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Post by brady12 on Apr 20, 2021 5:51:15 GMT -8
If the Sepulveda line gets built as HRT and gets done fairly correctly and quickly. There will be one undeniable impact on the area:
If the line becomes as popular as many think it could be -‘the Expo line to Santa Monica is going to be overwhelmed within very short amount of time. This means something has to be done • whether it be vastly improved headway’s or longer trains or whatever
But we all know the solution that makes sense is spending the $3.5B to bring the Purple Line to the beach. Is it more important than Vermont or Crenshaw North? No. More important than fixing Flower St? No. But it would give vastly more benefits than I think the project is given credit for
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Post by Tomthumb on Apr 20, 2021 6:36:53 GMT -8
If a Bundy route were chosen southward, it would be a small step, conceptually, to implement a Sepulveda line/Purple line junction converging on VA station from the west, from which the Sepulveda/Purple tracks continue to the Expo/Bundy transfer. That would make the Expo capacity problem even worse, though, so maybe the best strategy for that is purposefully avoiding that junction, and forcing payment of the Sepulveda line private fare for the 2 station purple/expo connection many will try to make.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 20, 2021 10:17:24 GMT -8
I think a realistic short term solution is to make sure Wilshire bus lane is upgraded to full BRT from Westwood to Santa Monica and make that service really fast and reliable.
Long term, of course extending D line to the Downtown Santa Monica is the best solution and I agree with brady12's priority... should be after Crenshaw North, Vermont, and Flower St.
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Post by fissure on Apr 24, 2021 11:46:13 GMT -8
Santa Monica Blvd needs the curb anti-gridlock lanes between Bundy and the 405 turned into bus lanes like Wilshire. Could save 10+ minutes traversing that segment at peak if they're actually enforced.
Getting the D to Westwood will also take some load off Expo. Right now the fastest way to get from SM to Ktown is either doubling back via 7th St or taking Expo to the Vermont/Western buses. That won't be the case once you can take a bus to the VA and then zoom across the city underground.
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Post by JerardWright on Apr 24, 2021 12:29:47 GMT -8
If the Sepulveda line gets built as HRT and gets done fairly correctly and quickly. There will be one undeniable impact on the area: If the line becomes as popular as many think it could be -‘the Expo line to Santa Monica is going to be overwhelmed within very short amount of time. This means something has to be done • whether it be vastly improved headway’s or longer trains or whatever But we all know the solution that makes sense is spending the $3.5B to bring the Purple Line to the beach. Is it more important than Vermont or Crenshaw North? No. More important than fixing Flower St? No. But it would give vastly more benefits than I think the project is given credit for How much over capacity are we really talking about to Santa Monica? Given that the bulk of Expo Line "E" ridership thins out after Bundy then again at Bergamont/Watergarden area which are all short hops away from the Expo/Sepulveda transfer point? More than likely these standees will be riding the short distance anyway. The best solutions would be a frequent BRT with bus only lanes on Wilshire and Santa Monica Blvd. |
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 24, 2021 13:02:17 GMT -8
How much over capacity are we really talking about to Santa Monica? Given that the bulk of Expo Line "E" ridership thins out after Bundy then again at Bergamont/Watergarden area which are all short hops away from the Expo/Sepulveda transfer point? More than likely these standees will be riding the short distance anyway. The best solutions would be a frequent BRT with bus only lanes on Wilshire and Santa Monica Blvd. It'll be interesting to see what Expo capacity looks like after the D line extension opens. I don't think that they have the same riders and that Expo will stay close to capacity at rush hours. I tend to agree that the portion west of the 405 - in my experience - isn't at capacity, but the Sepulveda line will certainly add more riders. I think that all of expo will be over capacity when that line is open. It will need 15-20 trains per hour while metro currently can't even run 10. |
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Post by usmc1401 on Apr 25, 2021 11:00:33 GMT -8
Will the MTA ever go to four car trains on the Expo line.
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Post by bzcat on Apr 26, 2021 12:25:01 GMT -8
I agree with Jerade... if there is high quality BRT on Wilshire and Santa Monica Blvd going west, Expo won't be too overloaded going to Santa Monica. I expect most of the transfers from SFV to D and Expo will be going east.
SFV to Century City
SFV to mid city area
SFV to Culver City
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Post by bluelineshawn on Apr 26, 2021 16:55:11 GMT -8
Why not SFV to Santa Monica? Lots of jobs that way too.
I don't ride the E line enough during rush hour to know the patterns (or at least the patterns just prior to covid), but from what I've seen it's fairly unique in that it doesn't have an overwhelming predominance of people heading east or west. Lots of morning riders commute east to USC and downtown, but lots also commute West towards Culver City and Santa Monica. I think that the ridership models predicted more morning commuters heading West than East and I think that's actually the case.
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Post by fissure on Apr 28, 2021 9:12:05 GMT -8
Will the MTA ever go to four car trains on the Expo line. They'd have to extend every platform, including the underground ones downtown. It will be more cost-effective to just build a new line on Venice if there's capacity issues. |
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Post by usmc1401 on Apr 28, 2021 9:31:44 GMT -8
Thanks for the four car expo line info.
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Post by JerardWright on Apr 28, 2021 19:15:15 GMT -8
Why not SFV to Santa Monica? Lots of jobs that way too. I don't ride the E line enough during rush hour to know the patterns (or at least the patterns just prior to covid), but from what I've seen it's fairly unique in that it doesn't have an overwhelming predominance of people heading east or west. Lots of morning riders commute east to USC and downtown, but lots also commute West towards Culver City and Santa Monica. I think that the ridership models predicted more morning commuters heading West than East and I think that's actually the case. This is exactly why I don't see the crowding issues we will have compared to other lines because from USC to Santa Monica this section has more grade separations and its loadings are about 55% of trips travelling west towards Santa Monica in the AM and east in the PM. The Expo Line is damn near one of the few transit corridors that is close to 50/50 in that it is pretty active in both directions with a good amount of short hop passengers and longer distance travelers. |
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Post by JerardWright on Apr 28, 2021 20:13:08 GMT -8
Will the MTA ever go to four car trains on the Expo line. They'd have to extend every platform, including the underground ones downtown. It will be more cost-effective to just build a new line on Venice if there's capacity issues. That's usually the case, sometimes the cost effectiveness of lengthening platforms will be needed, think for example the Foothill Gold Line. However if you look at most of the Expo Line aerial platforms, they are longer than 300' there is a 50' extension at both ends to hold a 4 car train, but this is the only line on the Metro LRT system that has that. |
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