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Post by bzcat on Dec 1, 2010 17:08:32 GMT -8
Ok transit nerds... let's layout our proposals for rerouting and consolidation of bus routes when Expo phase 1 opens.
I guess we can assume it will have phased opening so if you want, you can make you suggestions based on (1) when Expo opens to La Cienega, and/or (2) when Expo reaches Venice/Robertson.
p.s. I know Wad did an write up on this at MetroriderLA before... but that was a while ago. Some of his suggestions are already outdated. Let's start fresh again.
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Post by transitfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:27:10 GMT -8
Well, I'll give it a shot ;D Might be easier to go station by station. I'll leave off 7th St/Metro Center and Pico since those are exisiting Blue Line stations and any bus changes for them were done years ago when the Blue first opened. So... 23rd StThe 603 already serves Flower/23rd directly, and there are many routes (81, 14/37, 38, 55/355, 450X, LADOT 438 & 448, OCTA 710& 721) within 2 blocks, so not sure if any changes need to be made here. Jefferson BlvdThe 38 and 102 serve this directly (MTA would probably put a stop at Jefferson/Flower, if there isn't one already.) Again, the Figueroa buses are a short block away. USC Transportation Services might send a tram to meet the trains (helpful to students going to the north part of the campus, otherwise they can just use Expo Park/USC station). Expo Park/USCDirectly served by 102 and 550 (I think), also some DASH routes (F and another one?). Probably nothing else needed here. Vermont Ave102, 204, 550, 754 (DASH?). Seems good to me. Western Ave102, 207, 550, 757. Not sure about any DASH routes here. Crenshaw BlvdBy now, the 102 is on Coliseum St, a few blocks away. Doubt if MTA would re-route it, especially since the Expo ROW is now close to Jefferson and the 38. Also, 210 and 710. La Brea Ave38, 212. One change I would make, assuming there would be an adequate bus parking area, is to reroute the 102 so it ends at La Brea station, rather than La Brea/Coliseum (the 212 could handle any riders headed there) La Cienega BlvdThis is where a lot of changes would be made. Basically the old "West L. A. Transit Ctr" (a ridiculous name for what was basically a bus parking lot under a freeway) would shift over here. The 38 could be cut back to this point, while the 37, 68, 217 and 534 would be extended from Washington/Fairfax to La Cienega station. Not sure if they would use Fairfax or La Cienega. Also, the Culver City 1 would end here, and possibly the Culver City 5 could be routed by the station. The 105 could end the detour to Washington/Fairfax and run straight on La Cienega (also the 705). If the 439 is still around by the time Expo opens, I wonder if it would get on the 10 at Venice (like back in the day) or continue to get on at Fairfax (going up La Cienega to Venice is a tad out of the way). Culver City (Venice/Robertson)Another big transfer point. You'd have the 33, 733, 220, (if it's still around, but I've given up on counting out the 220 by this time ) also, the LADOT 437, Culver City 1 and 7 (and 5) Oops, I forgot about Farmdale (wishful thinking?) ;D Since this station is primarily to satisfy the worrywarts (and to serve the students of Dorsey HS, I guess), dunno if you need any bus connections. Would be one of those rare rail stations w/o bus service. That's all I can think of, probably a lot of possibilities that I have overlooked.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 8, 2010 11:41:20 GMT -8
I'm mostly familiar with the Westside so I would add the following: La CienegaBBB Super 12 upgraded to Rapid 12 and extend from Venice/Robertson to La Cienega/Jefferson. The rationale is that until Expo goes to Venice/Robertson, there is no direct bus connection to Westwood and Palms. This is going to be a critical connection. Also, upgrade to Rapid status will change to all day service vs. rush hour only. BBB 5 rerouted to La Cinenga/Jefferson instead of Rimpau terminal (Robertson/Cadillac/La Cienega). The rationale is that BBB 5 duplicates BBB 7 between Rimpau and Beverly; and Century City needs a direct bus connection to Expo. This routing also provides a direct ride to Expo from Cadillac Ave, which is curiously under served by bus. Right now, BBB #5 acts as an over flow for #7 during off-peak period (Rapid 7 takes care of over flow during rush hour) so BBB may need to run either more frequencies or bigger buses on #7 to compensate. Culver City #4 upgrade to 20 min headway instead of 1 hour and connect Expo to West La College and the residential parts of Southeast Culver City. Venice/RobertsonBBB Rapid 12 upgrade applies here too Ideally, BBB should have timed arrival to meet Expo trains but I'm guessing that is going to be very difficult to achieve. BBB #12 will need more frequencies on Robertson... I'm going to guess Metro 220 is not long for this world. Further down the road, I would like to see a BBB Rapid 5 terminate at Venice/Robertson to compliment regular #5 which will terminate at La Cinenga. Culver City #1 upgrade to 7 or 8 minute headway instead 15 minutes in order to meet Expo arrivals.
