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Post by John Ryan on Feb 4, 2014 15:28:05 GMT -8
A very impressive accomplishment no doubt, Delhi Metro is also not a very good comparison since Japan provided 60% of the cost in soft loans.
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Post by TransportationZ on Feb 4, 2014 21:56:17 GMT -8
I get it already, I'm wrong. Next time I won't say anything. I'd still argue that even in all those examples that they are still too slow.
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Post by bzcat on Feb 5, 2014 11:54:44 GMT -8
You are not wrong, it does take too long to build anything properly in a first world city. We are just providing context to show why Metro's estimates are not unreasonable (in fact, probably a little too optimistic).
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Post by skater on Mar 7, 2014 12:03:48 GMT -8
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Post by bobdavis on Mar 29, 2014 20:26:06 GMT -8
Today's LA Times had an article about how noisy and disruptive Purple Line activities are riling up the locals. I even had a friend in Sacramento mention that the Sacramento Bee covered it. The Times quoted Metro spokesman David Sotero: "Some community groups appear to be sending a mixed message: 'Yes we support the subway, but don't touch anything and don't inconvenience us in any way.'" Way back in the 1960s, right after the folks up north started the BART project, an editorial cartoon in the Times showed a St. Peter-like figure holding a pair of wings and a halo, offering them to a personified "Los Angeles". Up in the air nearby, a "San Francisco" figure, who has accepted the halo and wings, is flying around and looking quite pleased. The caption read: "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die."
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Post by masonite on Jul 7, 2014 14:51:55 GMT -8
If Skanska gets the contract as now recommended by Metro, they will have 4 of the 5 rail construction projects. Lets hope they can continue up the good work.
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Post by joshuanickel on Jul 7, 2014 18:16:09 GMT -8
If Skanska gets the contract as now recommended by Metro, they will have 4 of the 5 rail construction projects. Lets hope they can continue up the good work. Technically they would be the main contractor on 3 projects. On the gold line, the only thing they were involved with is the 210 bridge that was completed in 2012. The main contractor for the gold line is Kiewit: |
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Post by metrocenter on Jul 8, 2014 7:27:23 GMT -8
I am glad to see this is moving into the next phase. In two weeks, the Skanska contract will be approved, and they can start building the Wilshire Subway, right up to the Beverly Hills city limit.
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Post by masonite on Jul 8, 2014 9:52:32 GMT -8
I am glad to see this is moving into the next phase. In two weeks, the Skanska contract will be approved, and they can start building the Wilshire Subway, right up to the Beverly Hills city limit. Yes, although La Cienega is within Beverly Hills and they'll build in there. Also, there is usually a 4-6 month lag between awarding the contract and an official groundbreaking as they have to do a lot of design and prep work before starting any real construction. The Regional Connector has not had its groundbreaking yet. Of course, the groundbreaking is just a ceremony, but there is no major construction before that. |
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Post by metrocenter on Jul 9, 2014 12:14:36 GMT -8
Yes, although La Cienega is within Beverly Hills and they'll build in there. Also, there is usually a 4-6 month lag between awarding the contract and an official groundbreaking as they have to do a lot of design and prep work before starting any real construction. The Regional Connector has not had its groundbreaking yet. Of course, the groundbreaking is just a ceremony, but there is no major construction before that. Yes, I agree with all of that. Although for the Regional Connector, even before ground is officially broken, lots of "pre-official" activity is happening already (with utility relocation and ground preparation). |
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Post by bzcat on Jul 24, 2014 16:47:02 GMT -8
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jul 25, 2014 12:53:38 GMT -8
Talk about dodging a bullet! Dragados is the company that has had a broken tunnel machine for over a year, and expected to be out of comission for another year up in Seattle.
I can just imagine what would happen if Dragados got the contract, they get to the tar pits, sink the TBM into them, and then desclaim in shock that no one told them there were tar pits along the tunnel route!
thank goodness they went with Skansa.
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Post by simonla on Nov 7, 2014 10:50:54 GMT -8
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Post by gatewaygent on Nov 7, 2014 13:59:05 GMT -8
Wow, 2023 opening! If funds are secured to accelerate MOS #2, could they just keep tunneling continuously from MOS #1 through to MOS #2 in Century City? Or if not, would the TBM's just be turned off in place, somewhere after La Cienega and then restarted when MOS #2 were fully funded?
