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Post by joshuanickel on Dec 16, 2015 17:38:25 GMT -8
There was a P3010 running along Colorado in Santa Monica yesterday afternoon around 2:00 p.m. I assume it was one of the trains from the blue line yard.
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Post by bobdavis on Dec 23, 2015 23:47:21 GMT -8
Add Metro 1013 to the fleet--I spotted it in the Division 24 (Monrovia) yard today.
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Feb 13, 2016 22:05:16 GMT -8
 Spotted a 3-car KS train putting some miles on the Blue Line route. Posted a video in the Blue Line news thread, they are some relatively quiet trains. |
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Post by bzzzt on Feb 15, 2016 15:41:58 GMT -8
I only wish that the seats were wider....
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Post by bzcat on Feb 16, 2016 12:11:26 GMT -8
Spotted a 3-car KS train putting some miles on the Blue Line route. Posted a video in the Blue Line news thread, they are some relatively quiet trains. Are they in revenue service or just doing test runs? |
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Post by thanks4goingmetro on Feb 16, 2016 12:15:13 GMT -8
The train avoided passengers and the seats were wrapped in blue plastic—it was definitely just a test train. You can see pull in on platform 1 then crossover for another run it in the video.
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Post by Gokhan on Feb 16, 2016 16:41:10 GMT -8
I had my very first sighting of a P3010 this morning, traveling westbound just west of the Palms Station.
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Post by Gokhan on Apr 8, 2016 14:42:05 GMT -8
Metro says, "There is a lot that goes into placing a rail vehicle in service, including the fine-tuning of on-board systems. We would like to get the vehicles in service as soon as possible also."
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Post by bzcat on Apr 11, 2016 15:56:24 GMT -8
Saw 1022 doing a lot of testing over the weekend. Saw it at Culver City twice, at USC once, and at 7th St again.
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Post by Gokhan on May 3, 2016 15:22:33 GMT -8
They have stopped running the P3010 test cars on Expo. Break-in must have been completed.
However, I saw a new car no. 1025 today. Previously, they had car nos. up to 1023. I also saw car no. 1020 later.
It's been taking them really long to put the cars in service. Apparently tuning them up for getting them to work is very difficult.
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Post by TransportationZ on May 3, 2016 15:33:04 GMT -8
They have stopped running the P3010 test cars on Expo. Break-in must have been completed. However, I saw a new car no. 1025 today. Previously, they had car nos. up to 1023. I also saw car no. 1020 later. It's been taking them really long to put the cars in service. Apparently tuning them up for getting them to work is very difficult. Those test trains are annoying. One test train delayed my Expo train so bad it caused a 20 minute delay and I missed my Metrolink train. Really, I wish Metro could get a waiver so they don't have to run as many miles to burn them in. I doubt any issues the cars may have would be of any danger to passengers. Most likely software issues and hardware tuning. Expo really needs the cars, and 2 car trains at 12 minutes are going to be a complete joke on this line. |
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Post by f ron on May 4, 2016 9:05:03 GMT -8
1023 is running empty and solo on the tracks today; FWIW.
Edited to add:
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Post by bzcat on May 5, 2016 10:35:19 GMT -8
1023 is running empty and solo on the tracks today; FWIW. Edited to add: As is 1024 1025 Saw 1024 at Overland crossing this morning  |
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Post by Gokhan on May 5, 2016 13:29:32 GMT -8
expolinefan reports the following.
Car nos. 1017 - 1026 are at Division 14 (Expo Stewart St Yard).
Car nos. 1001, 1002, 1004, 1027, and 1029 are on Blue and Green Lines but will be transferred to Expo Line by the Phase 2 opening.
All fifteen Kinkisharyo P3010 cars will be running as five three-car revenue trains on the Expo Line Phase 2 opening day (12:00 pm [noon], Friday, May 20, 2016).
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Post by masonite on May 5, 2016 13:37:52 GMT -8
expolinefan reports the following. Car nos. 1017 - 1026 are at Division 14 (Expo Stewart St Yard). Car nos. 1001, 1002, 1004, 1027, and 1029 are on Blue and Green Lines but will be transferred to Expo Line by the Phase 2 opening. All fifteen Kinkisharyo P3010 cars will be running as five three-car revenue trains on the Expo Line Phase 2 opening day (12:00 pm [noon], Friday, May 20, 2016). I don't have the math, but it seems like with 15 new cars that they should be able to run at least some 3 car trains during rush hour even with accounting for some sitting out - no? |
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Post by Gokhan on May 5, 2016 14:08:49 GMT -8
Phase 1 required six trains. Phase 2 will require nine running trains plus one gap train = ten trains. In addition, you need some spares. I believe they have at least 18 old cars. With fifteen new cars, you have a total of 33. This is eleven trains, meaning only one spare train. I believe they are required to have at least 20% spare trains, meaning two spare trains for ten trains in operation. So, it's close but I also don't know if P3010s will go back to testing and adjustment after the demonstration in the opening weekend.
