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Post by Gokhan on Dec 1, 2011 17:33:22 GMT -8
Childish overreaction to minor criticism! Do you honestly expect 100% of the people to agree with you 100% of the time on a discussion board? If you find such a board, let us know and we'll join it together. LOL The point Ï was trying to make is this "Why fry the other guy because you disagree with them?" How about less stinging statements and a simple Ï don't believe that!? "Tone it down, some! I wasn't talking about you. No one made any stinging statements to expolinefan and people told him exactly that.
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Post by Guest on Dec 1, 2011 17:58:00 GMT -8
Gokhan and LAofAnaheim Are Just Being Dick's
I Have been right on with over 90% of my info as it came Right from metro staff so the timing was a Little off
the Start of Operator training 100%
The Hand Over 100%
Wording of info about the ROW Pico to Santa Monica ok 60%
they are Just Pissed i have contacts with the crews and they don't??
But if you 2 Jerks Wish to make the Others Suffer due to your Actions then O-Well
This will be a Short return and the rest will have you two to thank for there Actions thay are far from perfict as i am far from perfict
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 1, 2011 18:16:09 GMT -8
Gokhan and LAofAnaheim Are Just Being Dick's I Have been right on with over 90% of my info as it came Right from metro staff so the timing was a Little off the Start of Operator training 100% The Hand Over 100% Wording of info about the ROW Pico to Santa Monica ok 60% they are Just Pissed i have contacts with the crews and they don't?? But if you 2 Jerks Wish to make the Others Suffer due to Actions then O-Well this will be a Short return and the rest will have you two to thank these two for there Action that are far from perfict as i am far from perfict Wow, a dick? Do you remember the time back in September where you private messaged some of us (I'm sure I wasn't the only one) where you said a big message was going to be made by Expo? Did anything happen? Nope. Do you remember when Damien came on the Transit Coaltion board and called you out for being a crazy person and wanting to sue for use of photos? There's been a lot of back and forth on this message board, and yes, emotions will sometimes run high, but in the end, we all appreciate what each others contribute. I do like the photos and videos you post. But if I make a comment saying "I trust the Source over any other reports of information", don't call me a dick about it. I think I had support from others here when we say The Source is where the information is most trusted.....so why aren't they dicks too? Or you want to single me and Gokhan out? I don't know if you've participated in message boards before, or this is your first one, but we'll all have personal opinions. Remember the subway debate? I didn't get involved, b/c I had no opinion, but others felt strongly. Did each person feel like a dick to each other in that case? Let's say this expolinefan, if Expo starts pre-revenue operations on Sunday, I'll publicly say on this message board "I'm sorry Dwight, you were correct". But, if it doesn't start Sunday.......................what will you do?
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Post by jamesinclair on Dec 1, 2011 18:37:47 GMT -8
Santa Monica continues to micromanage Phase 2. Additional entrance at 17th St was opposed by Metro, saying that it will require stopping the trains and will slow the line. Additional entrances both at 26th and 17th require new CPUC approval. As I have always said, micromanaging and involving too many parties always results in an inferior line. The split platforms at 26th will also make the access there inferior, as the passengers cannot walk from one platform to the next separated by the rail and they need to figure out which platform they should be on. Completely disagree. Metro has shown that they have no understanding of proper pedestrian design. One entrance per station is extremely stupid in almost every case (the exception being when the station is at the trench exit). Im glad someone at SM has a lick of sense.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 1, 2011 19:45:18 GMT -8
At the Expo board meeting today, there was a very disturbing development. A long time opponent of the line, Clint Simmons, has persuaded Herb Wesson to have very tall privacy walls built along the alignment. Such walls will be built along the entire alignment (for equality) if funds are found. This would be a nightmare for the Expo Line, completely ruining the light-rail experience. We're talking about 15-ft-high walls. Note that if these walls are built for Phase 1, they will also be built for Phase 2. Therefore, even if you're only concerned about Phase 2, please still write to the Expo board. You can listen to the discussion about this toward the very end (starting near 34:25) of the following audio of the board meeting from today: Expo board meeting audio 2011/12/01Here are the e-mail addresses of the Expo board members: zev@bos.lacounty.gov pam.oconnor@smgov.net Jan.Perry@lacity.org seconddistrict@bos.lacounty.gov councilmember.wesson@lacity.org councilmember.parks@lacity.org micheal.oleary@culvercity.org leahya@metro.net Expo staff: RThorpe@exporail.net gcollins@exporail.net eolson@exporail.net SBricker@exporail.net This is what I wrote: I am writing this letter to express my serious concerns over the suggested Expo Line privacy walls between La Brea - Dunsmuir and possibly along the entire alignment, over concerns of a single individual living in that area. These walls have not been studied in the environmental-impact report and statement. If they are built, they will have significant environmental impact by changing the neighborhood aesthetics extremely negatively in a permanent manner. One of the primary advantages of light-rail transit is that it blends very well with the natural environment. Building such tall walls would ruin the integration of light-rail into the environment and lead to a huge visual blight. It would also make the experience for the more than 100,000 riders significantly less pleasant. Cars run on the streets all day but they don't build privacy walls for cars. It's not only extremely unfair but also illegal to spend city, county, state, or federal funds on such an unneeded expensive structures. Therefore, please do not support the suggested Expo Line privacy walls.
