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Post by Gokhan on Apr 18, 2011 14:28:41 GMT -8
^ I wonder if what you heard was the actual PA recording, or just a live person speaking for the benefit of the press. A live speaker wouldn't have been surprising, but it was definitely a recording. The identical message played 3 or 4 times as it was pulling up. I think all the electronic systems are up and running at the stations. They would need to update the recordings, displays, etc. though. |
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Post by carter on Oct 26, 2011 22:01:02 GMT -8
The proposal to change the Expo Phase 1 terminus to "Culver City" from "Venice/Robertson" is back on the board's agenda tomorrow.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 27, 2011 8:28:47 GMT -8
The proposal to change the Expo Phase 1 terminus to "Culver City" from "Venice/Robertson" is back on the board's agenda tomorrow. I thought this was already decided. But perhaps there is still time to write to the board members and ask that the name is changed to Culver Junction.  |
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Post by metrocenter on Oct 27, 2011 9:20:56 GMT -8
The name change from "Venice/Robertson" to "Culver City" had only been done informally. The proposal tomorrow is to officially change several existing station names, including this one. The agenda item is here. This agenda item, if approved, would also change the following: - "Willowbrook/Rosa Parks" (currently "Imperial/Wilmington/Rosa Parks")
- "103rd St/Watts Towers/Kenneth Hahn" (currently "103rd St/Kenneth Hahn")
- "Vermont Av/Athens" (currently "Vermont Av/I-105")
- "Hawthorne Bl/Lennox" (currently "Hawthorne Bl/I-105")
- "Harbor Gateway Transit Center" (currently "Artesia Transit Center").
Memorial names ("Rosa Parks", "Kenneth Hahn") would be excluded on some signage/documents. Thus, the Green and Blue Lines will intersect at "Willowbrook" (named after the neighborhood in which it resides). Other names are likely to change as well. "Long Beach Transit Mall" may change, but the City of Long Beach is still considering the best name. Other minor changes, for the sake of clarity, will be done without board approval: this includes changing "Anaheim" to "Anaheim St". |
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Oct 27, 2011 9:52:48 GMT -8
The name change from "Venice/Robertson" to "Culver City" had only been done informally. The proposal tomorrow is to officially change several existing station names, including this one. The agenda item is here. This agenda item, if approved, would also change the following: - "Willowbrook/Rosa Parks" (currently "Imperial/Wilmington/Rosa Parks")
- "103rd St/Watts Towers/Kenneth Hahn" (currently "103rd St/Kenneth Hahn")
- "Vermont Av/Athens" (currently "Vermont Av/I-105")
- "Hawthorne Bl/Lennox" (currently "Hawthorne Bl/I-105")
- "Harbor Gateway Transit Center" (currently "Artesia Transit Center").
Memorial names ("Rosa Parks", "Kenneth Hahn") would be excluded on some signage/documents. Thus, the Green and Blue Lines will intersect at "Willowbrook" (named after the neighborhood in which it resides). Other names are likely to change as well. "Long Beach Transit Mall" may change, but the City of Long Beach is still considering the best name. Other minor changes, for the sake of clarity, will be done without board approval: this includes changing "Anaheim" to "Anaheim St". I would include that Redondo Beach Station also provides some confusion, especially to tourists. I actually ran across a few tourists at Aviation station who wanted to spend a few hours at the beach before their connecting flight to Asia (flew in from Chicago earlier in the day). They were looking at the map and saw Redondo Beach was only a few stops away. Unfortunately, I had to break the news that Redondo Beach station is not walking distance to any beach and a bus transfer or taxi ride (if taxis are there) to get to the beach. I recommended they visit Long Beach Transit Mall station instead. I hope Metro staff changes "Redondo Beach" station to "Redondo Beach Ave" station. |
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Post by K 22 on Oct 27, 2011 12:29:49 GMT -8
I like "Culver Junction" myself.
Besides, I like to think of it as the junction (almost) of five boulevards: Expo, Venice, Robertson, Washington and National.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 12, 2012 12:12:07 GMT -8
Some ladies were discussing the Culver City Station on the Expo Line today, after they boarded the train at that station. One of them was asking how come the station is named "Culver City" but it's not actually in Culver City. The other lady explained to her that currently the station is in an awkward location because the line is not finished yet. She then told her that when they extend the bridge, it will actually go to Culver City. LOL
I think Metro needs to name these stations more accurately instead of using misleading and false marketing. Sure, technically the station is within the Culver City borders by a mere 50 ft, but the name "Culver Junction" would be not only 100% accurate and more appropriate but it would also help the area around the station be developed as a new TOD area, with a definitive name.
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Post by ieko on Jul 12, 2012 14:38:53 GMT -8
I don't see how Culvet Junction is any more useful.
