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Post by masonite on Aug 26, 2014 11:11:21 GMT -8
I guess it's good that Farmdale isn't the worst in all of the categories, even though it never breaks third from last (really second from last, since it's impossible for 7th or Culver City to not be last in some of these). Well, you have to take distance into consideration. For example, 23rd street generates 1078 west bound trips but only from 2 stations (Metro Center, Pico). Farmdale generates 1097 west bound trips but from 8 stations (Metro Center, Pico, 23rd St, Jefferson USC, Expo Park USC, Vermont, Western, Crenshaw). So it is by far the worst performing station without a doubt. Jefferson USC station is also not living up to its promise either from the looks of it. I think the location by the freeway is really not helping. It is great for going to events at Galen Center or the Shrine, but that is all I have ever used it for.
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 17, 2014 11:57:42 GMT -8
Expo Line ridership fell slightly in August 2014 but that could be mainly due to summer vacations:
May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 15, 2014 16:16:13 GMT -8
Ridership crawling up slowly:
September 2014: 31,850
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 16, 2014 9:16:12 GMT -8
Ridership crawling up slowly: September 2014: 31,850 This is encouraging for the Expo Line as the systemwide ridership has been on a decline due to relatively cheap gas. Red and Purple Line subways took the worst hit.
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Post by masonite on Oct 16, 2014 10:10:07 GMT -8
Ridership crawling up slowly: September 2014: 31,850 This is encouraging for the Expo Line as the systemwide ridership has been on a decline due to relatively cheap gas. Red and Purple Line subways took the worst hit. The Red/Purple lines have pretty much decreased some from when they locked the gates. Rail ridership has been pretty flat for a while. Bus ridership continues to decrease. On Expo, I am getting more convinced that Phase II will have quite high ridership. The 10 and related surface streets are just a complete disaster every evening - total gridlock.
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Post by JerardWright on Oct 16, 2014 15:42:21 GMT -8
This is encouraging for the Expo Line as the systemwide ridership has been on a decline due to relatively cheap gas. Red and Purple Line subways took the worst hit. The Red/Purple lines have pretty much decreased some from when they locked the gates. Rail ridership has been pretty flat for a while. Bus ridership continues to decrease. On Expo, I am getting more convinced that Phase II will have quite high ridership. The 10 and related surface streets are just a complete disaster every evening - total gridlock. Absolutely! The fact that the current ridership on Expo with its' current 12 minute headways is over the 30,000 mark is a very strong sign that once you have the shorter headways and extension to Santa Monica, this will be close to equal density to the Blue Line's ridership may even surpass it (80-90K range) in ridership numbers as it will be equally busy in both directions, a strong success indicator for a rail line. transittalk.proboards.com/post/33768
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Post by culvercitylocke on Oct 16, 2014 16:20:05 GMT -8
The 405 is thousand times better being construction free, and moves twice as fast in rush hour (20mph instead of 10mph) but traffic has increased on the 10 now that the 405 moves smoothly. I don't credit the extra lane, I credit the lack of construction as its back to what is was before construction made the 405 infinitely worse.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 16, 2014 22:23:57 GMT -8
It looks like lower gas prices may have now started to hurt the Expo Line ridership as well. This is also telling us that the Expo Line Phase 1 ridership has now leveled in lower 30,000s.
May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679
If the Expo Phase 2 EIR-study ridership estimates are similar to the Phase 1 EIR-study ridership estimates, expect the Expo Phase 2 ridership to be in lower 70,000s, substantially lower than the Blue Line ridership of around 90,000.
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Post by masonite on Dec 17, 2014 11:03:22 GMT -8
It looks like lower gas prices may have now started to hurt the Expo Line ridership as well. This is also telling us that the Expo Line Phase 1 ridership has now leveled in lower 30,000s. May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 If the Expo Phase 2 EIR-study ridership estimates are similar to the Phase 1 EIR-study ridership estimates, expect the Expo Phase 2 ridership to be in lower 70,000s, substantially lower than the Blue Line ridership of around 90,000. I wouldn't read too much into it. Months like August and September tend to be higher than Nov. Dec. will likely be lower than Nov. Gotta compare year over year.