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Post by wad on Dec 9, 2010 5:46:00 GMT -8
BBB Super 12 upgraded to Rapid 12 and extend from Venice/Robertson to La Cienega/Jefferson. I proposed something similar, but you have to remember that a muni Rapid is no better than an ordinary Metro limited-stop line. I'd just call it Rapid just to be consistent with 3 and 7. It's not an upgrade, but a style change. Culver City #4 upgrade to 20 min headway instead of 1 hour and connect Expo to West La College and the residential parts of Southeast Culver City. If you see Line 4's route, you'll see why it hangs on with hourly service. Even the college on the route doesn't help it pop ridership.
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Post by crzwdjk on Dec 9, 2010 12:02:10 GMT -8
Judging by the current service levels on the Blue Line, and the fact that there will likely be a strict 1:1 alternation between Blue and Expo trains on the shared segment, I would assume that the Expo headways would be 6 minutes during the peak, 12 midday and on weekends with some 15 minute headways on weekend mornings, and 20 minutes after 8 pm. Timed transfers would make the most sense in the evening, and possibly middays and weekends. With 6 minute peak headways, I don't think it's really worth trying to coordinate the schedules.
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Post by metrocenter on Dec 9, 2010 14:13:35 GMT -8
remember that a muni Rapid is no better than an ordinary Metro limited-stop line. Are you sure this is true? I have taken the BBB Rapid 3 many times. This bus not only has limited stops but it is express. What I mean by "express" is that, while the departures are regularly scheduled, the buses are free to traverse the route as fast as possible. This is cool because, on days with less traffic, regular buses will sometimes delay at bus stops to stay on schedule, whereas the Rapids will complete the route very quickly.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 9, 2010 17:43:30 GMT -8
Wad's point on my Rapid 12 comment is valid if BBB just change the name from Super 12 and keeps all the existing stops and frequency. It will just be an branding exercise. However, I did suggest going to an all-day 2-way schedule as opposed to rush hour 1-way schedule. That's a significant change.
BBB's Rapid 7 is kind of like a hybrid of 3xx and 7xx Metro bus. It stops less frequently than 3xx but more frequently than the 7xx. But you could argue that the demand on Pico Blvd warrants the more frequent stops than say Santa Monica Blvd.
However, I think BBB's Rapid 3 is a true full Rapids. The stop spacing and express routing (skipping SM Civic Center and Westchester) are consistent with Metro's own Rapids.
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Post by wad on Dec 10, 2010 5:42:24 GMT -8
BBB's Rapid 7 is kind of like a hybrid of 3xx and 7xx Metro bus. It stops less frequently than 3xx but more frequently than the 7xx. But you could argue that the demand on Pico Blvd warrants the more frequent stops than say Santa Monica Blvd. What I have noticed about Rapid 7 is that just about everyone is going to Santa Monica College. From Crackton to Bundy, riders are only boarding. There doesn't seem to be that many people getting out elsewhere. The buses are full. Then it gets to SMC. The buses are then empty into downtown Santa Monica.
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Post by wad on Dec 10, 2010 5:48:37 GMT -8
Wad's point on my Rapid 12 comment is valid if BBB just change the name from Super 12 and keeps all the existing stops and frequency. It will just be an branding exercise. However, I did suggest going to an all-day 2-way schedule as opposed to rush hour 1-way schedule. That's a significant change. I think it's Santa Monica's way of getting students to UCLA fast; that's why there's the single-direction service. I have no idea what the buses do after they arrive in UCLA. It seems to be a great waste just to have single-direction peak runs and then deadhead to the yard. Another idea I had thought of, and this was contingent upon Santa Monica agreeing to take over all of Pico, was to run Rapid 7 and Rapid 12 both along Pico. You'd get all limited-stop service between the Convention Center and Westwood Boulevard, with the routes splitting apart from there. Rapid 7 would continue along Pico, while Rapid 12 would go to UCLA.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 10, 2010 8:12:28 GMT -8
Aside from service enhancements, we will have to see some service cuts unfortunately. I can see Big Blue Bus 10 and the F Dash as 2 popular lines today get the possible axe when Expo Line is running.