The most useful would be a street name, I.e. Venice/Robertson
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Post by masonite on Jul 12, 2012 14:47:27 GMT -8
I don't see how Culvet Junction is any more useful. The most useful would be a street name, I.e. Venice/Robertson I am personally fine with Culver City, but when it comes to station names everyone has a strong opinion that are often different. You can walk to Downtown CC, the Hayden Tract and Helms Bakery Complex from the station, which are all major central Culver City attractions and the station itself is in Culver City, but to each their own. |
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Jul 12, 2012 14:59:30 GMT -8
I don't see how Culvet Junction is any more useful. The most useful would be a street name, I.e. Venice/Robertson When you tell somebody you are traveling to "Union Station, Pershing Square, Little Tokyo/Arts District, Culver City, Mariachi Plaza, Watts Towers, Universal City, etc.." those sound like destinations; that the rail is taking you to important places in LA. But when you say "Venice/Robertson, Wilshire/Vermont, Vermont/Beverly, etc..." those sound like street intersections; then the subway is for road users and not pedestrians. In the UK, Paris, etc..I can barely tell you the street corners of "Leicster Square, Picaddily Circus, Blackfriars, etc..." but I know those are important destinations. As a tourist or someone who barely uses the system, imagine if you are told, go to "Kings Rd/1st street" to get to Picaddily Circus. What is easier to remember? Picaddily Circus station or Kings Rd/1st Street? |
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Post by Alexis Kasperavičius on Jul 12, 2012 15:14:49 GMT -8
Well since it's no longer a junction, you could call it it's original name: Ivy.
Ivy substation is still standing and is now a theatre. A nice link to the past as well.
My 2 cents.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 12, 2012 16:09:51 GMT -8
I think Ivy was the really old name for that junction. For most of history, it was known as Culver Junction, and the neighborhood is still called Culver Junction. Not all junctions got forgotten. The name Sunset Junction is still highly popular and people who live there proudly say that they live in the Sunset Junction. Also, every year there is a huge " Sunset Junction Street Fair" taking place, with many popular bands attending.    |
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Post by James Fujita on Jul 12, 2012 18:30:07 GMT -8
I think the key is to use a name that is currently in use, especially by locals, rather than just dredge up a historic name that is no longer recognized.
Little Tokyo is very much still in use, other names such as "Bronzeville" are not. If people use Culver Junction, it should be used.
At the same time, the name should be accurate. The Green Line goes to "Redondo Beach" but that station just barely touches Redondo Beach. The problem there is really worse than the Culver City problem, because I wouldn't consider the Green Line as going to Redondo in any useful sense until it at least reaches the Galleria.
Street intersections may be useful, if people don't know the difference between the multiple possible Koreatown Purple Line stations on Wilshire, for example.
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Post by Elson on Jul 13, 2012 0:40:57 GMT -8
"Culver Junction" is confusing because it would imply the rail line forms a junction there, which it does not.
"Culver City" is fine, even though there's an apparent void of nothingness between the station and downtown Culver City. In a decade, that concern won't exist anymore. Remember the void of nothingness surrounding the Wilshire/Vermont station?
What's funny though is that some train operators call the station "Robertson."
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Post by wad on Jul 13, 2012 2:56:58 GMT -8
Remember the void of nothingness surrounding the Wilshire/Vermont station? It's now across the street on the southeast corner.  |
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Post by bzcat on Jul 13, 2012 9:55:02 GMT -8
No one calls that area Culver Junction other than railroad buffs. The closest name that people would recognize would be Helms Bakery District but that's too specific and local. Culver City is fine just as is.
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Post by Gokhan on Jul 13, 2012 10:10:52 GMT -8
No one calls that area Culver Junction other than railroad buffs. The closest name that people would recognize would be Helms Bakery District but that's too specific and local. Culver City is fine just as is. Not true. The locals in that area are familiar with that name. I first saw the name Culver Junction in a store flyer referring to the Albertsons shopping-mall area as the Culver Junction Shopping Mall, long before I got involved with rail. City-Data also lists Culver Junction with borders and various demographics: Culver Junction at City-Data |
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Post by Elson on Jul 13, 2012 11:06:13 GMT -8
Remember the void of nothingness surrounding the Wilshire/Vermont station? It's now across the street on the southeast corner. And even that's not lasting long... |
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Post by Elson on Jul 13, 2012 11:15:45 GMT -8
No one calls that area Culver Junction other than railroad buffs. The closest name that people would recognize would be Helms Bakery District but that's too specific and local. Culver City is fine just as is. Not true. The locals in that area are familiar with that name. I first saw the name Culver Junction in a store flyer referring to the Albertsons shopping-mall area as the Culver Junction Shopping Mall, long before I got involved with rail. City-Data also lists Culver Junction with borders and various demographics: Culver Junction at City-Data So would you Culver Junction fanboys front all the cost of new signage, new schedules and new maps printed up with the new name? Not to mention the cost of adding "Culver Junction" in the automated PA announcements? "Culver City" is fine. It's way more Culver City than the "Redondo Beach" station is Redondo Beach. I'm sure no one here can argue with that. |
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Jul 13, 2012 13:18:40 GMT -8
$300k to rename a station I've heard. Culver City is a better name than the robotic sounding Venice/Robertson. Now let's start kicking butts to rename National/Palms station to the more aerodynamic, "Palms."
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