station/96th Street Station. I'll repeat that the comparative differences in the abilities of LA Metro and LAWA to execute rail construction is staggering. The people mover may be mostly completed before metro even breaks ground on a station that was supposed to be built concurrently. This document provides the latest update, a presentation to the Measure M Independent Taxpayer Oversight Committee on March 3, 2021: metro.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=9202415&GUID=7A16E17C-432B-4553-9185-495F9B517702According to this, they're aiming at awarding an Early Works contract by this spring, and the main contract by this fall. There has been issues with eminent domaining the property.
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Post by bzcat on Feb 26, 2021 11:19:19 GMT -8
At this rate, the airport train will be operational with no Metro station to transfer to for years.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Feb 27, 2021 13:17:24 GMT -8
At this rate, the airport train will be operational with no Metro station to transfer to for years. Barring some significant issue in the people mover construction, that will almost certainly be the case. Additionally, the K line (crenshaw) is going to be impacted by significant closures due to 96th street station construction and the centinela overpass. I was looking forward to using it, but I don't think that it will benefit my commute for several years.
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Post by numble on Mar 7, 2021 17:11:47 GMT -8
January 2021 status report for Crenshaw Line. 98.1% complete (+0.3%). Contractor added another month to forecast completion (now May 25, 2021 instead of April 24, 2021), pushing forecast revenue service date to November 6, 2021 instead of October 5, 2021. Another 2 months of this and the project will probably officially not be expected to open this year.
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Post by numble on Mar 15, 2021 7:21:03 GMT -8
Some news on the Airport Metro Connector front, Tutor Perini has announced that it submitted the lowest bid ($478 million) for the project.
The press release says work would begin in the third quarter of 2021 with substantial completion expected in the first quarter of 2025. I think LAX says the people mover will open in 2023.
Maybe the contract award process is faster for this project than others since it should be mostly designed, and it’s just one station. When they evaluate bids for projects that are a lot of stations and miles of track, they take a long time.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Mar 15, 2021 11:19:39 GMT -8
Some news on the Airport Metro Connector front, Tutor Perini has announced that it submitted the lowest bid ($478 million) for the project. The press release says work would begin in the third quarter of 2021 with substantial completion expected in the first quarter of 2025. I think LAX says the people mover will open in 2023. Maybe the contract award process is faster for this project than others since it should be mostly designed, and it’s just one station. When they evaluate bids for projects that are a lot of stations and miles of track, they take a long time. It will be interesting to see the construction timeline and how that impacts service. The original plan was to build bypass tracks and run trains during station construction but that plan was scrapped. So what impact will that have? We know what the plan is for the C and K lines, but how does station construction disrupt access to the yard and can they get trains both north and south from the yard? Looking at google it looks like the trains enter the alignment south of the station. So how do they get them north and how do they get them back in the yard? I hope that I don’t annoy by repeating the same message, but it’s worth noting how far behind a public transportation agency (Metro) is when compared to an airport authority for a the construction of a rail transportation project. I wonder if projects would be completed faster and cheaper if LAWA managed them? I know that it took metro years to decide whether or not they could build while the line was operating. Given the significant delayed opening for the K line, had they started construction on the original schedule they could possibly have avoided the significant disruption that lies ahead.