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Post by darrell on Dec 2, 2011 0:29:48 GMT -8
On The Source’s cab video from La Cienega to La Brea last week you cannot see over the current sound wall, although I don’t know how high the camera was compared with a typical person’s seated or standing position. A couple of well-placed trees – maybe even the existing new trees grown taller – should solve Clint Simmons’ issue. Here's a photo (taken 8/4/11) of the ginkgo biloba trees east of Buckingham already a few feet above the 8-foot sound wall. I should compare the trees west of La Brea. This week Expo handed over Phase 1 to Metro, so if anything were to be done it would likely now become the Metro board’s jurisdiction. That and the need for a new environmental process should conclude this, but I'd still speak up against the visual blight of taller walls.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 2, 2011 9:05:44 GMT -8
Expo Line Phase 1 sound walls are 10-ft-high from the top of the rail everywhere along the alignment, not 8-ft-high. I find it very disturbing how hard Herb Wesson is pushing this and he said that "I want to get it done." These 15-plus-ft-high walls would really ruin the looks of the line.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 2, 2011 9:25:08 GMT -8
This is really serious. We're quite likely to end up with 16-ft-high sound/privacy walls for Phase 1 and Phase 2 now, which will completely ruin the line. Please write to the board members and staff.
Expo board members:
zev@bos.lacounty.gov pam.oconnor@smgov.net Jan.Perry@lacity.org seconddistrict@bos.lacounty.gov councilmember.wesson@lacity.org councilmember.parks@lacity.org micheal.oleary@culvercity.org leahya@metro.net
Expo staff:
RThorpe@exporail.net gcollins@exporail.net eolson@exporail.net SBricker@exporail.net
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Post by darrell on Dec 2, 2011 10:56:42 GMT -8
Gokhan and LAofAnaheim Are Just Being Dick's I Have been right on with over 90% of my info as it came Right from metro staff so the timing was a Little off the Start of Operator training 100% The Hand Over 100% Wording of info about the ROW Pico to Santa Monica ok 60% they are Just Pissed i have contacts with the crews and they don't?? But if you 2 Jerks Wish to make the Others Suffer due to your Actions then O-Well This will be a Short return and the rest will have you two to thank for there Actions thay are far from perfict as i am far from perfict I'm disappointed you chose to leave this board, especially in deleting your content that was part of the historical record of the project here. Your maps of Phase 2 right-of-way clearing were particularly useful. Yes, people can be overly prickly on discussion boards (although what's happened lately is nothing compared with a couple of years ago), but most of us try to let it go and focus on progress on the project.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 2, 2011 12:31:34 GMT -8
Well, there hasn't been an official news release posted on the Metro Web site about an Expo Line prerevenue operation commencing. The news release would have to be posted by Friday for the prerevenue operation to begin on Sunday.
This means that, now, the earliest the prerevenue operation can begin is December 11 and the earliest the line can open is January 22.
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Post by macross287 on Dec 2, 2011 15:18:45 GMT -8
Well metro beefed up testing on the line to 12 minutes between 23rd st and La Cienega to simulate mid-day frequencies, still not pre-revenue service though. thesource.metro.net/2011/12/02/train-testing-on-expo-line-to-expand-on-sunday/One line in particular gave me the impression that pre-revenue operations will not start till earliest January "As TESTING accelerates in the coming WEEKS, the public will notice more and more trains operating along the line including testing of trains at night and along the portion of the line that shares tracks with the Metro Blue Line, serving the Pico Station and the 7th Street/Metro Center Station in downtown Los Angeles."
