snuffy
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Post by snuffy on Dec 13, 2007 20:20:53 GMT -8
Does anyone know MTA runs Gold Line with three car consist for the Rose Parade? the last year, it looked like only two cars even 2000 people were waiting for the train after the parade.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 14, 2007 10:23:40 GMT -8
They're running them more frequently so they'll likely be all 2-car trains. Unless maybe they put out the new cars. That would be a nice surprise!
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Post by nicksantangelo on Dec 14, 2007 12:06:39 GMT -8
A couple of years ago I saw 3 trains running- all packed. Gold Line to the Rose Parade is such a no-brainer and a great way to get people unfamiliar with the system interested in light-rail. No idea what they will do this year, probably the same.
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Post by kingsfan on Dec 14, 2007 14:08:35 GMT -8
Wait till you see the line for the shuttle bus down to the Rose Bowl. It will be wrapped around the block, down the street, up the hill and an hour long wait. After all of these years the Pasadena Transit people still can't seem to get enough busses and it will be quicker to walk.
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Post by whitmanlam on Dec 14, 2007 22:59:48 GMT -8
I haven't been to the Rosebowl in a while ... do they still make people walk to the Parson's parking lot for the shuttle bus... that's a long walk.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 15, 2007 11:47:47 GMT -8
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Post by snuffy on Dec 22, 2007 12:55:51 GMT -8
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Post by rubbertoe on Dec 29, 2010 9:28:39 GMT -8
Yesterday (12-28-10) I happened to get caught right in front of the crossing gates on California on the way to work. They were running 3 car trains in both directions, and I saw two of them go by while I was stopped. Still pretty unusual to see 3 car trains, maybe they were getting ready for the New Years crowd? I'm not aware of anything going on that would require beefing up the trains that early though...
RT
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Post by trackman on Dec 29, 2010 10:01:24 GMT -8
Yes, I was at union station and thought I saw a longer train too. Perhaps more people are riding right now as they might be on vacation or visiting from Wisconsin and Texas?
The Source says "Extra Rail Capacity" will be provided for new years day to Pasadena. They can do that by longer trains or more trains, or both. Whatever it is, and I was just speaking about this with a fellow passenger the other day, Metro has a good reputation IMO, and in that vein, I would come to expect that they will do what is necessary and within their abilities to serve all the expected visitors.
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Post by James Fujita on Dec 29, 2010 13:41:32 GMT -8
Yeah, I imagine that there will be a lot of Badgers and Frogs on the trains this weekend.
Just another reminder that we can't forget stuff such as stadiums and other tourist attractions in our construction plans....
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Post by trackman on Dec 29, 2010 17:51:52 GMT -8
Yeah, I imagine that there will be a lot of Badgers and Frogs on the trains this weekend. Just another reminder that we can't forget stuff such as stadiums and other tourist attractions in our construction plans.... Well, within limits. Daily commute ridership is the bread and butter of a system. I can't image a rail line running to the Rose Bowl because they have 6-7 events a years. Dodger Stadium is another. If a system is not overly burdened by a kink in a proposed alignment, with nominal impact to ridership, it probably makes sense. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Dec 29, 2010 18:01:32 GMT -8
Yes, the Rose Bowl certainly doesn't deserve a stop. The Hollywood Bowl was studied for a Red Line stop but dropped for the reason that you just stated.
Now, Dodger Stadium might be a special case. There are 82 games a year. If you could run a single track spur off a normal line and use it only during games, then it might make sense. That way the normal line isn't impacted except during game times, which generally don't exactly coincide with rush hours, but still have the capacity of light rail to help get people to/from the stadium.
The problem there is the Dodger owners would never do this because they get so much parking revenue. And they would need to be the ones paying for it, since it serves their interest.
Kind of makes me think that if that group wants to build the football stadium next to Staples, that maybe part of the negotiation with the city is that they need to pony up some $$$ to help get the Pico station upgraded/expanded. Just a thought.