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Post by numble on Mar 15, 2021 12:28:37 GMT -8
Some news on the Airport Metro Connector front, Tutor Perini has announced that it submitted the lowest bid ($478 million) for the project. The press release says work would begin in the third quarter of 2021 with substantial completion expected in the first quarter of 2025. I think LAX says the people mover will open in 2023. Maybe the contract award process is faster for this project than others since it should be mostly designed, and it’s just one station. When they evaluate bids for projects that are a lot of stations and miles of track, they take a long time. It will be interesting to see the construction timeline and how that impacts service. The original plan was to build bypass tracks and run trains during station construction but that plan was scrapped. So what impact will that have? We know what the plan is for the C and K lines, but how does station construction disrupt access to the yard and can they get trains both north and south from the yard? Looking at google it looks like the trains enter the alignment south of the station. So how do they get them north and how do they get them back in the yard? I hope that I don’t annoy by repeating the same message, but it’s worth noting how far behind a public transportation agency (Metro) is when compared to an airport authority for a the construction of a rail transportation project. I wonder if projects would be completed faster and cheaper if LAWA managed them? I know that it took metro years to decide whether or not they could build while the line was operating. Given the significant delayed opening for the K line, had they started construction on the original schedule they could possibly have avoided the significant disruption that lies ahead. I think they may have flip-flopped back to using a shoofly. From a March 3, 2021 presentation to the Measure M Independent Taxpayer Oversight Committee: metro.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=9202415&GUID=7A16E17C-432B-4553-9185-495F9B517702
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Post by numble on Mar 15, 2021 13:25:06 GMT -8
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Post by bluelineshawn on Mar 15, 2021 15:52:48 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see the construction timeline and how that impacts service. The original plan was to build bypass tracks and run trains during station construction but that plan was scrapped. So what impact will that have? We know what the plan is for the C and K lines, but how does station construction disrupt access to the yard and can they get trains both north and south from the yard? Looking at google it looks like the trains enter the alignment south of the station. So how do they get them north and how do they get them back in the yard? I hope that I don’t annoy by repeating the same message, but it’s worth noting how far behind a public transportation agency (Metro) is when compared to an airport authority for a the construction of a rail transportation project. I wonder if projects would be completed faster and cheaper if LAWA managed them? I know that it took metro years to decide whether or not they could build while the line was operating. Given the significant delayed opening for the K line, had they started construction on the original schedule they could possibly have avoided the significant disruption that lies ahead. I think they may have flip-flopped back to using a shoofly. From a March 3, 2021 presentation to the Measure M Independent Taxpayer Oversight Committee: metro.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=9202415&GUID=7A16E17C-432B-4553-9185-495F9B517702Thanks! Hope that it sticks this time.
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Post by numble on Mar 18, 2021 16:06:07 GMT -8
Updates at the March 2021 Construction Committee meeting.
They don't think contractor can turn over the Crenshaw Line to Metro in May/June as the contractor is claiming it can do. They think it is looking more like towards the end of 2021 when the project is done. Meanwhile, they think the Regional Connector will be turned over to Metro in January 2022.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Mar 20, 2021 14:51:01 GMT -8
Crazy that the Regional connector is 78% complete and Crenshaw is 98% complete, yet metro believes that they will be turned over for testing at about the same time. Believe when I see it.
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Post by numble on Apr 10, 2021 15:12:40 GMT -8
The LAX station project has ballooned to $898.5 million budget (the cost of Expo Line Phase 1?). No shoofly will be used, the Crenshaw Line will be cut off for 20 months from the start of this station’s construction in Fall 2021.
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Post by andert on Apr 10, 2021 16:45:44 GMT -8
So... The southern half of the crenshaw line will be closed in 3 places immediately after the line finally 'opens'? - Centinela for the grade separation, LAX station, and where you had said they wanted to cap the trenches by the runway? Surely they're just going to run a bus bridge along the full southern half for two years. Hell, can the northern half even work as a minimum operating segment?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 10, 2021 17:36:43 GMT -8
So... The southern half of the crenshaw line will be closed in 3 places immediately after the line finally 'opens'? - Centinela for the grade separation, LAX station, and where you had said they wanted to cap the trenches by the runway? Surely they're just going to run a bus bridge along the full southern half for two years. Hell, can the northern half even work as a minimum operating segment? The doc says that the first thing for 96th street will be to construct turnback tracks for both north and south of the station. This should allow trains to run normally from Norwalk to century. North of 96th is obviously screwed due to centinela construction. I wonder how airport employees and travelers will get to LAX from the C line during this construction? Right now they take the shuttle from aviation, but this seems like a waste when the train ends at Century. Will they operate shuttles from Century? I would guess so. Will the 96th street people mover station even open without the K line station?