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Post by Gokhan on Jan 17, 2015 9:58:16 GMT -8
Decent Expo Line ridership for December. All other light-rail and heavy-rail lines, except for the Gold Line, have been hurt by cheap gas. Fare increase couldn't have come at a worse time.
May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 December 2014: 30,262
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 11, 2015 15:44:39 GMT -8
May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 December 2014: 30,262
January 2015: 30,137
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 16, 2015 9:23:46 GMT -8
Expo Line ridership has now officially being declining. The line had peaked around 32k last year but now it's down to 30k. Cheaper gas or not, Expo Line Phase 1 ridership has now reached its long-term number and it's unlikely to increase in the future unless it's helped by more lines opening and faster and more frequent service. Gold Line, on the other hand, is doing surprisingly well. Perhaps it has to do with Pasadena offering more affordable housing and rent than Los Angeles.
May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 December 2014: 30,262
January 2015: 30,137 February 2015: 30,191
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Post by masonite on Mar 16, 2015 11:49:20 GMT -8
Expo Line ridership has now officially being declining. The line had peaked around 32k last year but now it's down to 30k. Cheaper gas or not, Expo Line Phase 1 ridership has now reached its long-term number and it's unlikely to increase in the future unless it's helped by more lines opening and faster and more frequent service. Gold Line, on the other hand, is doing surprisingly well. Perhaps it has to do with Pasadena offering more affordable housing and rent than Los Angeles. May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 December 2014: 30,262 January 2015: 30,137 February 2015: 30,191 I wouldn't say it is declining, because it is still up pretty good year over year. It is def. topping out though. There will be a little development along the line, especially at Culver City that may help long term some. Any signal improvement or other speed improvements in the line may help quite a bit with ridership. Of course, 5-6 minute headways will help a little too. Other than that, it is relying on other openings to boost ridership. With Expo Phase II, Crenshaw and the Regional Connector, I have no worries that this line won't have really high ridership overall over the coming years. On the Gold Line, I never understood why it didn't do better initially with its ridership so I think it is more catching up with its potential. Also, I wouldn't say ridership for a 20 mile line at 45k is better than 30k ridership for a 8.6 mile line.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Mar 16, 2015 19:45:56 GMT -8
Expo Line ridership has now officially being declining. The line had peaked around 32k last year but now it's down to 30k. Cheaper gas or not, Expo Line Phase 1 ridership has now reached its long-term number and it's unlikely to increase in the future unless it's helped by more lines opening and faster and more frequent service. Gold Line, on the other hand, is doing surprisingly well. Perhaps it has to do with Pasadena offering more affordable housing and rent than Los Angeles. May 2014: 30,404 June 2014: 31,031 July 2014: 31,710 August 2014: 31,549 September 2014: 31,850 October 2014: 31,362 November 2014: 30,679 December 2014: 30,262 January 2015: 30,137 February 2015: 30,191 I wouldn't say it is declining, because it is still up pretty good year over year. It is def. topping out though. There will be a little development along the line, especially at Culver City that may help long term some. Any signal improvement or other speed improvements in the line may help quite a bit with ridership. Of course, 5-6 minute headways will help a little too. Other than that, it is relying on other openings to boost ridership. With Expo Phase II, Crenshaw and the Regional Connector, I have no worries that this line won't have really high ridership overall over the coming years. On the Gold Line, I never understood why it didn't do better initially with its ridership so I think it is more catching up with its potential. Also, I wouldn't say ridership for a 20 mile line at 45k is better than 30k ridership for a 8.6 mile line. How about the fact that Venice Blvd re-opened in the end of 2014 as a 6 lane highway around Venice/Robertson? Now that it is more convenient to drive through Venice/Robertson than before...wouldn't that impact ridership? The problem with Metro ridership in all cities is that governments also fund Metro rail and bus competition (i.e. wider roads, more left-turn lanes, traffic-sync lighting, etc...). Transit advocates forget to include that when considering why ridership is declining. As we make roads wider (look at Venice blvd today compared late 2013 and early 2014), we can move more cars through the intersection and thus, less need to take Metro Rail. Sad, but true.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Mar 16, 2015 22:56:48 GMT -8
Venice Robertson is the same as it was before, six lanes of traffic and two turning lanes from east bound Venice to north bound Robertson
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Post by johanragle on Mar 16, 2015 23:43:50 GMT -8
I'm still appalled that Venice, which used to be the main PE right of way, offers a slow, overcrowded (on weekends at least) and often-delayed Rapid bus as its only concession to public transit.
