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Post by usmc1401 on Aug 28, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -8
On Thursday August 25 2022 I made two trips in an hour on the 405 freeway and drove under the Crenshaw line bridge at Florence. Both times as a two car test train went over the freeway bridge. Testing must be underway.
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Post by bzcat on Aug 31, 2022 17:08:01 GMT -8
Testing started 2 weeks ago I think. Metro posted video of the test train on the K line on its social media last week.
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Post by macross287 on Sept 22, 2022 10:06:41 GMT -8
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Post by John Ryan on Sept 25, 2022 17:42:23 GMT -8
Media is writing that the Centinela grade separation is a done deal. I thought it was not yet finalized?
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Post by joquitter on Sept 26, 2022 16:09:46 GMT -8
Media is writing that the Centinela grade separation is a done deal. I thought it was not yet finalized? It was my understanding that the money wasn't there yet.
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Post by macross287 on Sept 27, 2022 20:52:52 GMT -8
Fun update. You can now see the soon to be opened k line stations on Google maps.
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Post by metrocenter on Oct 10, 2022 10:38:09 GMT -8
The Metro K Line (aka Crenshaw Line from Westchester to Exposition) is now open. I haven't rode it yet, will do so as soon as I get a few hours off.
And all these years later, former rail transit advocate Damien Goodmon is still getting the spotlight on local news, talking about how terrible it all is.
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Post by mattapoisett on Oct 14, 2022 8:46:47 GMT -8
....and all these years later, former rail transit advocate Damien Goodmon is still getting the spotlight on local news, talking about how terrible it all is. He's not wrong. Metro's capital rail projects are camels (Horses built by committee) and classist. Though Damien might say racist. The couple of times I've taken the K line down Crenshaw, it has stopped at every light between 48th and 60th. Does that seem familiar? Where the Expo Line is stopping at every crossing between Washington and Crenshaw before it is grade separated for the convenience of the westside. Also note, the plan for the K Line northern extension is entirely grade separated. Also I think the crosswalk at Expo and Crenshaw is the most dangerous in the system. I'm wondering when the first crash to cause a fatality will happen.
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Post by masonite on Oct 14, 2022 12:01:27 GMT -8
....and all these years later, former rail transit advocate Damien Goodmon is still getting the spotlight on local news, talking about how terrible it all is. He's not wrong. Metro's capital rail projects are camels (Horses built by committee) and classist. Though Damien might say racist. The couple of times I've taken the K line down Crenshaw, it has stopped at every light between 48th and 60th. Does that seem familiar? Where the Expo Line is stopping at every crossing between Washington and Crenshaw before it is grade separated for the convenience of the westside. Also note, the plan for the K Line northern extension is entirely grade separated. Also I think the crosswalk at Expo and Crenshaw is the most dangerous in the system. I'm wondering when the first crash to cause a fatality will happen. The Crenshaw Line just should not have been built. It has none of the qualities of a successful line. It travels along mostly low density areas with single family homes with the neighborhoods opposed to more building along the line. There are no regional destinations near the line, it is quite slow, and it was very expensive to build. It is like the Eastside Gold Line, which has terrible ridership. Metro never recovered from the subway uproar in the 90’s. Instead of building the subway into the Eastside along a much better corridor and along Wilshire to the West, we built the flawed Expo and Eastside Gold Line and now the Crenshaw Line. Vermont would have been far better place for rail.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Oct 15, 2022 3:26:57 GMT -8
The Crenshaw Line just should not have been built. It has none of the qualities of a successful line. It travels along mostly low density areas with single family homes with the neighborhoods opposed to more building along the line. There are no regional destinations near the line, it is quite slow, and it was very expensive to build. It is like the Eastside Gold Line, which has terrible ridership. Metro never recovered from the subway uproar in the 90’s. Instead of building the subway into the Eastside along a much better corridor and along Wilshire to the West, we built the flawed Expo and Eastside Gold Line and now the Crenshaw Line. Vermont would have been far better place for rail. I guess that it depends on your definition of "near" as The Forum, SoFi, Intuit, and most certainly LAX are all regional destinations. And Crenshaw/Leimert is a destination for black LA, although less so every year as businesses shutter and change and the black population declines. Eventually when extended north, the K line will connect residents with jobs and even more destinations. The population density along the Crenshaw part of the line is mostly in the 10-15,000 people per square mile range (esp on the east side of Crenshaw), which is higher than most of LA. And residents everywhere in LA outside of downtown and Koreatown oppose increasing density. It's certainly not unique to Crenshaw. Either way, it is getting denser despite that opposition and additional jobs and amenities are already being built with more on the way. The ridership will be there once it fully opens. I think that it will for East LA as well when it connects to the existing E starting next year.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Oct 15, 2022 3:30:07 GMT -8
Media is writing that the Centinela grade separation is a done deal. I thought it was not yet finalized? It was my understanding that the money wasn't there yet. I think that numble tweeted that it was >50% funded. That's not a done deal, but it sounds like most expect that it will happen.