The F Dash basically replicates the same route as Expo from downtown to Expo Park. However, Expo Line will get us to the more popular destinations faster and greater service hours. One of the problems with F Dash today is that the service ends between 5 to 6 pm everyday. LADOT should cancel this route and allocate resources to either 1) a Union station - Greyhound - Fashion District - Arts District Dash route or 2) add additional service hours to existing routes, primarily the B and E Dashes.
I take the Big Blue Bus 10 everyday for work. Right now, it can take between 50 minutes to 1.5 hours to run the entire route. It's the best bus in LA to my eyes because it has a much higher on-time %age (for pick up) than other buses. Once Expo to Venice/Robertson opens, I don't see further need of this service. The Big Blue Bus will replicate most of the lost service if adjusted to connect at Venice/Robertson with the Expo Line.
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Post by metrocenter on Dec 10, 2010 8:27:56 GMT -8
Another idea I had thought of, and this was contingent upon Santa Monica agreeing to take over all of Pico, was to run Rapid 7 and Rapid 12 both along Pico. You'd get all limited-stop service between the Convention Center and Westwood Boulevard, with the routes splitting apart from there. Rapid 7 would continue along Pico, while Rapid 12 would go to UCLA. While rerouting BBB 12 would provide a direct UCLA-SMC service, it would be at the expense of an important existing north-south route connecting UCLA to Expo. Besides, the BBB 11 already provides direct service between UCLA and SMC.
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Post by metrocenter on Dec 10, 2010 8:38:28 GMT -8
I take the Big Blue Bus 10 everyday for work. Right now, it can take between 50 minutes to 1.5 hours to run the entire route. It's the best bus in LA to my eyes because it has a much higher on-time %age (for pick up) than other buses. Once Expo to Venice/Robertson opens, I don't see further need of this service. The Big Blue Bus will replicate most of the lost service if adjusted to connect at Venice/Robertson with the Expo Line. When I worked in Downtown Santa Monica, I would take the 10X from time to time. I took it because it was better than every other option getting to Downtown L.A. But it was usually a frustrating experience - waiting for the infrequent buses, and then getting stuck in traffic on the 10 Freeway. I wouldn't be too bummed about the loss of the 10 Express: the Expo Line will be much more frequent and reliable.
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Post by azndevil97 on Dec 10, 2010 9:27:14 GMT -8
I'm not too familiar with the bus routes on the westside, but by any chance, when the Robertson/Venice station is open, could there possibly be a bus service to Century City? I know folks who currently take the blue line to 7th st/Metro station, then take a rapid to Constellation/Ave of the stars. Not sure if it would save anytime, but less time spent on a bus would probably be preferable for lots of people. With the eventual coming of the purple line, probably wouldn't be a long term service, but for now, it will do. If it is feasible that is.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 10, 2010 9:42:25 GMT -8
I'm not too familiar with the bus routes on the westside, but by any chance, when the Robertson/Venice station is open, could there possibly be a bus service to Century City? I know folks who currently take the blue line to 7th st/Metro station, then take a rapid to Constellation/Ave of the stars. Not sure if it would save anytime, but less time spent on a bus would probably be preferable for lots of people. With the eventual coming of the purple line, probably wouldn't be a long term service, but for now, it will do. If it is feasible that is. Big Blue Bus 5. If rerouted from Pico/Rimpau to a terminal at Venice/Robertson, which makes most sense as Pico between Robertson to Rimpau is already well served by Big Blue Bus 7 and Rapid 7.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 10, 2010 11:22:36 GMT -8
Expo to Century City bus feed is going to be very important.
During initial Expo opening to La Cienega, BBB should reroute #5 to La Cienenga/Jefferson instead of Rimpau.
After Expo opens to Venice/Robertson, I think BBB can either change the routing again to terminate at Venice/Robertson, or add a new Rapid 5 service that goes express from Century City to Venice/Robertson via Robertson.
When Phase 2 opens Westwood/Expo, we will have an additional Culver City #3 bus that will connect Expo to Century City.