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Post by masonite on May 5, 2016 15:34:15 GMT -8
Phase 1 required six trains. Phase 2 will require nine running trains plus one gap train = ten trains. In addition, you need some spares. I believe they have at least 18 old cars. With fifteen new cars, you have a total of 33. This is eleven trains, meaning only one spare train. I believe they are required to have at least 20% spare trains, meaning two spare trains for ten trains in operation. So, it's close but I also don't know if P3010s will go back to testing and adjustment after the demonstration in the opening weekend. Seems odd that they would operate some trains and then send them back for more testing even if they had reached the 2,000 hour break in requirement. Seems at least some of the trains might be 3 car trains at the beginning. I can see why all of them aren't, but it really seems as if they could run at least some 3 car trains from the get go. Maybe they are just tampering down expectations for now. |
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Post by TransportationZ on May 5, 2016 16:52:48 GMT -8
expolinefan reports the following. Car nos. 1017 - 1026 are at Division 14 (Expo Stewart St Yard). Car nos. 1001, 1002, 1004, 1027, and 1029 are on Blue and Green Lines but will be transferred to Expo Line by the Phase 2 opening. All fifteen Kinkisharyo P3010 cars will be running as five three-car revenue trains on the Expo Line Phase 2 opening day (12:00 pm [noon], Friday, May 20, 2016). This leaves me much more hopeful for the opening. I mean, this line's turn out is going to be crushing. There are people as far out as San Bernardino that look forward to opening of this line. That definitely wasn't the case for the foothill extension. The SMC students who crush the big blue bus Rapid 7 are going to crush the Expo Line almost instantaneously, since almost all get on at Wilshire/Western. |
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Post by Gokhan on May 5, 2016 19:56:37 GMT -8
Phase 1 required six trains. Phase 2 will require nine running trains plus one gap train = ten trains. In addition, you need some spares. I believe they have at least 18 old cars. With fifteen new cars, you have a total of 33. This is eleven trains, meaning only one spare train. I believe they are required to have at least 20% spare trains, meaning two spare trains for ten trains in operation. So, it's close but I also don't know if P3010s will go back to testing and adjustment after the demonstration in the opening weekend. Seems odd that they would operate some trains and then send them back for more testing even if they had reached the 2,000 hour break in requirement. Seems at least some of the trains might be 3 car trains at the beginning. I can see why all of them aren't, but it really seems as if they could run at least some 3 car trains from the get go. Maybe they are just tampering down expectations for now. The difficult part isn't the 1,500-mile break-in, which takes less than two weeks, but the tuning of the onboard systems, according to Metro. So, it's a pain to get them working properly and each car needs separate attention. |
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Post by darrell on May 6, 2016 15:41:24 GMT -8
I've ridden P3010s twice on the Gold Line (March 21 and April 13), but haven't seen any at all here lately. Are they all moved to Expo now?
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Post by Gokhan on May 6, 2016 15:49:37 GMT -8
I've ridden P3010s twice on the Gold Line (March 21 and April 13), but haven't seen any at all here lately. Are they all moved to Expo now? Oh, no, they are just sitting in the Monrovia Yard as they are still having trouble getting them to run properly. It's very expensive to send them to Expo Line as there are no rail connectors between the two lines at the moment. Expo only has the car nos. mentioned above -- fifteen of them at the moment. Hopefully soon they will be able to debug them so that they are serviceable. They will run all fifteen of them during the opening weekend reportedly and hopefully they won't go back to the Stewart Street Yard after that. |
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Post by Gokhan on May 22, 2016 13:15:26 GMT -8
Kinkisharyo P3010s are really quiet and smooth riding. You don't feel any shaking or noise, other than the A/C noise. (I don't know why it's so hard to make quieter A/C in this modern day.) My only complaints are wide window pillars and lack of a large window through the operator cab. I also didn't notice any ATP or braking problems with them as in the Siemens P2000s.