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Post by John Ryan on Oct 16, 2022 13:55:25 GMT -8
It was my understanding that the money wasn't there yet. I think that numble tweeted that it was >50% funded. That's not a done deal, but it sounds like most expect that it will happen. Terrible news. So we will finally get the line open next year to shut down even more of it for at least a year.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Oct 17, 2022 6:10:49 GMT -8
I think that numble tweeted that it was >50% funded. That's not a done deal, but it sounds like most expect that it will happen. Terrible news. So we will finally get the line open next year to shut down even more of it for at least a year. Yup. The project factsheet states that construction will take place between 2022 and 2025. Maybe that’s 2023 to 2026 given the late opening of the K line. We don’t know how much of that period will require that the line be closed, but like you I suspect that it will be significant.
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Post by macross287 on Oct 17, 2022 9:00:19 GMT -8
I'm just hoping they delay the centinela project till after the Olympics. That will give us a few years of full service before they implement a bus bridge.
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Post by TransportationZ on Oct 18, 2022 18:53:35 GMT -8
Terrible news. So we will finally get the line open next year to shut down even more of it for at least a year. Yup. The project factsheet states that construction will take place between 2022 and 2025. Maybe that’s 2023 to 2026 given the late opening of the K line. We don’t know how much of that period will require that the line be closed, but like you I suspect that it will be significant. Good grief, it's like this project was conceived, built, and managed in a vacuum. The Crenshaw Line just should not have been built. It has none of the qualities of a successful line. It travels along mostly low density areas with single family homes with the neighborhoods opposed to more building along the line. There are no regional destinations near the line, it is quite slow, and it was very expensive to build. It is like the Eastside Gold Line, which has terrible ridership. Metro never recovered from the subway uproar in the 90’s. Instead of building the subway into the Eastside along a much better corridor and along Wilshire to the West, we built the flawed Expo and Eastside Gold Line and now the Crenshaw Line. Vermont would have been far better place for rail. I guess that it depends on your definition of "near" as The Forum, SoFi, Intuit, and most certainly LAX are all regional destinations. And Crenshaw/Leimert is a destination for black LA, although less so every year as businesses shutter and change and the black population declines. Eventually when extended north, the K line will connect residents with jobs and even more destinations. The population density along the Crenshaw part of the line is mostly in the 10-15,000 people per square mile range (esp on the east side of Crenshaw), which is higher than most of LA. And residents everywhere in LA outside of downtown and Koreatown oppose increasing density. It's certainly not unique to Crenshaw. Either way, it is getting denser despite that opposition and additional jobs and amenities are already being built with more on the way. The ridership will be there once it fully opens. I think that it will for East LA as well when it connects to the existing E starting next year. Terribly managed aside, I do think that once this line is finally built out from Hollywood to possibly Torrance(depending on how Metro decides to operate K with C), it will have a great ridership. A direct link between Hollywood, West LA, Leimert Park, Inglewood(with their fancy new stadium and entertainment district) and the LAX APM with connections to FOUR busy metro rail lines is total winner.