And what's this? The future expansion map fails to show East L.A.-Santa Monica as the new Gold Line and Long Beach-Pasadena-Azusa as the new Blue Line. I suspect it has something to do with the WSAB/PEROW now being routed to a station "under" the I-105 at Long Beach Bl. So fun dismantling the map, LOL!
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Post by Gokhan on Nov 7, 2014 15:42:42 GMT -8
"Two other phases that will push the line an additional five miles into Westwood are expected to be finished by 2035 at a cost of at least $6 billion, according to preliminary estimates."
2035? Are you kidding me?! Chinese would build a 50-mile subway in their densest cities in two years!
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Post by culvercitylocke on Nov 7, 2014 15:51:45 GMT -8
Wow, 2023 opening! If funds are secured to accelerate MOS #2, could they just keep tunneling continuously from MOS #1 through to MOS #2 in Century City? Or if not, would the TBM's just be turned off in place, somewhere after La Cienega and then restarted when MOS #2 were fully funded? And what's this? The future expansion map fails to show East L.A.-Santa Monica as the new Gold Line and Long Beach-Pasadena-Azusa as the new Blue Line. I suspect it has something to do with the WSAB/PEROW now being routed to a station "under" the I-105 at Long Beach Bl. So fun dismantling the map, LOL! Mos 1 is unlikely to.be finished thanks to Tuesdays election. |
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Post by masonite on Nov 7, 2014 16:13:36 GMT -8
Wow, 2023 opening! If funds are secured to accelerate MOS #2, could they just keep tunneling continuously from MOS #1 through to MOS #2 in Century City? Or if not, would the TBM's just be turned off in place, somewhere after La Cienega and then restarted when MOS #2 were fully funded? And what's this? The future expansion map fails to show East L.A.-Santa Monica as the new Gold Line and Long Beach-Pasadena-Azusa as the new Blue Line. I suspect it has something to do with the WSAB/PEROW now being routed to a station "under" the I-105 at Long Beach Bl. So fun dismantling the map, LOL! Mos 1 is unlikely to.be finished thanks to Tuesdays election. Where are you getting that? The project is now breaking ground and already has funding including federal funds in place. The House was already controlled by the GOP before Tuesday. |
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Nov 7, 2014 17:47:58 GMT -8
"Two other phases that will push the line an additional five miles into Westwood are expected to be finished by 2035 at a cost of at least $6 billion, according to preliminary estimates."2035? Are you kidding me?! Chinese would build a 50-mile subway in their densest cities in two years! From advanced utility relocation all the way opening day of service? Are you sure? Which line did actually do only 2 years. New York started 2nd Avenue subway in the mid 2000's with Advanced Utility and its opening is still a couple of years away....a near 10 years to go 2.5 miles... |
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Post by bzcat on Nov 10, 2014 12:51:23 GMT -8
MOS 1 opening date is pretty reasonable compare to other subway extensions around the world. You can't really build subways faster than that in most locations. China is kind of irrelevant in these discussions. All of China's subways are paid for directly by the central government and cost is no object in most of those projects. If the US Govt is willing to write the check for LA's subway construction, I'm sure it can be done in half the time with 24/7 construction and summary arrest and executions if anyone tries to complain about it.
The only way to speed up opening dates for MOS 2 and MOS 3 is to construct them simultaneously with MOS 1. We had our chance to do that with Measure J and we blew it with only 66.4% of voters agreeing it was a good idea. The Bus Riders Union probably killed Measure J with its dishonest campaigning... in retrospect, they probably just need to sway about 2,000 votes to kill Measure J and in my opinion, they probably did.
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Nov 11, 2014 15:13:23 GMT -8
Well, economically conservative United Kingdom did build [High Speed 1] a 67 mile long high speed (186mph) railway with large underground portions (some through hazardous chalk mountains) in around 10 years and did so at about $99 million per mile. Also in the UK, Crossrail, separate from the London Underground and London Overground, adds 26 miles of new tunnels to make a new 73 mile line with 40 stations is on schedule to open in 2018 after 9 years of construction. UK has similar conservative economic policy, privately held banks, favor for landowner rights, and a conservative led parliament and prime minister like the United States at various times and yet somehow it still builds transit projects competently and serve the public need for movement around its cities.
