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Post by Gokhan on Mar 13, 2014 11:11:59 GMT -8
It looks like the foundation of the Washington/National SE-corner TOD is three-stories deep, meaning three-level underground parking:
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 10, 2014 9:54:56 GMT -8
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 24, 2014 10:15:50 GMT -8
As of today:
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Post by culvercitylocke on May 1, 2014 7:17:41 GMT -8
looks like West Adams is the new Mt. Washington: www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-property-report-20140501,0,6994180,full.story#axzz30Tb1vM41 I'll admit, we might be part of this wave of gentrification. Mt. Washington is more or less 100% flipped and out of reach now, but West Adams is closer to where we want to be and it's still affordable, considering it's still sub 500s.
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Post by bzcat on May 1, 2014 8:53:37 GMT -8
You need an account to read it if you are not a subscriber to the print edition. I read it this morning and I thought was interesting since I know few people that just purchased homes in the area and they all cite Expo line as one of the reason they choose to live in West Adams.
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Post by metrocenter on May 14, 2014 11:49:05 GMT -8
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Post by bzcat on May 15, 2014 9:45:26 GMT -8
20 years from now, people in Santa Monica are going to bemoan this missed opportunity to reorient the development path in midtown from cars to transit. The irony of the no-growth NIMBY objection of this project (the self-contradictory twofer of not enough parking AND too many car trips!) will come back to haunt them when this parcel is inevitably redeveloped with lots more cars trips and no TOD elements.
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Post by Gokhan on May 15, 2014 9:59:18 GMT -8
Yup, it's ironic when people complain about too many cars and then they themselves drive to everywhere, especially to other people's neighborhoods.
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Post by Gokhan on May 15, 2014 10:00:55 GMT -8
Progress on the Washington/National TOD:
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Post by f ron on May 15, 2014 11:17:08 GMT -8
20 years from now, people in Santa Monica are going to bemoan this missed opportunity to reorient the development path in midtown from cars to transit. The irony of the no-growth NIMBY objection of this project (the self-contradictory twofer of not enough parking AND too many car trips!) will come back to haunt them when this parcel is inevitably redeveloped with lots more cars trips and no TOD elements. What makes you think this project will be inevitably redeveloped with no TOD elements?
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Post by darrell on May 15, 2014 13:56:20 GMT -8
20 years from now, people in Santa Monica are going to bemoan this missed opportunity to reorient the development path in midtown from cars to transit. The irony of the no-growth NIMBY objection of this project (the self-contradictory twofer of not enough parking AND too many car trips!) will come back to haunt them when this parcel is inevitably redeveloped with lots more cars trips and no TOD elements. What makes you think this project will be inevitably redeveloped with no TOD elements? Issues for the Papermate site are kind of like the Casden project at Expo and Sepulveda (although Casden was more about too much auto-oriented retail). Specific objections to the project included: * 7,000 new daily car trips * Violates Bergamot Area Plan (newly-adopted TOD-focused neighborhood plan) and recent city-wide Land Use and Circulation Element * Too much office vs. residential space (Santa Monica is jobs-rich and housing-poor), and the office part could be built first and without subsequent residential
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Post by bzcat on May 15, 2014 15:15:53 GMT -8
20 years from now, people in Santa Monica are going to bemoan this missed opportunity to reorient the development path in midtown from cars to transit. The irony of the no-growth NIMBY objection of this project (the self-contradictory twofer of not enough parking AND too many car trips!) will come back to haunt them when this parcel is inevitably redeveloped with lots more cars trips and no TOD elements. What makes you think this project will be inevitably redeveloped with no TOD elements? It's apparent the main objection is number of car trips so that's why a large scale project like this (which adds a large number of car trips at once) is doomed to fail when the NIMBY with political power is especially obsessed with car traffic. So the developer will now surely sell the land and it will become many different developments. However, the size of the project was the leverage that Santa Monica had to demand certain TOD concessions. Like bike facilities, green space, pedestrian amenities, and centrally controlled parking. Smaller piecemeal development with lower car trip additions will be easier to get through under the radar. But without a concerted TOD planning, they will just be random projects near the train station. Parking will be scattered all over the place and we won't likely get the kind of pedestrian environment from a single project. If you add up all the car trips and parking of piecemeal developments, the end result will be (and I can guaranteed that) there will be net addition of parking and car trips vs. the project as currently proposed. That's the irony I was trying to point out.
