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Post by Gokhan on Oct 2, 2014 11:12:08 GMT -8
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Post by metrocenter on Oct 2, 2014 12:44:40 GMT -8
Re: the windows between the doors, I'm curious how their total area on the new LRVs compare to the windows on the P865s. They look longer. Could be that the windows allow more visibility, due to the fact that one of the window "dividers" has been removed.
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Post by joshuanickel on Oct 2, 2014 15:29:03 GMT -8
Re: the windows between the doors, I'm curious how their total area on the new LRVs compare to the windows on the P865s. They look longer. Could be that the windows allow more visibility, due to the fact that one of the window "dividers" has been removed. The windows to me do appear wider on the P3010 than the P865. Which means that they might have the same window area. |
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Post by roadtrainer on Oct 2, 2014 16:36:51 GMT -8
 )Am I seeing things< that the assemblers are all Japanese? 
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Post by joshuanickel on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:05 GMT -8
)Am I seeing things< that the assemblers are all Japanese? They were probably sent over from the headquarters in Japan to do the final assembly for the pilot cars since Kinkisharyo does not have the facility fully up and running yet. |
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Post by tramfan on Oct 8, 2014 12:18:28 GMT -8
Re: the windows between the doors, I'm curious how their total area on the new LRVs compare to the windows on the P865s. They look longer. Could be that the windows allow more visibility, due to the fact that one of the window "dividers" has been removed. The windows to me do appear wider on the P3010 than the P865. Which means that they might have the same window area. The windows are pretty much the same as in the Siemens and Ansaldo Breda's cars. |
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Post by TransportationZ on Oct 8, 2014 12:33:21 GMT -8
Love the design of the P3010, not that big a fan of the yellow. "I like it" vote for me.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 9, 2014 9:19:12 GMT -8
The first P3010 light-rail car will be brought to the Green Line yard near Aviation and Rosecrans at about 1:00 am Monday morning (Sunday night) on October 13. It was postponed from tonight.
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Post by gatewaygent on Oct 9, 2014 17:37:29 GMT -8
I'll be alone in this sentiment, but I'd like a rail car like those of the Pacific Electric era where part was exposed to the elements and part was enclosed. That's probably a little too much nostalgia for this day and age though. Yes, I know there's too much risk of kids trying to jump from one car onto the on-coming car on the other track, but still, I think it would be neat.
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Post by bobdavis on Oct 10, 2014 0:48:31 GMT -8
Regarding cars with open-air sections: Orange Empire has some Los Angeles Ry. cars with open-air ends. There's also the San Pedro Waterfront Red Car Line that uses replicas of PE 500-class cars. Running open air section cars on the Gold Line, where speeds can reach 55 mph is probably not a good idea.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 13, 2014 9:27:42 GMT -8
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Post by usmc1401 on Oct 13, 2014 10:44:11 GMT -8
A couple of questions. When will the next car arrive @ 22. When will they take it out for the first test.
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Post by roadtrainer on Oct 13, 2014 10:55:07 GMT -8
How many people there were not Metro Employees??
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Post by skater on Oct 13, 2014 10:56:59 GMT -8
question about this picture - the siemens and P3010 are coupled together! it is not possible to operate a train that uses multiple types of railcars though, right ...  |
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Post by roadtrainer on Oct 13, 2014 10:59:24 GMT -8
Was the P3010 being towed around the Yard? and when will it be under its own power?
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Post by bobdavis on Oct 13, 2014 12:27:42 GMT -8
  Wow! Thanks for posting the photos of the unloading process. Reminds me of an early morning in August 2003 watching Siemens LRV 238 being unloaded in South Pasadena. And that one photo of the workers making sure the ramp rail is properly aligned looked like they're bowing down to the Traction God. Seeing a new car with the road number 1001 brought these predecessors to mind. San Diego Trolley 1001 has been preserved by the SDMTS as an historic treasure. Pacific Electric 1001 runs on special occasions at Orange Empire Ry. Museum. |
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 13, 2014 12:48:55 GMT -8
P3010 car no. 1001 is not ready to be a museum piece yet. It's interesting that they skip the 0 (1000 in this case). That was a dead tow. Different cars can be mechanically coupled but usually won't fully function together; so, I never see a Nippon Sharyo coupled with a Siemens etc. I expect the testing to start as soon as they figure out how to drive it. Car no. 1002 delivery date was in December. We will see about five cars arriving every month starting in the spring. |
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 13, 2014 12:53:36 GMT -8
Right now, the poll rating here is standing at 3.4/5.0, 3 being fair, 4 being good, and 5 being excellent.