From Downtown to Century City via 728 Rapid is about 60 minutes in traffic, but that doesn't include the transfer and wait time. If someone is taking the Blue line to Downtown and then onward to Century City, Expo will save a lot of time because rail-to-rail transfer at Metro Center or Pico Station is going to be much easier than the current rail-to-bus transfer that involves a 3 block walk from Metro Center to Olympic to catch the 728 (about 10 minutes), plus wait time. The estimated run time from Downtown to Culver City is around 25 minutes, and assuming BBB#5 is upgraded to less than 10 minutes headway, the entire trip from Pico Station to Century City will probably take about 40~45 minutes vs. 70~80 minutes.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 10, 2010 11:34:45 GMT -8
Wad's point on my Rapid 12 comment is valid if BBB just change the name from Super 12 and keeps all the existing stops and frequency. It will just be an branding exercise. However, I did suggest going to an all-day 2-way schedule as opposed to rush hour 1-way schedule. That's a significant change. I think it's Santa Monica's way of getting students to UCLA fast; that's why there's the single-direction service. I have no idea what the buses do after they arrive in UCLA. It seems to be a great waste just to have single-direction peak runs and then deadhead to the yard. Currently, once the morning Super 12 reaches UCLA, all the high floor MCI buses deadheads back to Venice/Robertson for the next Super 12 schedule while some of the low floor New Flyer or NABI buses turn right on Pico/Westwood and goes on to run as scheduled #4 bus (Sawtelle/VA Hospital). In the evening, I believe once Super 12 reaches Venice/Robertson, they deadhead back to the yard via the 10 freeway.
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Post by wad on Dec 11, 2010 5:44:37 GMT -8
I'm not too familiar with the bus routes on the westside, but by any chance, when the Robertson/Venice station is open, could there possibly be a bus service to Century City? We're certainly pressing for it. In my service suggestions, I have proposed that Big Blue Bus 5 would terminate at an Expo Line station. It would be a local bus, but it would probably take about 15 minutes between the points. Another possibility may be Big Blue Bus 13, which would go through Cheviot Hills. A third may be an extension of Culver CityBus 3 from Century City to Expo Line.
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Post by azndevil97 on Dec 12, 2010 10:14:48 GMT -8
I'm not too familiar with the bus routes on the westside, but by any chance, when the Robertson/Venice station is open, could there possibly be a bus service to Century City? We're certainly pressing for it. In my service suggestions, I have proposed that Big Blue Bus 5 would terminate at an Expo Line station. It would be a local bus, but it would probably take about 15 minutes between the points. Another possibility may be Big Blue Bus 13, which would go through Cheviot Hills. A third may be an extension of Culver CityBus 3 from Century City to Expo Line. Sounds good. When Phase II gets completed, would it make more sense to have a shuttle from the westwood/expo station? I'm thinking it would be a straight shot up Westwood Blvd, then down Pico Blvd. At Pico and Ave of the stars, you could have a stop near the fox studios then make it's way up to Ave of the stars and constellation, which would drop me off right next to my building . Of course some stops along the way as well.
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 12, 2010 15:15:46 GMT -8
Sounds good. When Phase II gets completed, would it make more sense to have a shuttle from the westwood/expo station? I'm thinking it would be a straight shot up Westwood Blvd, then down Pico Blvd. At Pico and Ave of the stars, you could have a stop near the fox studios then make it's way up to Ave of the stars and constellation, which would drop me off right next to my building . Of course some stops along the way as well. I could see direct connections to Century City with Big Blue Bus 5 and Culver City 3 from Venice/Robertson and Westwood stations, respectively. If more service is needed (which I cannot see especially because at a minimum 2 buses will be directly serving Century City with Expo Line connections 7 days a week), then a DASH service between Palms station makes most sense as that would be the closest station to Century City. DASH buses could connect at Palms/National then take Manning and then north on Motor to directly serve Century City. No stops would be needed between Palms station and Pico/Avenue of the Stars. Thereafter, it can just continue north on Avenue of the Stars, go east on Santa Monica boulevard, south on Century Park East, west on Constellation and south on Avenue of the Stars to go back to Palms station. If you have ever taken a bus on Robertson and/or Westwood towards Century City you would know how congested it is. Palms station via Manning/Motor would be the best route for an Expo Line --> Century City connection. Unfortunately, I cannot see that happen when alternatives will exist with Big Blue Bus 5 and Culver City 3.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 13, 2010 11:25:13 GMT -8