The street is certainly wide enough to accommodate bus lanes, or heaven forbid, a center running BRT. Pity that Caltrans, Metro and LADOT can't just make it happen.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Mar 17, 2015 0:00:02 GMT -8
Venice Robertson is the same as it was before, six lanes of traffic and two turning lanes from east bound Venice to north bound Robertson But it wasn't in that configuration when Expo was operating the first couple of years of ridership; and now the ridership is decreasing because lanes got wide in November 2014. I know, I would bike ride daily from Santa Monica to Culver City to hop on the train in the evenings. Now, Venice blvd moves way too fast with cars, more intimidating for bike riders.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Mar 17, 2015 7:38:27 GMT -8
Venice Robertson is the same as it was before, six lanes of traffic and two turning lanes from east bound Venice to north bound Robertson But it wasn't in that configuration when Expo was operating the first couple of years of ridership; and now the ridership is decreasing because lanes got wide in November 2014. I know, I would bike ride daily from Santa Monica to Culver City to hop on the train in the evenings. Now, Venice blvd moves way too fast with cars, more intimidating for bike riders. It was late 2012 or early 2013 when they took away lanes for construction of the bridge, expo was running for several months with venice in its current configuration. Ridership is down city wide because of falling gas prices and improving economy, not because of the Venice Blvd street restoration.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Mar 17, 2015 7:40:56 GMT -8
I'm still appalled that Venice, which used to be the main PE right of way, offers a slow, overcrowded (on weekends at least) and often-delayed Rapid bus as its only concession to public transit. The street is certainly wide enough to accommodate bus lanes, or heaven forbid, a center running BRT. Pity that Caltrans, Metro and LADOT can't just make it happen. bus lanes from San Vicente to Venice public library would be most welcome, you could probably divert to the big roundabout for the final half mile. I wish they'd take away street parking and put bus lanes on LA Cienega as well.
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Post by Gokhan on Mar 17, 2015 9:44:47 GMT -8
It's very unlikely that Venice Blvd construction completion has anything to do with Expo ridership for many reasons. The number of lanes is still the same. All people who take Expo either walk, bike, take the bus, or drive to the station, which were all being negatively affected during the construction. Driving possibly being 5 or 10 minutes faster now affecting Expo ridership, while driving to the station and buses are also 5 or 10 minutes faster now, is not a very significant factor.
Ridership is down because there are no more new riders (ridership has saturated) and some old riders have been lost because of cheaper gas.
How is cycling less safe now as there were no bike lanes during construction, which have been reinstalled now? Even during construction, people were speeding when the traffic was light.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 10, 2016 23:55:02 GMT -8
Looks like the May ridership numbers are out. Metro is claiming 39,000 boardings for May. Since the opening of phase 2 was late in the month it's hard to read the tea leaves. The net increase in boardings is 10,000 over the previous month. So, about 5,000 more bodies in the morning hours and 5,000 more in the evening, spread out, more or less. Right? Anyone recall what the opening month figure for Phase 1 was? Did the line open at the beginning of the month or towards the end? There were 21 weekdays in May and Phase 2 was open for 7 weekdays. April 2016 ridership was 29,047. So, 39,237 - 29,047 = 10,190. This means if Phase 2 was open for the entire 21 weekdays instead of 7 weekdays, the ridership increase would be 10,190 x 21/7 = 30,570. So, the actual Expo Line Nay ridership, accounting for closed days, is 29,047 + 30,570 = 59,617.However, there is a catch. On the first Friday, there were free rides and we need to account for that. The line was only open in the afternoon though and people were working. So, it wasn't that high on the first Friday. Accounting also for the free rides on first Friday, I estimate the actual May ridership to be 58,000, averaged after Phase 2 opened.This puts the Expo Line already well ahead of the Gold Line at 49,000 and only about 20,000 less than the Blue Line. It's not bad for the opening month at all! However, as I said, poor service (two-car trains, breakdowns, accidents, etc.) turned off a lot of initial riders and I felt like the first week had the heaviest ridership and then it dwindled down. This is really sad. I had petitioned Metro not to open the line with two-car trains.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jun 11, 2016 19:25:01 GMT -8
Well while it does suck that some early riders may be turned off, in the long run these things don't matter. In some small number of years this line will be metro's busiest light rail line in terms of pax per mile and will be for many years to come. In the short term I imagine metro felt that it was necessary to open this line to help sway some westside voters for the next transit ballot measure. This line makes the metro rail system "real" for many that may not have felt that way previously.