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Post by darrell on Dec 2, 2011 15:24:51 GMT -8
Well metro beefed up testing on the line to 12 minutes between 23rd st and La Cienega to simulate mid-day frequencies, still not pre-revenue service though. thesource.metro.net/2011/12/02/train-testing-on-expo-line-to-expand-on-sunday/One line in particular gave me the impression that pre-revenue operations will not start till earliest January "As TESTING accelerates in the coming WEEKS, the public will notice more and more trains operating along the line including testing of trains at night and along the portion of the line that shares tracks with the Metro Blue Line, serving the Pico Station and the 7th Street/Metro Center Station in downtown Los Angeles." What are you seeing on the ground? Are they doing close to 12-minute headways all day now, or something else?
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Post by macross287 on Dec 2, 2011 15:46:09 GMT -8
I honestly don't know whats going on the ground right now. I was simply posting what was posted on the source. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
But this increase in test frequencies on Sunday should make for great video footage of the line in operation.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 2, 2011 17:14:18 GMT -8
I'm disappointed you chose to leave this board, especially in deleting your content that was part of the historical record of the project here. Your maps of Phase 2 right-of-way clearing were particularly useful. Woah! He deleted all[/i] of his posts?!? That kid has some issues. He's trying to punish all of us because a couple of people questioned him and/or disagreed with him.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 2, 2011 17:16:10 GMT -8
It sounds like they are still doing Stage 2 (systems-integration) testing. I was right that handing over the line to Metro doesn't mean the end of Stage 2 testing.
They haven't done any systems-integration testing (Stage 2 testing) of the 7th/Metro Station and the Expo/Blue junction yet, and it would be rather bizarre if they jumped to Stage 3 testing (prerevenue operation) on Sunday.
I personally don't expect prerevenue operation until the first week of January, which would put the opening to mid-February or later. It's strange that they can't accelerate the Culver City Station a little more so that they can open the entire line in March. But, unless they start testing the Culver City Station now and hurry up with finishing the construction there, that won't happen.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 2, 2011 17:22:45 GMT -8
It sounds like they are still doing Stage 2 (systems-integration) testing. I was right that handing over the line to Metro doesn't mean the end of Stage 2 testing. They haven't done any system-integration testing (Stage 2 testing) of the 7th/Metro Station and the Expo/Blue junction yet, and it would be rather bizarre if they jumped to Stage 3 testing (prerevenue operation) on Sunday. I personally don't expect prerevenue operation until the first week of January, which would put the opening to mid-February or later. It's strange that they can't accelerate the Culver City Station a little more so that they can open the entire line in March. But, unless they start testing the Culver City Station now and hurry up with finishing the construction there, that won't happen. Gokhan makes sense. So, was I a d*ck to say I trust the Source more than expolinefan, which proved that pre-revenue service is not starting Sunday? All I said earlier was that I trust the Source for valued information, they will let us know the date of pre-revenue operation. Apparently, that statement upset him. We'll always have back-and-forth on the board, but let's not make things personal. I've disagreed and agreed w/ all of you one time or another, but just let it go and don't take things personal. Funny........I do follow @expolinefan on Twitter though because I get excited to see his videos posted.
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Post by Alexis Kasperavičius on Dec 2, 2011 18:49:42 GMT -8
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Post by jdrcrasher on Dec 2, 2011 20:12:37 GMT -8
Expolinefan... it ain't worth it getting worked up over something little like this. Unless someone actually makes fun of you and calls you names (like people have done with me on other boards/forums), you shouldn't feel offended.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 2, 2011 21:12:44 GMT -8
Is this true? The guy created his OWN forum? Hahahahahaha
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Post by Alexis Kasperavičius on Dec 3, 2011 8:52:03 GMT -8
Rare video from a hy railer on the Expo line...
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Post by bluelineshawn on Dec 3, 2011 11:39:09 GMT -8
My account is waiting for his approval.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 3, 2011 12:10:30 GMT -8
So much about the news release yesterday that more frequent train testing (but not the prerevenue operation) will start tomorrow -- as I said they aren't quite to the point to be almost ready to start the prerevenue operation yet and there is a lot of Stage 2 (systems-integration) testing and fixes that needs to be done. Even an official Metro news release doesn't mean that much given all the complexity of light-rail testing, and things can change on the following day:
Expo Line testing has been stopped west of La Brea. The signal system has suddenly started to slow down the cars from 55 mph to 10 mph. This causes flat wheels on the units. Four units were affected and sidelined.
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Post by jamesinclair on Dec 3, 2011 13:07:42 GMT -8
Are kindergarteners building the line?
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 3, 2011 13:19:22 GMT -8
My account is waiting for his approval. I wonder if he'll let me or Gokhan join.
