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Post by bzcat on Oct 21, 2013 10:50:27 GMT -8
That's what I said... full trains from Norwalk to Imperial/Aviation. Empty trains from Imperial/Aviation to Redondo. Sorry, grew up riding both Blue and Green Lines to get to my Grandmothers house when I was younger after school. Imperial/Wilmington was always referred to as the "Imperial" station by daily riders. Aviation/LAX was called .....Aviation station. Any example of why calling every station "Imperial/xxxx" is really stupid...  |
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Post by mattapoisett on Oct 21, 2013 13:04:54 GMT -8
Sorry, grew up riding both Blue and Green Lines to get to my Grandmothers house when I was younger after school. Imperial/Wilmington was always referred to as the "Imperial" station by daily riders. Aviation/LAX was called .....Aviation station. Any example of why calling every station "Imperial/xxxx" is really stupid... And the Blue Line's Anaheim Station is a good example of why context is needed. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Nov 18, 2013 7:02:39 GMT -8
A bit behind, here are the September numbers:   And the links to the larger images: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined09-13OriginalLarge_zps5c620eee.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined09-13NewLarge_zps3332dfa4.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 202,363 which is up 1,207 YOY or 0.60%. Blue is down 3,501 YOY (-3.80%) to 88,619. Green is down 4,292 YOY (-9.25%) to 42,101. And Gold is up 2,387 YOY (5.69%) to 44,374. Expo is up 6,613 YOY (32.01%) to 27,269. The Gold Line has now surpassed the Green Line for 6 consecutive months. Now at 47 consecutive months of light rail ridership increases. Gas stands at $3.85, down from $4.16 a year ago. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway hit 370,202 which is an all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is up 8% YOY, Silver up 8% YOY, and Orange is unchanged YOY. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Nov 18, 2013 7:18:18 GMT -8
And October while we are at it:   And the link to the larger versions: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined10-13OriginalLarge_zpsc11338a0.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined10-13NewLarge_zpse523a4c6.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 202,843 which is actually down 453 YOY or -0.22%. And yes, this means the increasing ridership streak has ended at 47 consecutive months, so now would be 47 of 48  Blue is down 4,858 YOY (-5.23%) to 88,095. Green is down 3,322 YOY (-7.14%) to 43,222. And Gold is up 1,506 YOY (3.55%) to 43,923. Expo is up 6,221 YOY (29.90%) to 27,603 which is an all time high. The Gold Line has now surpassed the Green Line for 7 consecutive months. Now at 47 of 48 consecutive months of light rail ridership increases. Gas stands at $3.91, down from $4.17 a year ago. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway hit 372,321 which is another all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is up 8% YOY, Silver up 5% YOY, and Orange is down 1% YOY. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Jan 28, 2014 6:33:43 GMT -8
December ridership numbers are in:   And the link to the larger versions: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined12-13OriginalLarge_zpsdeac36d4.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined12-13NewLarge_zpse911e21b.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 197,670 which is down 5,556 YOY or -2.73%. Blue is down 6,938 YOY (-7.57%) to 84,771. Green is down 2,597 YOY (-5.64%) to 43,432. And Gold is down 188 YOY (-0.44%) to 42,107. Expo is up 4,167 YOY (17.97%) to 27,360. For the first time, the Expo ridership is lower than the previous month The Gold Line dips below the Green Line for the first time since March 2013. Gas stands at $3.61, down from $3.75 a year ago. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 363,196 which is off the all time high. We are now about 3 months into the ridership downtrend, despite what looks to be an improving economy. I wonder if part of this could be attributed to the lower gas prices? I would also point out that we are now in the winter months (despite the summer like weather), and last winter was the first in memory where there was no dip in ridership for the light rail lines. So most of the current small declines are probably the result of returning to a normal winter decline versus last years anomaly. RT P.S. The Red Line is up 4% YOY, Silver up 8% YOY, and Orange is down 1% YOY. |
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Post by outthere15 on Jan 28, 2014 18:13:04 GMT -8
Whatever happened to with the strange Red Line numbers that did not match the predicted numbers when they used the turnstiles to make up the count?
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 14, 2014 7:08:10 GMT -8
Missed January, but here are the February numbers. Also, the March numbers just came out last Friday too...   And the links to the larger graphs: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined02-14OriginalLarge_zps9b5395fa.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined02-14NewLarge_zps8dc9bebf.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 194,573 which is down 6,153 YOY or -3.07%. Blue is down 5,703 YOY (-6.48%) to 82,320. Green is down 1,840 YOY (-4.15%) to 42,477. And Gold is down 1,467 YOY (-3.40%) to 41,624. Expo is up 2,857 YOY (11.29%) to 28,152. Gas stands at $3.61, down from $3.97 a year ago. The gas trend is moving higher fast, and we may see that reflected in the April numbers later. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 352,659 which is about 20,000 off the all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is up <1% YOY, Silver up 10% YOY, and Orange is down 3% YOY. The Silver Line is one of the few bright spots. This is likely due to the ExpressLanes program and increased service levels. |
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Post by jdrcrasher on Apr 14, 2014 11:28:54 GMT -8
^ No kidding. Gas is going up like a rocket. I the place i like to fill up it's already 30 cents more expensive than two months ago.