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Post by f ron on May 15, 2014 15:27:25 GMT -8
What makes you think this project will be inevitably redeveloped with no TOD elements? It's apparent the main objection is number of car trips so that's why a large scale project like this (which adds a large number of car trips at once) is doomed to fail when the NIMBY with political power is especially obsessed with car traffic. But smaller piecemeal development with lower car trip additions will get through under the radar but without a concerted TOD planning, they will just be random projects near the train station. But if you add up all the car trips of piecemeal development, the end result will be (and I can guaranteed that) there will be net addition of car trips vs. the project as currently proposed. It's entirely possible that it could go piecemeal and, perhaps, even less efficiently though it's yet to play out but that's beside the point. You inititially said whatever would replace this would have no TOD elements but it seems now you meant concerted TOD planning. Again, we'll see. There's a lot of eyeballs on this parcel of land and rightfully so. They've got one good chance to make something useful of it. I liked the Bergamot plan for the most part. Could have done without all the retail. Santa Monica has more than enough of that already.
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Post by bzcat on May 15, 2014 15:30:01 GMT -8
Issues for the Papermate site are kind of like the Casden project at Expo and Sepulveda (although Casden was more about too much auto-oriented retail). Specific objections to the project included: * 7,000 new daily car trips * Violates Bergamot Area Plan (newly-adopted TOD-focused neighborhood plan) and recent city-wide Land Use and Circulation Element * Too much office vs. residential space (Santa Monica is jobs-rich and housing-poor), and the office part could be built first and without subsequent residential But Santa Monica is able to extract some housing from the developer due to the size and scale of the project. If this now go forward as a dozen smaller projects (which is most likely outcome), each developer will try to maximize his or her economic rent, and that means more office space. I don't foreseen an economic reality where you could get more housing mix by opposing this project. If the office space goes down, that doesn't mean you will get more housing units. It just means the housing will likely be more expensive per unit, if there is any housing at all.
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Post by culvercitylocke on May 15, 2014 16:02:03 GMT -8
yeah, Bergamot will now have more jobs and no housing, meaning it will draw in massively more commuters to it resulting in a lot more car trips than a MU residential focused development would have. Santa Monica has guaranteed themselves more traffic since they're able to repurpose the facilities for more employment as is with no need for permitting.
The best way to reduce traffic in Santa Monica would be to buildmore housing in Santa Monica since then there would be fewer commuters coming into Santa monica.
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Post by darrell on May 15, 2014 16:07:56 GMT -8
Issues for the Papermate site are kind of like the Casden project at Expo and Sepulveda (although Casden was more about too much auto-oriented retail). Specific objections to the project included: * 7,000 new daily car trips * Violates Bergamot Area Plan (newly-adopted TOD-focused neighborhood plan) and recent city-wide Land Use and Circulation Element * Too much office vs. residential space (Santa Monica is jobs-rich and housing-poor), and the office part could be built first and without subsequent residential But Santa Monica is able to extract some housing from the developer due to the size and scale of the project. If this now go forward as a dozen smaller projects (which is most likely outcome), each developer will try to maximize his or her economic rent, and that means more office space. I don't foreseen an economic reality where you could get more housing mix by opposing this project. If the office space goes down, that doesn't mean you will get more housing units. It just means the housing will likely be more expensive per unit, if there is any housing at all. Ironically Casden didn't see a market for commercial on the Westside (conversation with a lead staffer a year ago) and saw profit in residential. Which matches with the very hot housing market. New development - whether in large or smaller parcels - would need to match the Bergamot Area Plan specifications now in effect. The main threat Hines is offering is to reuse the existing Papermate building. But I expect Hines will find it more profitable to come back with a revised new TOD project.
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Post by davebowman on May 15, 2014 16:22:49 GMT -8
I live a few blocks north of Bergamot Station and am all in favor of developing the nearby area. I don't understand the NIMBY logic that providing more local retail and services will increase vehicle traffic rather than reduce it, and regret not making my opinion known before the SM City Council vote (although I'm not sure it would have made any difference). I predict that after Phase 2 opens and people realize the benefit of TOD, the idea of utilizing all of that empty space around Bergamot Station will become self-evident.