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Post by masonite on Oct 26, 2022 21:49:46 GMT -8
Looks like weekday ridership has averaged about 2,500 a day.
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Post by tramfan on Nov 2, 2022 12:39:36 GMT -8
Not a big whoop considering the awful transfer to and from the E line and the terminal station basically in no-mans land. It now basically serves no-one to nowhere. They should have waited opening this line until it connected to anything that it was conceived for. Now it just serves as a training track for rail operators. They also really should move the Crenshaw station on the E line to the Eastside of Crenshaw Blvd to make a transfer to the K line easier and less dangerous as it is now. By suspending operations on this K line debacle until 2024 they might save some money that can be invested in getting the Torrance extension going sooner.
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Post by masonite on Nov 3, 2022 11:31:40 GMT -8
Looks like weekday ridership has averaged about 2,500 a day. Correction. It is 2,000 per weekday.
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Post by expo on Dec 2, 2022 20:12:42 GMT -8
Has anyone ridden this line enough to speak to interaction with traffic lights? Someone at metro told me a year ago that the signaling was going to be “state of the art”, so I’m hoping the signal priority is good enough to allow for few if any stops at red lights.
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Post by JerardWright on Dec 5, 2022 17:14:32 GMT -8
Has anyone ridden this line enough to speak to interaction with traffic lights? Someone at metro told me a year ago that the signaling was going to be “state of the art”, so I’m hoping the signal priority is good enough to allow for few if any stops at red lights. I rode it Saturday Night and I had a stop watch with me and the slowest sections were the gated and railroad alignment along Florence Avenue and the tunnel from 60th Street to West Blvd. It never went above 30mph. The street running section on Crenshaw had two red lights; one at Slauson and again at 52nd Street. Both of which makes sense because Slauson is a busy intersection and 52nd Street is next to Crenshaw HS. The K line ridership is so dependent on LAX it is not even funny. I hope Metro will adjust their proposed service pattern- when the 96th Street Station opens- to just have a true North South service from Marine/Redondo to Expo/Crenshaw and C Line service from 96th Street to Norwalk.
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Post by expo on Dec 6, 2022 11:53:11 GMT -8
Has anyone ridden this line enough to speak to interaction with traffic lights? Someone at metro told me a year ago that the signaling was going to be “state of the art”, so I’m hoping the signal priority is good enough to allow for few if any stops at red lights. I rode it Saturday Night and I had a stop watch with me and the slowest sections were the gated and railroad alignment along Florence Avenue and the tunnel from 60th Street to West Blvd. It never went above 30mph. The street running section on Crenshaw had two red lights; one at Slauson and again at 52nd Street. Both of which makes sense because Slauson is a busy intersection and 52nd Street is next to Crenshaw HS. The K line ridership is so dependent on LAX it is not even funny. I hope Metro will adjust their proposed service pattern- when the 96th Street Station opens- to just have a true North South service from Marine/Redondo to Expo/Crenshaw and C Line service from 96th Street to Norwalk. Thanks Jerard. Only 30mph?? That's so slow for a separate alignment! Hopefully they'll increase the speed limit on that section after it's been running for a bit. This being Metro though, I'm not optimistic.
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Post by JerardWright on Dec 9, 2022 11:37:15 GMT -8
Only 30mph?? That's so slow for a separate alignment! Hopefully they'll increase the speed limit on that section after it's been running for a bit. This being Metro though, I'm not optimistic. After a year of operations and ironing out the kinks the schedule should improve about 2 minutes or so between Westchester and Expo/Crenshaw
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Post by bzcat on Jun 30, 2023 11:44:53 GMT -8
Common sense prevailed as Metro tweeted they are going with option 2 for C and K line - simple N-S and E-W alignment which will ensure adequate headways in all segments.
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