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Post by bluelineshawn on May 22, 2016 16:50:06 GMT -8
Kinkisharyo P3010s are really quiet and smooth riding. You don't feel any shaking or noise, other than the A/C noise. (I don't know why it's so hard to make quieter A/C in this modern day.) My only complaints are wide window pillars and lack of a large window through the operator cab. I also didn't notice any ATP or braking problems with them as in the Siemens P2000s. I finally got a chance to ride a new car yesterday and thought that it was fantastic! I only rode it between 7th/metro and Pico but even in that short time I noticed how quiet the A/C was, how smooth it rode and how nicely the seating was configured. I also hadn't realized that they had electronic screens showing the destination and upcoming stops. I had felt like Metro missed the boat on this technology but they didn't. And although the screen locations aren't great, at least they're there. A song as they are reliable these will be the cars we see for the next 25 years. |
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Post by Gokhan on May 22, 2016 19:48:11 GMT -8
Yes, I should also add that the seats are a significant improvement from the other LRVs -- more cushioning, wider, and more leg space.
Screens are always nice to have, albeit somewhat poor placement.
They also have automatic passenger counters.
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Post by mattapoisett on May 22, 2016 21:49:39 GMT -8
Kinkisharyo P3010s are really quiet and smooth riding. You don't feel any shaking or noise, other than the A/C noise. (I don't know why it's so hard to make quieter A/C in this modern day.) My only complaints are wide window pillars and lack of a large window through the operator cab. I also didn't notice any ATP or braking problems with them as in the Siemens P2000s. I finally got a chance to ride a new car yesterday and thought that it was fantastic! I only rode it between 7th/metro and Pico but even in that short time I noticed how quiet the A/C was, how smooth it rode and how nicely the seating was configured. I also hadn't realized that they had electronic screens showing the destination and upcoming stops. I had felt like Metro missed the boat on this technology but they didn't. And although the screen locations aren't great, at least they're there. A song as they are reliable these will be the cars we see for the next 25 years. I was on Car 1016 this evening, heading to DTLA from Western. The A/C was straining hard. The car was muggy with a slight mold smell. The emergency call button was activated and was beeping every few seconds. I guess there are still bugs to work out. Also for some reason there was a Metro ? (driver) the the cab located at the back of the first car, facing the second car. There was a driver in the front of the train as normal. |
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Post by Gokhan on May 23, 2016 13:57:27 GMT -8
They don't seem to run the A/C very cold but perhaps this is a good thing. It's mostly an American thing to run the A/C in the coldest setting, which many find uncomfortable. Everywhere else in the world, they tend to be a lot more conservative and some places have no A/C at all. I doubt there is mold. Emergency button is only activated when someone presses it.
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Post by bzcat on May 23, 2016 14:44:32 GMT -8
I was on car 1003 on Saturday and I think that car needs some additional testing/adjustments. First, the brakes were very jerky... although that may be due to driver error. Second, the station announcements were incorrect. The car will announce that we are arriving at XXX station just as we were pulling out of the station. Does anyone know if the station announcements are GPS based? If so, the GPS unit probably need to be calibrated.
Now the positives... the new cars feels wider. I don't know if this is true but it certainly feels more spacious. The padded seats are also nice although I don't know how they will stand up in the long run. The AC is super quiet and everything just looks and feels like they were made with quality materials.
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Post by Gokhan on May 25, 2016 14:35:30 GMT -8
First, the brakes were very jerky... You are right that the braking and ATP behavior on Kinkisharyo P3010s is pretty disappointing. They are not as bad as Siemens P2000s but they are nowhere as smooth as Nippon Sharyo P865s when it comes to automatic ATP braking and probably driver braking as well. So, the 1980s drive technology was far better than the 2010s technology. However, the seats are a lot more comfortable on the P3010s -- wider, curved, and more cushioned. Along with their whisper-quite cabin, I think I prefer them despite the jerky drive. I doubt the jerky drive is something that is fixable. |
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Post by f ron on May 25, 2016 16:26:58 GMT -8
It's interesting that you should say that about the 'whisper quiet'. I agree! They're amazingly so --yet I don't find that's true when they travel in three-car sets. Something about the additional car seems to shift their whole noise profile.
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Post by darrell on May 26, 2016 10:59:23 GMT -8
Kinkisharyo has updated their website of Los Angeles lines using their LRVs to (finally) include Los Angeles. Download the Technical Data PDF for high-resolution drawings of the car in particular (H/T Elson). |
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