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Post by bzcat on May 16, 2014 9:50:41 GMT -8
But Santa Monica is able to extract some housing from the developer due to the size and scale of the project. If this now go forward as a dozen smaller projects (which is most likely outcome), each developer will try to maximize his or her economic rent, and that means more office space. I don't foreseen an economic reality where you could get more housing mix by opposing this project. If the office space goes down, that doesn't mean you will get more housing units. It just means the housing will likely be more expensive per unit, if there is any housing at all. Ironically Casden didn't see a market for commercial on the Westside (conversation with a lead staffer a year ago) and saw profit in residential. Which matches with the very hot housing market. New development - whether in large or smaller parcels - would need to match the Bergamot Area Plan specifications now in effect. The main threat Hines is offering is to reuse the existing Papermate building. But I expect Hines will find it more profitable to come back with a revised new TOD project. Casden didn't have enough room to build enough big square footage office space, which is in high demand on the westside. They went with a highrise residential and retail proposal as the next best alternative because you can go smaller square footage with residential. Bergamot parcel is huge compare to Casden and it had a completely different set of economic opportunities. There is a huge demand for office space in the west side and that's why Bergamot will inventively end up with more office space and less retail and residential.
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Post by Gokhan on May 30, 2014 15:04:43 GMT -8
Washington/National TOD rising fast, lowest-level garage floor being done:
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Post by Gokhan on May 30, 2014 15:09:25 GMT -8
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Post by culvercitylocke on May 30, 2014 17:29:23 GMT -8
Man, the UV going away! I remember when I was a student wondering why USC didn't have better, but for the amount of time I spent there I definitely have enormous fond memories. Can't wait for the new development, it is much needed.
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Post by bzcat on Jun 2, 2014 9:49:20 GMT -8
When I was a student at USC in the 90s, I only went to 32 to buy alcohol. They had a huge selection! I remember the meat section was disgusting - some of the beef have maggots and the fruit section was always infested with flies.
I won't miss the UV... at all.
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Post by transitfan on Jun 3, 2014 7:26:56 GMT -8
Wow, those University Village pics bring back memories! I used to go to the food court often (they had a fairly good pizza place where you could buy by the slice, had a Nathan's (for awhile). Also made many purchases at the Waldenbooks there. Also, there was a record store there (Record Retreat). That was the first place that I bought records after moving to L. A. (until I discovered the Wherehouse and Tower Records!). They gave you a ticket for each record you bought, when you got 10, you'd get a free record (mine was "Brass in pocket" by the Pretenders) I never really shopped at 32nd St Market, as I always lived off campus when I was in school. Glad it is getting a makeover.
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Post by metrocenter on Jun 3, 2014 10:12:06 GMT -8
(This is not really a trackside development, since it's not trackside. But USC is, so I suppose this kinda-sorta counts.)
I visit USC once in awhile, because there are some great resources there for the public (like the USC bookstore). I always thought this shopping center was quite an embarassment, from a design perspective. Kind of like the similar "village" at UCI (one of my alma maters).
Glad to see it go, without any reservations. Looking forward to the replacement, which looks to have a much better design and flow.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 3, 2014 10:41:53 GMT -8
Well, I guess you can't dispute this one as being a trackside development -- as of this morning:
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Post by culvercitylocke on Jun 3, 2014 10:48:23 GMT -8
oh design and architecture wise it was such a lost opportunity. I Love the new renderings of the look they're going for with the mixed use development that is going in. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Trader Joe's in the new UV.
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Post by Gokhan on Jun 23, 2014 8:15:44 GMT -8
Many Expo TODs are simulataneously happening by the Culver city Station, this one is south of the tracks, across the one I've been posting about. The area used to be Hal Roach Studios (Laurel and Hardy movies):
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Jul 3, 2014 14:28:27 GMT -8
LA Expo Line Parking Gone?"BYE BYE FREE Parking. 586 free parking spaces will disappear if the Culver City Council votes to sell the property to Lowes Development for a planned hotel and office and retail complex. The lot is currently full by mid morning with commuter vehicles." todnews.com/2014/07/03/los-angeles-expo-parking-gone/
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Post by Gokhan on Sept 4, 2014 9:23:00 GMT -8
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Post by culvercitylocke on Sept 19, 2014 10:46:52 GMT -8
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