RT
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Post by bzcat on Dec 30, 2010 16:02:49 GMT -8
Wait till you see the line for the shuttle bus down to the Rose Bowl. It will be wrapped around the block, down the street, up the hill and an hour long wait. After all of these years the Pasadena Transit people still can't seem to get enough busses and it will be quicker to walk. It's not Pasadena Transit that is responsible for Rose Bowl shuttle. The Rose Bowl itself is responsible and they almost always under estimate the demand and hire too few buses from Foothill Transit. The Rose Bowl shuttle should be a continuous line of buses. The buses should be waiting for people, not the other way around. Unfortunately, all the years I have been to the Rose Bowl, I have never seen it run correctly. They queue people up to wait for the bus rather than queue up the buses to wait for people. |
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Post by bobdavis on Dec 30, 2010 18:11:08 GMT -8
I was in South Pasadena today and the two Gold Line trains I saw were 2-cars. One of them was Breda 741--has Metro received all of the Bredas, or are there still a few to go?
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Post by Transit Coalition on Dec 31, 2010 19:30:25 GMT -8
Yes, I was at union station and thought I saw a longer train too. Perhaps more people are riding right now as they might be on vacation or visiting from Wisconsin and Texas? The Source says "Extra Rail Capacity" will be provided for new years day to Pasadena. They can do that by longer trains or more trains, or both. Whatever it is, and I was just speaking about this with a fellow passenger the other day, Metro has a good reputation IMO, and in that vein, I would come to expect that they will do what is necessary and within their abilities to serve all the expected visitors. Maximum Frequency: 7.5 minutes. Maximum Train Length: 3 cars. The overnight frequency is 20 minutes. |
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Post by jamesinclair on Dec 31, 2010 19:58:13 GMT -8
Why is 7.5 the maximum frequency? That's dreadful.
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Post by James Fujita on Jan 1, 2011 13:19:03 GMT -8
Yes, the Rose Bowl certainly doesn't deserve a stop. The Hollywood Bowl was studied for a Red Line stop but dropped for the reason that you just stated. Now, Dodger Stadium might be a special case. There are 82 games a year. If you could run a single track spur off a normal line and use it only during games, then it might make sense. That way the normal line isn't impacted except during game times, which generally don't exactly coincide with rush hours, but still have the capacity of light rail to help get people to/from the stadium. The problem there is the Dodger owners would never do this because they get so much parking revenue. And they would need to be the ones paying for it, since it serves their interest. Kind of makes me think that if that group wants to build the football stadium next to Staples, that maybe part of the negotiation with the city is that they need to pony up some $$$ to help get the Pico station upgraded/expanded. Just a thought. RT Well, given the choice between serving the Rose Bowl directly (which would be difficult) and extending the Gold Line east towards Azusa, I'd pick Azusa. However, given the number of home games, Dodger Stadium would certainly be worthy of a spur. If we were to build a line towards Glendale, or west up Sunset Boulevard, I would try to negotiate with the Dodgers to see what their terms would be (if their recent acquisitions are any indication, they don't play hardball ;D ). And to be honest, unlike some people, I'm not opposed to government investing in private development, as long as it is in the best interests of the city/ county. The convention center needed L.A. Live to draw more business. Cal HSR will need those public/ private partnerships at the train stations and during construction. And thousands of Dodger fans will be riding those special trains to Dodger Stadium. The same would go for a downtown NFL stadium. The Los Angeles Vikings, or whoever, would certainly benefit from an expanded Pico Station. A pedestrian bridge from the Flower/ Pico platform to the convention center maybe.... hmmmm... EDIT: still looking for the example I want... this is the train station, but it looks like a bridge... |
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Post by bobdavis on Jan 7, 2014 23:04:49 GMT -8
Yesterday (Jan 6, 2014) was the last "BCS" football championship, featuring Florida State and Auburn in the Rose Bowl. I was in LA for jury duty and arrived at the Gold Line Union Station platform around 4:40. Metro had plenty of customer service personnel and Sheriff's deputies there, presumably to assist all the out-of-towners to whom TAP was something from which beer pours, a type of tool or a style of dance.
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