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Post by Transit Coalition on Oct 13, 2014 15:28:18 GMT -8
Labor Dispute Kills Kinkisharyo’s AV Plant
By MARK MADLER
San Fernando Valley Business Journal
Monday, October 13, 2014
Kinkisharyo International LLC has scrapped plans to build a rail car manufacturing plant in Palmdale following a labor dispute and will instead look outside California to locate the facility.
The Japanese company made the decision after failing to reach an agreement with Antelope Valley Residents for Responsible Development, a labor-supported group that objected to the plant citing environmental reasons.
The group, which includes members of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local No. 11, in Pasadena, also objected to a backup plan by Kinkisharyo to build the cars in leased space from Los Angeles World Airports in Palmdale.
The company is currently leasing hangar space from LAWA at Site 9 at East Avenue P where it is assembling rail cars for Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, or Metro. The assembly procedure involves connecting the chassis and shell and then installing seats and other interior improvements. The plant work would be more extensive, including manufacturing of the shells.
The appeal that has disrupted plans for the plant came about after IBEW Local No. 11 and Kinkisharyo could not agree on using card check at the proposed facility. Card check is a process by which a workplace can unionize if 50 percent or more of workers sign cards stating they want to be represented for collective bargaining.
“It is regrettable that Kinkisharyo has been pushed down this path, but given your clients’ intransigence, Kinkisharyo must now do so to meet its schedule requirements,” stated an Oct. 10 letter from the company’s lawyer to attorneys for the residents’ group.
Kinkisharyo, the El Segundo-based U.S. arm of Kinki Sharyo Co. Ltd. of Osaka, is currently assembling 78 light rail cars for Metro with delivery of the first car expected this month. The company has exercised an option to build an additional 97 cars.
Metro Chief Executive Art Leahy was notified by email on Friday of the company’s plans not to proceed with the Palmdale plant.
Agency spokesman Marc Littman said he was disappointed by the company’s decision but added it would not affect the delivery of Metro’s cars.
“This is a real loss,” Littman said. “We wanted them here to help the local economy but we cannot require Kinkisharyo do (manufacturing) here.”
The company had plans for a $50 million, 400,000-square-foot facility to be built on vacant land on Avenue M near Sierra Highway.
The labor-supported residents' group appealed an August decision by the Palmdale Planning Commission that recommended approval of the plant’s site plan without requiring a new environmental report. The commission’s decision was based on reports completed in 1993 and 1996 for a planned office park on the site.
Attempts to reach representatives of the union were not successful.
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Post by bzcat on Oct 13, 2014 16:43:53 GMT -8
Another clear example of abuse of our environmental review process. IBEW clearly had no environmental objection, they just wanted to organize the workers.
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Post by usmc1401 on Oct 13, 2014 20:15:38 GMT -8
Well will it be Arizona, Nevada or Texas as the site for the new plant. Also why is it that LRV's will not MU between different manufacturers. Weren't theses problems ironed out over one hundred years ago.
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Post by jdrcrasher on Oct 13, 2014 20:51:14 GMT -8
I'm getting real sick and tired of this cockamamie abuse of well-intentioned environmental laws, whether it's by homeowner associations or labor groups. The travesty has really has gotten THAT bad.
At this point the level of abuse has gotten so absurdly high in California that i'd go so far as to say it's better to scrap both CEQA AND the EIR process IMMEDIATELY (no environmental regulations in California whatsoever), and THEN start working on brand new laws that replace them; as opposed to waiting until these new regulations are fully crafted and thereafter abolishing CEQA and the EIR.
