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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 24, 2007 17:33:45 GMT -8
Metro Proposed customer code of conductIn anticipation of the new transit court Metro has a new proposed code of conduct. Some of the ones that I found interesting that we don't have now or are being changed are: 6-05-050[/u] will no longer allow people to block seats with their belongings, put their feet on seats or otherwise occupy more than one seat. 6-05-060[/u] Paragraph A lists recommendations and not rules. A little confusing. 6-05-050[/u]"A person must provide accurate and complete information and documentation when lawfully requested to do so when requested by an authorized Metro representative." Hopefully all they mean is showing your ticket. Anything more than that would likely be illegal depending on the circumstances. 6-05-160[/u] Ticketing someone for excessive BO sounds like a great idea although I'm not sure how well that's gonna go over with the ACLU. I'm guessing not too well. 6-05-160[/u] Photography will be expressly allowed. That's very good to hear.
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Post by Mac on Dec 24, 2007 19:17:57 GMT -8
Codes of conduct on a bus or train, thats nice...... I would guess......
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Post by Transit Coalition on Dec 24, 2007 19:28:46 GMT -8
In November, we (TTC) met with Chief Ethics Officer Karen Gorman and commented on some of the Conduct Items.
Based upon Legal Decisions around the United States, we got her to delete that whole area dealing with photography.
It was so bad, that taking a photo of your b/f or g/f on a train with your cell phone could have meant a trip to a lock up. Some of you may know or have heard of a total "wack job" self proclaimed Transit Photographer who hangs around Metro with outdated credentials. The Code would have put him in jail for life.
I've also heard that Riverside has a photographic code that is totally illegal and is enforced at their 4 Metrolink Stations. Not Good.
I believe the revised Code goes back before the Metro Board in January or February 2008.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 24, 2007 19:29:11 GMT -8
Maybe I wasn't clear. Except for the one list of recommendations they are legally enforceable. You can be fined or removed from the system for violating the codes.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 24, 2007 19:33:53 GMT -8
Thanks for getting the photography code revised.
And I do know the king and I don't think that it's fair to call him names when he's not even allowed to post here.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 24, 2007 19:54:44 GMT -8
I think that I also indirectly heard about that. There was a local blogger that wrote about being told that she couldn't take pictures of her sister on the (IIRC) Riverside Metrolink platform even though they both had tickets. It's not just transit photography and it's a national problem. Too many people bizarrely associate photography with terrorism.
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Post by wad on Dec 26, 2007 2:24:16 GMT -8
[/u] Ticketing someone for excessive BO sounds like a great idea although I'm not sure how well that's gonna go over with the ACLU. I'm guessing not too well.[/quote] Body odor could be classified as a medical condition, therefore protected from discrimination against disabled passengers. This is a no-go. |
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Post by nickv on Dec 26, 2007 11:14:17 GMT -8
People have been asking me why I didn't take any pictures of my transit excursion from December. That's a reason why. And I'm no lawyer either. Before 9/11, I used to take pictures when I went on transit excursions. |
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 29, 2007 13:19:13 GMT -8
FYI. I took a metrolink trip yesterday. Riverside-IEOC-OC lines. I took pics from the downtown Riverside platform (among others) right in front of the security guard, and both the train engineer and conductor. No one said anything about the pics.
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Post by kenalpern on Dec 29, 2007 23:11:14 GMT -8
"Body odor could be classified as a medical condition, therefore protected from discrimination against disabled passengers.
This is a no-go. "
This really depends on how aggressively and selectively it's enforced. As a dermatologist who addresses this issue on an occasional basis, I can say with confidence that those who really have outrageous body odor problems are invariably those who don't wash for weeks on end...or maybe months on end.
Almost all body odor occurs from bacterial toxin buildup in the apocrine sweat glands that occur in the armpits and groin, although urinary/fecal odors can also play a role in those with outrageous poor hygiene.
Clearly, this regulation is aimed not so much at homeless individuals, but rather those homeless who make it unpleasant to be near under any circumstances, let alone a closed space such as a bus/rail car.
Frankly, I think this is sound policy, provided that it's not inappropriately or loosely enforced. While I do think it's not a crime to be homeless, I do think that an individual who makes it oppressive for others to share mass transit with him/her does need to be asked to leave for the benefit of the others sharing that bus/train with him/her.
Those others have rights, too...and it's times like this that maybe turnstiles or anything that does discourage mass transit for anything but transportation purposes is a good idea to encourage mass transit usage by a growing percentage of the population.
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Post by roadtrainer on Jan 1, 2008 12:27:52 GMT -8
Bluelineshawn wrote: And I do know the king and I don't think that it's fair to call him names when he's not even allowed to post here. ;D Wow! Elvis is alive and rides the Metro! Its to bad we don't let him on TTC web site. Just imagine new Elvis songs! Sincerely The Roadtrainer  |
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Post by bluelineshawn on Jan 27, 2009 21:21:32 GMT -8
Strange that we never heard of this again. I never saw any record of this being implemented. Nor anything about the new Metro court.
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