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Post by carter on Dec 3, 2011 15:28:50 GMT -8
So much about the news release yesterday that more frequent train testing (but not the prerevenue operation) will start tomorrow -- as I said they aren't quite to the point to be almost ready to start the prerevenue operation yet and there is a lot of Stage 2 (systems-integration) testing and fixes that needs to be done. Even an official Metro news release doesn't mean that much given all the complexity of light-rail testing, and things can change on the following day: Expo Line testing has been stopped west of La Brea. The signal system has suddenly started to slow down the cars from 55 mph to 10 mph. This causes flat wheels on the units. Four units were affected and sidelined.What are flat wheels?
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 3, 2011 16:01:15 GMT -8
So much about the news release yesterday that more frequent train testing (but not the prerevenue operation) will start tomorrow -- as I said they aren't quite to the point to be almost ready to start the prerevenue operation yet and there is a lot of Stage 2 (systems-integration) testing and fixes that needs to be done. Even an official Metro news release doesn't mean that much given all the complexity of light-rail testing, and things can change on the following day: Expo Line testing has been stopped west of La Brea. The signal system has suddenly started to slow down the cars from 55 mph to 10 mph. This causes flat wheels on the units. Four units were affected and sidelined.What are flat wheels? Basically there is a fault in the system that is unnecessarily applying the emergency brakes while going 55 mph. The result is flat spots on the wheels, as the wheels slide on the rails instead of rolling. They need to be remachined or, if the damage is extensive, replaced. See the Wikipedia article on railroad-wheel flat spot. Of course, if this happened with the passengers on board, it would result in several injuries.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 3, 2011 16:34:27 GMT -8
Basically there is a fault in the system that is unnecessarily applying the emergency brakes while going 55 mph. The result is flat spots on the wheels, as the wheels slide on the rails instead of rolling. They need to be remachined or, if the damage is extensive, replaced. See the Wikipedia article on railroad-wheel flat spot. Of course, if this happened with the passengers on board, it would result in several injuries. Update: This happened on Thursday or earlier and it's not clear if the problem has been solved. One needs to check if the trains are running west of La Brea.
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Post by darrell on Dec 3, 2011 17:11:42 GMT -8
Here's a view early afternoon today of the south side of the Expo sound wall, looking east toward La Brea. There's quite a bit of separation from the first row of houses between the landscaping and street. But the ginkgo biloba trees are spaced too far - plus losing their leaves for winter - so they alone don't make enough of a visual screen. How about a row of denser evergreen trees? Expo Line Phase 1 sound walls are 10-ft-high from the top of the rail everywhere along the alignment, not 8-ft-high. I find it very disturbing how hard Herb Wesson is pushing this and he said that "I want to get it done." These 15-plus-ft-high walls would really ruin the looks of the line. I also measured the sound wall panels; they're 8 feet wide and 8 feet from dirt to top (including the small base piece plus the patterned main panel). Fifteen feet would be huge! Another piece of news is the remaining half of Jefferson Blvd. east of La Cienega and of Exposition Blvd. from Crenshaw to Arlington has been resurfaced. Remember, Expo only did the half nearer the tracks. Photo below is looking west from Arlington. And no trains were running.
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Post by Gokhan on Dec 3, 2011 20:06:10 GMT -8
They had left out the section between Expo/Rodeo and Arlington. Is this done now? Today they were also going to pave the section around Washington/National.
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Post by joshuanickel on Dec 3, 2011 20:16:29 GMT -8
Here's a view early afternoon today of the south side of the Expo sound wall, looking east toward La Brea. There's quite a bit of separation from the first row of houses between the landscaping and street. But the ginkgo biloba trees are spaced too far - plus losing their leaves for winter - so they alone don't make enough of a visual screen. How about a row of denser evergreen trees? Expo Line Phase 1 sound walls are 10-ft-high from the top of the rail everywhere along the alignment, not 8-ft-high. I find it very disturbing how hard Herb Wesson is pushing this and he said that "I want to get it done." These 15-plus-ft-high walls would really ruin the looks of the line. I also measured the sound wall panels; they're 8 feet wide and 8 feet from dirt to top (including the small base piece plus the patterned main panel). Fifteen feet would be huge! Another piece of news is the remaining half of Jefferson Blvd. east of La Cienega and of Exposition Blvd. from Crenshaw to Arlington has been resurfaced. Remember, Expo only did the half nearer the tracks. Photo below is looking west from Arlington. And no trains were running. Too bad expo and la did not coordinate so that we could of avoided the ugly looking seem in the middle that would not of been there had the whole street been done at once.
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