At this rate, we'll be in the next economic downturn by the time more efficient replacements are even installed in place.
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Post by joshuanickel on Oct 14, 2014 7:59:00 GMT -8
Was the P3010 being towed around the Yard? and when will it be under its own power? Info from Expolinefan: One of the first test will be extending the Panograph and performing power load tests, next will to run around the yard and test the Drive Motors and breaking, After all this then it should start tests out on the green line main line |
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 14, 2014 10:11:38 GMT -8
Regarding windows, I noticed that the Siemens P2000 and Breda 2550 cars also have two windows. So, perhaps the window length on P3010s is comparable to the Nippon Sharyo P865 cars with three windows.
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 14, 2014 10:29:03 GMT -8
Note that the first batch of 78 cars are being made in Japan and only the final phase of the assembly is being done in Palmdale at a temporary plant. Therefore, the opening of the Expo and Gold Lines will not be affected.
Yes, there are too many people with too many voices in LA, and with anything, there is always someone who will oppose to it for some personal reason. This is not just regarding infrastructure. A judge even ruled that an EIR is necessary for the city's planned trap - neuter - release program in association with the proposed no-kill program because bird fanatics objected to it.
This is really bad for local jobs and economy. With the housing prices and rent gone beyond insanity and political fights abusing CEQA, it will just be too expensive for many companies to stay and do business in LA.
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Post by tramfan on Oct 14, 2014 12:04:02 GMT -8
Regarding windows, I noticed that the Siemens P2000 and Breda 2550 cars also have two windows. So, perhaps the window length on P3010s is comparable to the Nippon Sharyo P865 cars with three windows. I already noted that on my october 8 posting; don't you read the forum you created? |
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Post by Gokhan on Oct 14, 2014 13:43:28 GMT -8
Regarding windows, I noticed that the Siemens P2000 and Breda 2550 cars also have two windows. So, perhaps the window length on P3010s is comparable to the Nippon Sharyo P865 cars with three windows. I already noted that on my october 8 posting; don't you read the forum you created? No one is obliged to read the forum they created and in fact no one is obliged to do anything on an Internet forum. With this disclaimer, yes, I had read your comment, which made no mention to the number of windows on Siemens and Breda cars: The windows are pretty much the same as in the Siemens and Ansaldo Breda's cars. So, I still thought that all cars had three windows and you were mainly referring to the sizes of the windows when you said windows were pretty much the same. |
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Post by bobdavis on Oct 14, 2014 14:26:40 GMT -8
Regarding the apparent cancellation of the LRV plant in Palmdale. I was distressed by the role of IBEW Local 11 in the case. I am a retired member of Local 47 (mostly So. Calif. Edison employees) and, although there's probably more to the story than has been published, cannot be proud of my brothers and sisters in Local 11. One can imagine Kinki Sharyo saying "the heck with LA County--we'll build a plant next to the Tesla battery factory in Nevada."
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Post by tramfan on Oct 15, 2014 13:46:05 GMT -8
I already noted that on my october 8 posting; don't you read the forum you created? No one is obliged to read the forum they created and in fact no one is obliged to do anything on an Internet forum. With this disclaimer, yes, I had read your comment, which made no mention to the number of windows on Siemens and Breda cars: The windows are pretty much the same as in the Siemens and Ansaldo Breda's cars. So, I still thought that all cars had three windows and you were mainly referring to the sizes of the windows when you said windows were pretty much the same. |
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Post by tramfan on Oct 15, 2014 13:48:08 GMT -8
I already noted that on my october 8 posting; don't you read the forum you created? No one is obliged to read the forum they created and in fact no one is obliged to do anything on an Internet forum. With this disclaimer, yes, I had read your comment, which made no mention to the number of windows on Siemens and Breda cars: The windows are pretty much the same as in the Siemens and Ansaldo Breda's cars. So, I still thought that all cars had three windows and you were mainly referring to the sizes of the windows when you said windows were pretty much the same. Sorry, didn't know you were that easily offended; Just new member inexperience I guess... |
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)Am I seeing things< that the assemblers are all Japanese? 