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Post by rubbertoe on Apr 15, 2014 6:46:15 GMT -8
March numbers while they are still hot off the press...   And the links to the larger images: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined03-14OriginalLarge_zps4557f10c.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined03-14NewLarge_zpsbbbf8d37.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 194,799 which is down 6,302 YOY or -3.13%. Blue is down 4,559 YOY (-5.21%) to 82,862. Green is down 2,048 YOY (-4.64%) to 42,085. And Gold is down 2,174 YOY (-4.99%) to 41,390. Expo is up 2,479 YOY (9.54%) to 28,462, which is an all time high. Gas stands at $3.92, down from $4.31 a year ago. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 343,283 which is about 29,000 off the all time high. Thought I would take a look at the Blue, Green and Gold versus two years ago instead of the YOY numbers. This is because for some reason the numbers from last winter remained very high, could be the gas prices, who knows. In any case, here are the March 2014 raw numbers versus March 2012: Blue: 2012 = 84,952 and 2014 = 82,862 Green: 2012 = 44,025 and 2014 = 42,085 Gold: 2012 = 43,136 and 2014 = 41,390 Gas: 2012 = $4.37 and 2014 = $3.92 April 2014 gas is $4.07, first time above $4.00 in 8 months. We are even down from two years ago on all the lines. Maybe the high gas prices are what drove the recent ridership spike...  RT P.S. The Red Line is down 6% YOY, Silver up 13% YOY, and Orange is up 2% YOY. |
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Post by bobdavis on Apr 15, 2014 23:15:21 GMT -8
Just in the last two weeks, unleaded regular has gone up about 18 cents. The only place with a credit card price below $4.10 that I know of is Costco.
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Post by TransportationZ on May 6, 2014 13:23:53 GMT -8
It's because there's this myth that the cost of a car is purely based on gas. I also don't see the logic either. If I need to use a car, I don't think 20c per gallon would dissuade me.
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Post by bobdavis on May 6, 2014 18:03:27 GMT -8
Car payments (if any), maintenance, license and insurance are fairly infrequent--monthly or less often. Fuel prices are "in your face" every time you drive a major street.
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Post by culvercitylocke on May 7, 2014 11:36:16 GMT -8
People also often forget to calculate the value of their car as an asset if it's worth more than they owe. We've paid off our 1997 and 2006 cars and they have a combined KBB value of about $10,000. That plays into maintenance considerations (is it worth it to put 1000$ of maintenance into the 1997 car? for instance, we tend to not look at the 'cost of a car' but the value of the car. The mobility, flexibility and privacy are all factors in a car's favor as well, because they have such high value. And the cost of transit includes a lot of wasted time, if you want to go somewhere on a different street from where you started, you have to add in twenty minutes of transfer time, that twenty minutes is painful, and costly in terms of quality of life, that lost time has leisure value or labor value. And in general, a single street bus route takes three times longer than driving it in a car, so again, you have to discard down the toilet all the monetary value of the lost leisure and labor time taking transit costs you.
Sure there is an environmental upside, but that is a relatively tiny plus that doesn't begin to outweigh the negatives and personal costs of taking transit.