In any case, it seems strange to do so much work to get the Purple Line Extension to the Westside without scoping and promising to build to Santa Monica in the future as the Foothill Extension did with Phase 2B to Ontario Airport. If I had a guess why Santa Monica isn't included it would be because of money, but Foothill 2B is unfunded also...
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Post by culvercitylocke on Nov 1, 2015 18:04:49 GMT -8
K rail going in at LA Brea with pile installation to begin soon.
All the utility work has left the streets in horrific condition since they only do crap half assed repairs after or leave steel plates on the streets for 18 to 20 months. The decking can't get here soon enough!
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Post by culvercitylocke on Dec 20, 2015 23:28:29 GMT -8
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Jan 14, 2016 11:38:43 GMT -8
Will the future Wilshire/LaBrea station be built with a mezzanine transfer platform to the future Crenshaw Line to Hollywood? In my mind, hypothetically, it would look a lot like 7th St/Metro Center with its mezzanine-level dual platform light rail connection.
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Post by johanragle on Jan 14, 2016 18:27:11 GMT -8
Will the future Wilshire/LaBrea station be built with a mezzanine transfer platform to the future Crenshaw Line to Hollywood? In my mind, hypothetically, it would look a lot like 7th St/Metro Center with its mezzanine-level dual platform light rail connection. LaBrea is shorter, but that route misses most destinations including the Farmer's Market & The Grove. I'd lean toward Fairfax - IIRC that was the original planned routing of the Red Line anyway. |
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jan 14, 2016 20:29:18 GMT -8
Fairfax is mostly low density single family housing, while LA Brea is much more mixed and denser.
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Post by bzcat on Jan 15, 2016 12:41:06 GMT -8
None of the new purple line stations are designed to accommodate future addition N-S lines. Not La Brea, not Fairfax, not Westwood.
The design for Westwood could still change if Measure R3 passes and the Sepulveda line is officially sanctioned. It's too late for La Brea or Fairfax stations at this point to incorporate meaningful accommodation for Crenshaw line. When the Crenshaw line get there, we'll probably end up with separate unconnected stations (like Expo and Crenshaw).
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Post by joshuanickel on Jan 15, 2016 13:59:04 GMT -8
None of the new purple line stations are designed to accommodate future addition N-S lines. Not La Brea, not Fairfax, not Westwood. The design for Westwood could still change if Measure R3 passes and the Sepulveda line is officially sanctioned. It's too late for La Brea or Fairfax stations at this point to incorporate meaningful accommodation for Crenshaw line. When the Crenshaw line get there, we'll probably end up with separate unconnected stations (like Expo and Crenshaw). It may be possible that if the Crenshaw line is ever extended to Wilshire, they build the station next to and perpendicular to the purple line station (for future extension to Hollywood) and they just connect the two via a tunnel using the knockout panels that will be built in to the the station when it is done. |
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Jan 15, 2016 14:35:41 GMT -8
None of the new purple line stations are designed to accommodate future addition N-S lines. Not La Brea, not Fairfax, not Westwood. The design for Westwood could still change if Measure R3 passes and the Sepulveda line is officially sanctioned. It's too late for La Brea or Fairfax stations at this point to incorporate meaningful accommodation for Crenshaw line. When the Crenshaw line get there, we'll probably end up with separate unconnected stations (like Expo and Crenshaw). It may be possible that if the Crenshaw line is ever extended to Wilshire, they build the station next to and perpendicular to the purple line station (for future extension to Hollywood) and they just connect the two via a tunnel using the knockout panels that will be built in to the the station when it is done. Good idea, I hope this is what they do, rather than having two unconnected underground facilities. |
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Post by fissure on Jan 16, 2016 16:08:34 GMT -8
Weren't the upper tracks at Metro Center essentially punched through the mezzanine after construction had already started? I wonder how practical that would be for bored (as opposed to cut-and-cover) tunnels. It might be too shallow for TBMs, and twin bored tunnels usually mean island platform instead of side platforms.
I really doubt that they wouldn't connect the stations directly, it's just that without planning ahead the Crenshaw tracks could have to go underneath, which means spending lots of money digging really deep for the station.
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Post by culvercitylocke on Feb 4, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -8
The building next to the petersen museum at Wilshire Fairfax is demolished and buildings are going down at Wilshire LA Brea as well.
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