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 10, 2021 17:41:13 GMT -8
The LAX station project has ballooned to $898.5 million budget (the cost of Expo Line Phase 1?). No shoofly will be used, the Crenshaw Line will be cut off for 20 months from the start of this station’s construction in Fall 2021. Nearly a billion dollars?!? I mean it's a nice station and will be a flagship type station, but nearly a billion dollars seems like an awful lot for an above ground light rail station. I do see that they include the costs for metro staff and the purchase or rail cars as part of this estimate. I don't think that's normal for station construction. For whatever reason they may be trying to get a big number. Maybe to get more federal money?
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Post by numble on Apr 10, 2021 20:45:30 GMT -8
The LAX station project has ballooned to $898.5 million budget (the cost of Expo Line Phase 1?). No shoofly will be used, the Crenshaw Line will be cut off for 20 months from the start of this station’s construction in Fall 2021. Nearly a billion dollars?!? I mean it's a nice station and will be a flagship type station, but nearly a billion dollars seems like an awful lot for an above ground light rail station. I do see that they include the costs for metro staff and the purchase or rail cars as part of this estimate. I don't think that's normal for station construction. For whatever reason they may be trying to get a big number. Maybe to get more federal money? Really good catch! They also included $37m from the Crenshaw Line in the budget.
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Post by numble on Apr 11, 2021 8:29:38 GMT -8
So... The southern half of the crenshaw line will be closed in 3 places immediately after the line finally 'opens'? - Centinela for the grade separation, LAX station, and where you had said they wanted to cap the trenches by the runway? Surely they're just going to run a bus bridge along the full southern half for two years. Hell, can the northern half even work as a minimum operating segment? I’ve kept mentioning the trench capping because it’s one thing that shows up on the Measure M ordinance itself, with planned dates and all, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate that Metro has been working on it. I don’t think it will be worked on unless a board director asks about it.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Apr 12, 2021 10:19:08 GMT -8
the way the crenshaw line has been allowed to languish unfinished for nearly three years out of nothing but spite and malice, and then the crenshaw line is going to chopped up and made deliberately unusable for five years AFTER it opens is SO FREAKING RACIST, in Los Angeles, the cruelty is the point.
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Post by numble on Apr 12, 2021 11:00:22 GMT -8
Details on the LAX APM station schedule and service during the construction period. They estimate that the Crenshaw Line will be done December 2021, with service starting June 2022. It will operate only the section north of the APM station for a year, and then operate end-to-end starting July 2023. The APM station is expected to open July 2024.
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Post by coasterfreak18 on Apr 12, 2021 14:50:42 GMT -8
<script id="th-iframe-script" src="chrome-extension://ofdopmlmgifpfkijadehmhjccbefaeec/assets/comms/commsiframe.js"></script> Details on the LAX APM station schedule and service during the construction period. They estimate that the Crenshaw Line will be done December 2021, with service starting June 2022. It will operate only the section north of the APM station for a year, and then operate end-to-end starting July 2023. The APM station is expected to open July 2024. And will they at least grade-separate Centinela during this time? If not, I don't even know what to say.
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Post by numble on Apr 12, 2021 14:57:47 GMT -8
<script id="th-iframe-script" src="chrome-extension://ofdopmlmgifpfkijadehmhjccbefaeec/assets/comms/commsiframe.js"></script> Details on the LAX APM station schedule and service during the construction period. They estimate that the Crenshaw Line will be done December 2021, with service starting June 2022. It will operate only the section north of the APM station for a year, and then operate end-to-end starting July 2023. The APM station is expected to open July 2024. And will they at least grade-separate Centinela during this time? If not, I don't even know what to say. Here are the most updated details on the Centinela grade separation project. They are targeting coming up with the funding and delivery plan this summer, and target completing the separation by 2025.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 13, 2021 9:53:53 GMT -8
This is a complete unmitigated disaster of a project.
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