We're certainly pressing for it. In my service suggestions, I have proposed that Big Blue Bus 5 would terminate at an Expo Line station. It would be a local bus, but it would probably take about 15 minutes between the points. Another possibility may be Big Blue Bus 13, which would go through Cheviot Hills. A third may be an extension of Culver CityBus 3 from Century City to Expo Line. Sounds good. When Phase II gets completed, would it make more sense to have a shuttle from the westwood/expo station? I'm thinking it would be a straight shot up Westwood Blvd, then down Pico Blvd. At Pico and Ave of the stars, you could have a stop near the fox studios then make it's way up to Ave of the stars and constellation, which would drop me off right next to my building . Of course some stops along the way as well. Just a couple of comments and observations: 1. Shuttle from Westood Expo station to Century City? It will be redundant since Culver City #3 already does this (it stops at Westwood/Expo right now and terminates in Century City). We just need to increase the rush hour frequency to match Expo's arrival frequency. 2. BBB #13 should be re-routed to Venice/Robertson as Wad suggested instead of Rimpau, only if a DASH shuttle is not possible (see #4 below). It operates as a branch of the #7 right now in rush hour one-direction service. When Expo phase 1 opens to Culver City, I think you can upgrade #13 to 2-direction rush hour service that ends at Venice/Robertson. Super 12 will still be the trunk route connecting people to West LA but #13 will be a "neighborhood" service that will mainly focus on serving Cheviot Hill and West of Roberson neighborhood. But instead of terminating at Westside Pavilion, the revised #13 should terminate at Century City Mall - Constellation/Ave of The Stars. 3. Culver City #3 should not be rerouted to Venice/Robertson. It will add too much time to the trip and is a big detour. CC #3 will be more important shuttle route when Expo phase 2 opens as noted in my first observation above. 4. Where a shuttle may make sense is at Palms station @ National. As LAofAnaheim already mentioned, a DASH type service at Palms station would be great. His proposed route is also what I had in mind but I would extend it south a bit to Washinton Blvd to feed the Sony Lot too: Duquesne/Culver (start/turn around) - Madison/Washinton (Sony Lot) - Hughes/Venice - Palms/National (Expo station) - Manning/Motor - Motor/Cheviot - Motor/Monte Mar - Motor/Pico (Fox Lot) - Ave of The Stars/Galaxy (Fox Plaza) - Constellation/Ave of The Stars (Century City Mall) - MGM Drive (end/layover) This is in lieu of #13 reroute... BBB may (and probably will) decide to keep #13 as is - as a branch of #7 terminating in Rimpau. It works better for them that way from a dispatch stand point. They can send 2 buses on Pico east bound as #7 and one of them will return as #13 via Cheviot Hill (and pick up as #7 again at Westside Pavilion).
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 20, 2010 22:05:17 GMT -8
Was on the Big Blue Bus 10 tonight and interestingly the headsign read "Venice/Robertson". Hmmmm....I can't think of any Big Blue Bus currently that terminates at Venice/Robertson. Could I have witnessed the first testing of the new headsign "Venice/Robertson" with a meaning that the Big Blue Bus 10 will be re-routed to serve between Culver City and Santa Monica? Is the final year of service of the Big Blue Bus 10 that served Angelenos to the best of its ability to take passengers between LA and Santa Monica?
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Post by ieko on Dec 20, 2010 22:13:35 GMT -8
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Post by LAofAnaheim on Dec 20, 2010 22:31:16 GMT -8
Interestingly...Metro local 220 has survived the preliminary recommendations to remove service after continuously being targeted for elimination. You think Metro is seeing that Metro 220 has greater potential for ridership once Expo Line opens at Venice/Robertson?
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Post by ieko on Dec 20, 2010 22:38:11 GMT -8
Yes, because it did not get eliminated for that reason with the most recent round of adjustments. I'm not surprised they didn't throw it up there this time, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to try and propose to kill something when it just got saved a few months ago.
I believe they will wait for 6-12 months after the Expo Line has opened to evaluate if they want to try and cut it again.
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Post by joshuanickel on Dec 20, 2010 23:09:18 GMT -8
Was on the Big Blue Bus 10 tonight and interestingly the headsign read "Venice/Robertson". Hmmmm....I can't think of any Big Blue Bus currently that terminates at Venice/Robertson. Could I have witnessed the first testing of the new headsign "Venice/Robertson" with a meaning that the Big Blue Bus 10 will be re-routed to serve between Culver City and Santa Monica? Is the final year of service of the Big Blue Bus 10 that served Angelenos to the best of its ability to take passengers between LA and Santa Monica? They could be doing what metro wants to do with the 534 which is to divert it to the station and then back on the regular route.