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Post by rubbertoe on Jul 2, 2014 6:48:42 GMT -8
A bit behind, but here are the April numbers:   And the larger images: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined04-14OriginalLarge_zps425a1cff.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined04-14NewLarge_zps690c14fe.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 197,175 which is down 1,803 YOY or -0.91%. Blue is down 2,109 YOY (-2.41%) to 85,283. Green is down 1,393 YOY (-3.82%) to 41,023. And Gold is down 2,193 YOY (-5.05%) to 41,246. Expo is up 3,892 YOY (15.13%) to 29,623, which is an all time high. Gas stands at $4.07, nearly steady from $4.08 a year ago. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 344,952 which is about 28,000 off the all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is down 6% YOY, Silver up 13% YOY, and Orange is down 3% YOY. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Jul 10, 2014 4:47:15 GMT -8
May numbers, since June will be out shortly:   And the links to the larger images: MTA 24 Month Light Rail RidershipMTA 13 Month Light Rail Ridership (with Expo)The combined light rail ridership stands at 198,433 which is up 718 YOY or 0.36%. This is the first YOY light rail ridership increase since September 2013. October 2013 ended the very long stretch of YOY increases. Hopefully this 7 month stretch of decreases is the last in a long time  Blue is down 245 YOY (-0.28%) to 86,065. Green is down 801 YOY (-1.93%) to 40,768. And Gold is down 1,977 YOY (-4.58%) to 41,196. Expo is up 3,741 YOY (14.03%) to 30,404, which is an all time high, hitting 30,000+ for the first time ever. Gas stands at $4.32, which is the highest level since March 2012. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 344,732 which is about 28,000 off the all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is down 7% YOY, Silver up 15% YOY, and Orange is down 4% YOY. |
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Post by rubbertoe on Oct 22, 2014 8:12:41 GMT -8
September 2014 graphs:   And the larger graph links: i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined09-14OriginalLarge_zps55b81ece.jpgi882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/RubberToe420/Combined09-14NewLarge_zps87bf5f85.jpgThe combined light rail ridership stands at 203,994 which is up 1,631 YOY or 0.81%. We are now at 5 months of YOY light rail ridership increases. October 2013 ended the very long stretch of YOY increases. Blue is down 2,415 YOY (-2.73%) to 86,204. Green is down 310 YOY (-0.74%) to 41,791. And Gold is down 225 YOY (-0.51%) to 44,149. Expo is up 4,581 YOY (16.80%) to 31,850, which is an all time high. Gas stands at $3.82, and has been trending down since the $4.32 back in May. Also note that September 2014 saw a fare increase. Combined rail ridership, including the 4 light rail lines and the subway stands at 357,337 which is about 15,000 off the all time high. RT P.S. The Red Line is down 9% YOY, Silver up 10% YOY, and Orange is down 5% YOY. |
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Post by culvercitylocke on Apr 14, 2016 14:04:25 GMT -8
Bump
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Post by matthewb on Apr 18, 2016 6:47:46 GMT -8
Yes, I miss these updates. It would be great to have these snapshots to understand ridership a bit even if the numbers aren't always going up. Thanks to rubbertoe for all the ridership summaries in the past. |
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Post by jamesinclair on Apr 25, 2016 6:38:00 GMT -8
I miss this thread!
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Post by masonite on May 9, 2016 16:10:55 GMT -8
April ridership figures are out and either Metro is really bad at estimating ridership or the Gold Line Extension is performing terribly. Less than 2300 more riders than in February, the last month when there was no extension. Expo down below 30k riders again to just over 29k. It seems as if the Gold Line Extension attracted a lot of the riders who were driving to Sierra Madre station as that garage is now only about a third full after being 100% full most days before the Extension.
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Post by bluelineshawn on Nov 21, 2018 18:14:48 GMT -8
October ridership is out and Expo has passed the blue line for the 12 month rolling average for the first time. 1.71MM expo riders for the month compared to 1.67MM blue line riders. Expo isn’t so much gaining as the blue line continues to fall. I think the blue line ridership is now less than it was 15 years ago.
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Post by bzzzt on Jan 15, 2019 22:00:22 GMT -8
December ridership stats show the Gold Line at a record 55K. And Expo dropped only slightly from last month's 63K, which was close to a record as well. Blue Line will be dropping as the upgrade and remodel starts later this month.
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Post by masonite on Jul 13, 2022 22:49:28 GMT -8
People used to post ridership stats here, which was great. Unfortunately, Metro Rail ridership has tumbled since those days. June 2022 just came out and the entire rail network weekday ridership fell again. Now it is just 160k. In 2012 we had more people than that just riding the Red Line. Wiggins came out last week saying her goal is to get ridership back up to pre-pandemic levels in a year, but that looks impossible. Once people give up on Metro they don't go back easily. With $6 gasoline, you would think there would be decent ridership, but the crime, drug, and general filth on Metro seem to have really taken a toll. Even long-time riders seem to have become exasperated. I guess I am one of them after the last two times on Expo I had to wait 40 minutes at night for a train and there were smoking and security issues.
Another fact to consider is that the Blue Line has only 1/3 of the riders it had 10-12 years ago. Even worse, back then there was no Expo to transfer to either and we spent hundreds of millions improving and speeding up the Blue Line since then. Just depressing, especially for those of us from the early days of MetroRail.
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Post by macross287 on Jul 14, 2022 8:01:48 GMT -8
Well to be somewhat optimistic and year over year numbers did go up. Thought not by a lot.
June
2018: 342K
2019: 281K
2021: 143K
2022: 160K
That aside the the safety and cleanliness is real problem. I saw someone at the Expo Sepulveda station during the daytime on a Saturday eating a salad and ending up just tossing his food all over the station platform.
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