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Post by exporider on Jul 29, 2016 20:18:33 GMT -8
My ridership guesses for the Expo Line, before Phase 2 opened, were 48,000 average weekday riders for the first month of service (I missed this guess by 2,000), 50,000 daily riders when school is back in session and they are operating 3-car consists on all trains, and 60,000 by 2018, assuming we have 6-minute peak headways by then.
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Post by expo on Aug 8, 2016 14:46:50 GMT -8
Expo ridership for July is out. There has been a drop since June. I'm not surprised, given the lackluster service Metro has been providing with broken down cars, packed trains, and unnecessary stops as detailed in both my and davebowman's rants on the operations thread.
43,199 weekday boardings, 34,440 Saturday boardings, and 31,617 Sunday boardings.
For reference, June was as follows:
45,876 weekday boardings, 34,844 Saturday boardings, 35,995 Sunday boardings.
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Post by joshuanickel on Aug 8, 2016 16:41:39 GMT -8
Expo ridership for July is out. There has been a drop since June. I'm not surprised, given the lackluster service Metro has been providing with broken down cars, packed trains, and unnecessary stops as detailed in both my and davebowman's rants on the operations thread. 43,199 weekday boardings, 34,440 Saturday boardings, and 31,617 Sunday boardings. For reference, June was as follows: 45,876 weekday boardings, 34,844 Saturday boardings, 35,995 Sunday boardings. Keep in mind, in June, some schools were still in session for at least part of the month, which may account for higher weekday attendance. The numbers will most likely start to pick back up in August/September when the different schools are back in session and the incoming freshman classes decide to use the train. I know for a fact that Santa Monica College is really pushing during registration for the Fall semester that the Expo line is an option for people who either don't have a car or want to get out of their car. They even put the train front and center on the front of their course catalog:
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Post by bzcat on Aug 9, 2016 10:58:23 GMT -8
Drop in weekeday July boarding is surely seasonal due to USC and SMC on summer calendar.
There is a similar drop in Rapid 7 ridership on BBB when SMC is on break.
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Post by exporider on Aug 9, 2016 21:14:17 GMT -8
I pretty sure that the drop in Expo ridership is due mostly to the decrease in service on the line. By the end of June most trains on the Expo Line were operating with three cars, so there was more capacity. In early July they cut service so that most weekday trains have only two cars. I'm sure that a lot of riders who tried Expo in the first month went back to driving when they realized that they couldn't find a seat, or even room to stand, on the Expo trains.
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Post by expo on Sept 13, 2016 16:27:16 GMT -8
Expo August ridership is essentially flat from July. I'm a little surprised the 3 car trains haven't given it a bump.
Weekday Saturday Sunday 2015/08 30,221 22,974 17,027 2015/09 30,163 23,287 16,999 2015/10 30,315 22,398 17,066 2015/11 30,830 22,364 17,318 2015/12 30,371 22,142 16,321 2016/01 30,510 21,156 15,464 2016/02 30,785 21,671 15,701 2016/03 30,386 21,074 15,144 2016/04 29,047 21,945 15,965 2016/05 39,237 31,759 34,055 2016/06 45,876 34,844 35,995 2016/07 43,199 34,440 31,617 2016/08 43,015 35,560 32,503
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Post by mattapoisett on Sept 13, 2016 17:26:37 GMT -8
Expo August ridership is essentially flat from July. I'm a little surprised the 3 car trains haven't given it a bump. However they went from a 10 minute to a 20 minute headway in the evenings. Also I still come across more 2-car sets than I'd like to see.
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Post by RMoses on Sept 13, 2016 18:48:55 GMT -8
Line is not mature yet and ridership is inverse to avg gas price which has been down $1.00 YoY.
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