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Post by sirrocko711 on Dec 20, 2010 23:52:18 GMT -8
Those changes look good except the 704... losing the connection to downtown/Metrolink and cutting it off in Echo Park seems odd. The change to the 740 makes sense though, as does losing the 757... The problem with the 757 is that Western is too tight a road, there's no room for the rapid to pick up much more momentum (or lack thereof) than the local. I use that line pretty often between Pico Union & Hollywood and while the 207 is noticeably slower, it hardly ever gets leapfrogged by a 757 because the traffic is just too jammed. Sigh.
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Post by bzcat on Dec 21, 2010 9:59:23 GMT -8
Was on the Big Blue Bus 10 tonight and interestingly the headsign read "Venice/Robertson". Hmmmm....I can't think of any Big Blue Bus currently that terminates at Venice/Robertson. Could I have witnessed the first testing of the new headsign "Venice/Robertson" with a meaning that the Big Blue Bus 10 will be re-routed to serve between Culver City and Santa Monica? Is the final year of service of the Big Blue Bus 10 that served Angelenos to the best of its ability to take passengers between LA and Santa Monica? Super 12 currently terminates at Venice/Robertson. The head sign display is probably just broken or the operator forgot to change it. What time did you ride this bus and which direction was it going? It could be that in the evening, once Super 12 reached Venice/Robertson, it hops on the freeway to Downtown to begin the next West bound #10. And if the bus driver forgets to change head sign, it could still read Venice/Robertson. I could see BBB #10 being rerouted from Santa Monica to Venice/Robertson. It makes perfect sense... why go all the way Downtown when Expo will do it faster and be more reliable. BBB can re-allocate those extra buses to beef up #5 and #12.
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Post by redwings105th on Dec 21, 2010 16:28:53 GMT -8
If 757 is going to be cancelled, is there a way to bring LImited Line 357 back? The line was extremely useful and succesful. Why not truncate line 305 or 550 to an expo line station instead of cancelling it or terminating it on a transit center?
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Post by ieko on Dec 22, 2010 2:30:28 GMT -8
If 757 is going to be cancelled, is there a way to bring LImited Line 357 back? The line was extremely useful and succesful. Why not truncate line 305 or 550 to an expo line station instead of cancelling it or terminating it on a transit center? The problem with the 757 as stated in other posts is that there is no significant gain in travel time to justify the service. truncating 550 and cancelling 305 make sense, it makes the Silver Line stronger and allows less duplication of service. I do like the 550 route, but as long as transfers are timed it'll be okay.
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Post by bzcat on Jan 4, 2011 11:38:01 GMT -8
Metro has come out with its Expo line bus service suggestion: www.metro.net/about/service-councils/notice-public-hearing/30/305/550/730 - Select Line 30 trips will be extended north/west from Pico/Rimpau terminal on San Vicente to West Hollywood. - Discontinue Line 305. - Line 550 will operate regular route from San Pedro, terminate at the Artesia Transit Center and be renumbered Line 350. - Discontinue Line 730 service and replace with enhanced Line 30 service and a new Line 330 Limited Stop service. (Not sure what all this has to do with Expo line but I think #30 made a wrong turn... ;D shouldn't it be going south to Expo/La Cienega instead?)42 - Reroute to EXPO Western Station and discontinue service east of Western Av. to downtown LA. (Makes sense)102/200- Discontinue Line 102; extend select Line 200 trips over east Jefferson Bl to Vernon and Santa Fe Avs via route of Line 102. (Makes sense from the perspective that Jefferson west of Vermont is basically identical to the route of current 102)217/439 - Cancel Line 439; extend select Line 217 trips over Line 439 route south of Fairfax/Washington Transit Hub, serving the EXPO La Cienega Station. (Make sense that 439 between Fairfax/Washington and Downtown is better served by Expo from La Cienega. The real question is will there be adequate service between Fox Hills transit center and LAX bus center and Expo line, period)534- Washington/Fairfax - Malibu via Pacific Coast Hwy Modify route to serve the EXPO Culver City Station. (Makes sense)740- Reroute to EXPO Crenshaw Station and discontinue service east of Crenshaw Bl. to downtown LA. (Makes sense)
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